Other liveries "borrowed" my lorry. Bit annoyed !

ROMANY 1959 said:
Ok. Took all on board. We are all having a meeting tomorrow . YO was not there that weekend, that I have been assured of, and she has a set of keys cos sometimes has to move my lorry to get others ones out.
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If YO was not there that weekend then as Tiffany said, how did they get the keys?

ROMANY 1959 said:
I have spoke to YO and she assumed they had spoke to me themselves or she would never have given them the key. YO very sorry about it,
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This reads as if YO gave them the key...? :confused:

ROMANY 1959 said:
those of you with the balls!! Don't know what it can be like to be a wimp.
I never wished this post to go viral.
Thanks for comments .
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A lot of us with the balls have been wimps in the past and have had to learn to have the balls the hard way :o I know that you know you need to grow them very quickly before tomorrow. I hope it goes well and that you are able to put across that you are very annoyed without apologising or backing down. I think as long as you remember that you are absolutely within your rights and they are absolutely in the wrong no matter what story is told, you won't go far wrong. Best of luck for tomorrow, please let us know how it goes :)
 
Gingerwitch said:
Look - hit em with the snow shovel - would make you feel much better - if they phone the police to report you for hitting them with the snow shovel, then their TWOC will come out and they will be in even more trouble than you - so they wont phone the police, therefore hit them with the snow shovel twice :D:D:D
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Our snow shovel would be no good, it's plastic, I would go with the spade, which is heavy and has an edge :D
 
As other members have said there is a clear case of Unlawful taking of a Motor Vehicle. Additionally, wether your insurance covers them to drive or not, there is the offence of using the lorry without insurance as they drove the lorry without your permission & the lorry would not be insured. The No Insurance offence is for both of them & this is what is called 'An Absolute Offence' so both are guilty of this. It is up to them to prove they had insurance in law & they can never do this as the vehicle had been taken without consent & thus could not be insured.

The story that each believed that the other had got permission from you is absolute rubbish & would never be accepted in court. I wouldn't give this issue another thought, I would report it straight to the police & let them accept the consequences of their actions. You say they are nice ladies, well they are not, they are walking all over you to do this & showing you no respect at all. Don't let them get away with this.
 
YorksG said:
Our snow shovel would be no good, it's plastic, I would go with the spade, which is heavy and has an edge :D
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Arh but the beauty of the snow shovel is the speed in which you can connect with !

and it makes a wonderful wooshhhhhh and then the smack of plastic on skin......

it truely is a sound to behold!
 
YorksG said:
There is also another interesting point here, you are now aware that these women committed an offence, and it was joint enterprise, so doesn't matter which one drove. How do you know that they didn't run someone over with your lorry? I think you are going to have to report this to the police, as you now know about it, as otherwise how are you going to deal with any other offences they may have committed, as you were out of the country and presumably can proove this. What a mess these two 'nice' women have made!
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Agree with this...these two women could have been caught on camera speeding, running a light, they may have been reported for driving erratically and the first you'll know of it is when the letter drops through your door advising you of your fine or court date!
I would contact the police and tell them what's happened, they can then log that you weren't around at the time and also have words with the two women explaining exactly how many laws they have broken.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Look - hit em with the snow shovel - would make you feel much better - if they phone the police to report you for hitting them with the snow shovel, then their TWOC will come out and they will be in even more trouble than you - so they wont phone the police, therefore hit them with the snow shovel twice :D:D:D
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Whilst this made me LOL, it is quite hard to hit someone with a snow shovel as it has it is light, and has a large flat area. This causes a lot of wind resistance. Thus for lamping a regular spade is far more effective!

**Purely speaking physics and have not tested the merits of either a spade or a snow shovel as a battering implement (no one has ever 'borrowed' my lorry)!**
 
But its the suprise effect of the snow shovel that leads to greater use by me.... no one quite expects to be socked with a snow shovel.... a brush yes - but the head usually breaks off on inpact so is difficult for the 2nd blow.... spade/shovel..... could kill or maime - more of a warning given to the lorry borrower.... snow shovel.... innocent looking object..... :D:D
 
If it were me and I hate confrontation, I'd call the police now explaining the situation. Then tomorrow morning when you have your meeting you can inform them that as they have broken several laws and have waited so long before they told you the police have been informed and it is now a police matter, you want no more to do with them, they are not to touch any of your stuff no matter how small and that you look forward to seeing them in court.

No arguing, no appologies from you and no listening to their excuses. Do it before they make you change your mind.

I got to the point where my horse was hurt before I grew a pair and if I can do it so can you.

ETA my weapon of choice would be a shot gun :D
 
dafthoss said:
If it were me and I hate confrontation, I'd call the police now

ETA my weapon of choice would be a shot gun :D
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Urm shotgun.... bit messy if your a decent shot... to much clearing up to do...... and the 2nd one may freak before you get a 2nd shot off.....

snow shovel.... well you were just batting of a fly weren't you ? :D
 
Nice people my arse, they have commited a crime even by saying that you'll scare the wits out of them. This is taking without owners consent. Doesn't matter if they said that they said you could the YO should of checked with you first as there is insurance cover etc......Geeeee I would charge them for fuel, everything!!! I would of even of taken a trip to the YO and told her to tell them 'nice ladies' to leave and never come back.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Urm shotgun.... bit messy if your a decent shot... to much clearing up to do...... and the 2nd one may freak before you get a 2nd shot off.....

snow shovel.... well you were just batting of a fly weren't you ? :D
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Nahh get them lined up and you can get them both with one shot I recon :p and you could get the second one whilst they run without having to move, a snow shovel would involve running after the second one.


Sorry was an accident.... I didnt realise it was loaded just like they didnt realise they didnt have permission to take my lorry. Or I thought they were dogs annoying my live stock... then I realised they were just b!!tiches :D
 
Gingerwitch said:
Urm shotgun.... bit messy if your a decent shot... to much clearing up to do...... and the 2nd one may freak before you get a 2nd shot off.....

snow shovel.... well you were just batting of a fly weren't you ? :D
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Bit of a problem there, snow and flies don't tend to be around at the same time, so could be a bit tricky to use that as a defence :D
 
YorksG, I used to think that too, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a nature documentary where there was a fly that could live in snow. Although from a defence point of view, that might not help, because I don't remember which country they were filming in, so maybe you need to be in Russia or something for the excuse to work.




ROMANY 1959, putting together a possible scenario from the other replies, what if you had loaded your horse on your lorry tomorrow, drove off and a tyre blew due to them having bumped into something with that tyre when they used it without your permission, and you and your horse had been injured, how would you have felt then?
Enough upset to realise that a woman doesn't need any balls, we have a p*ssy, ;) a snow shovel and if that fails, we know how to use our claws.


 
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OP i agree wirh all that has been said, so wont repeat it all yet again, however, ask yourself this... if these nice ladies needed their horse collecting and weren't able to sort transport, why couldn't they have waited a day or two until you were back off holiday to ask you properly?

Even if you generally have believed them to be reasonable people up to now, if they can't even afford their own wheelbarrow would they really have been able to get their hands on £10,000 or whatever is the full value of your box to buy you a replacement one immediately if they had crashed it, because it doesn't look to me like any insurance company would have paid out!!! No, I thought not! You would have been sorely inconvenienced and no doubt out of pocket by some or all of the value, and left without transport whilst it all got sorted.

They have behaved completely out of order with complete disregard for yourself, and they need to be told this in no uncertain terms.

They should have approached you as soon as you returned to thank you if either of them thought they had your permission, and the fact that they didn't do that suggests to me they hoped they'd got away with it and we're planning on staying quiet!

They are not your friends, by their own actions they don't deserve to be treated nicely, they are nothing short of lying scum.
 
Oh dear op - missed this thread last night but just caught up. I'm not very confrontational either, anything for an easy life, but in your meeting tomorrow I would definitely be saying that you will be forced to inform the police for reasons others have mentioned - weather you do or not is obviously up to you but its a good threat if nothing else.
It's been five days and you've only just found out - they had no intention of ever telling you about this. Tell them how upset you are - upset is better than angry when you're a worry bum...good luck :-)
 
Disgusting behaviour! How dare they!!!!!!! Quite right to be livid!!!

I had a similar thing once when another livery told YO I had given her permission to hack my horse (I hadn't!) - lets just say we did fall out about if!
 
Well what a bloomjng cheek. I really empathise with you, Op, as I hate confrontation. But you don't have a choice. Please remember that is their actions that led to you taking whatever action you take.
I di think yiu need to get lorry checked over, and they need to pay the bill.
Yes to Police also.
And my vote would be fir snow shovel. But if you only have one of those plastic ones then it won't be heavy enough, you need something good and solid.
Although it does occur to me that if OP does in fact bash these two ladies. Let's hope the Police don't see this forum. Conspiracy to murder and all that ....!!
 
YorksG said:
Our snow shovel would be no good, it's plastic, I would go with the spade, which is heavy and has an edge :D
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Just go the whole hog and drop the lorry ramp on their heads!!!

Seriously tho OP I think you must report this to the police to cover your own back. You don't have to pursue them legally but definitely needs reported.
 
OP - take a deep breath - you don't need to get angry or nasty with them but you DO need to tell them how upset you were about this - how you have lost sleep and got very stressed. Tell them that you do not want to make hard feeling but at least a text message would have been good (even after the event!). I would be more worried about the fact that seemingly they all tried to cover it up - when were they going to tell you?

Anyway, word of advice - you could make this work in your favour. How much fuel is left in the lorry compared to when you left it? Ask them to fill it up again and so more said - that way you get a full tank, they got very cheap transport in an emergency and no harm was actually done. Hey presto you will have a couple of outings when the weather gets nice on them!!

Oh and make sure the YO is fully aware of how badly she behaved - yet again you do not have to go in all shouty in fact playing the "I was so upset" card is actually far more effective!!

Best of luck x
 
Im not agreeing with what these girls did. It was hardly an urgent trip that couldn't take the time to make an appointment with the local transporter however i have borrowed a trailer myself without permission.
My neighbour (field) was letting me use it to take magic to and from the vet, everytime id ask a week in advance, and she said it was fine, id also pick up some chocolate and a bottle of wine on the return trip for her.
Anyway one day magic got a nosebleed, i called the vet, she asked the usually 'has he rolled, hit his head ect' but he hadn't i had been standing next to him and it had just happened, she said after 20 mins if it hadnt stopped we had a problem. She asked me to come in. The vets box was out so i had no choice, i called and called my neighbour, went to her house everything but no one was home, i started freaking out when her son came home, i explained, he threw the keys and my and said go go! Thankfully we made the trip, magic was admitted and y neighbour said it was the right thing to do.
Needless to say she was inundated with wine, chocolate and favours for a long time after!!
 
Jessi&Magic said:
Im not agreeing with what these girls did. It was hardly an urgent trip that couldn't take the time to make an appointment with the local transporter however i have borrowed a trailer myself without permission.
My neighbour (field) was letting me use it to take magic to and from the vet, everytime id ask a week in advance, and she said it was fine, id also pick up some chocolate and a bottle of wine on the return trip for her.
Anyway one day magic got a nosebleed, i called the vet, she asked the usually 'has he rolled, hit his head ect' but he hadn't i had been standing next to him and it had just happened, she said after 20 mins if it hadnt stopped we had a problem. She asked me to come in. The vets box was out so i had no choice, i called and called my neighbour, went to her house everything but no one was home, i started freaking out when her son came home, i explained, he threw the keys and my and said go go! Thankfully we made the trip, magic was admitted and y neighbour said it was the right thing to do.
Needless to say she was inundated with wine, chocolate and favours for a long time after!!
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But that's a different situation entirely!
 
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I'd tell them this morning that you've known for days and have given them the chance to speak to you, they haven't, so it is now with the police. No confrontation for you, very polite, and it protects you firm any offences they've done. It's not on op I'd be taking yo keys too as she doesn't appear to be doing much to help- she could have thrown them off the yard if she was that bothered.
 
horsesatemymoney said:
I'd tell them this morning that you've known for days and have given them the chance to speak to you, they haven't, so it is now with the police. No confrontation for you, very polite, and it protects you firm any offences they've done. It's not on op I'd be taking yo keys too as she doesn't appear to be doing much to help- she could have thrown them off the yard if she was that bothered.
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I'd go along with this, I get the strong impression that the YO is in on this too, I can just imagaine them all getting together and saying how you wouldn't mind or do anything as you are so easily placated by them being 'nice'.
If you don't respect yourself and your belongings enough to confront people who take advantage, then it will continue and you'll be taken for a fool.

You need to get mad and stand up for yourself, you don't have to get abusive, but I'd certainly be laying the law down and saying that for your own protection the police will be involved for taking without consent.

Then get some snow on your nose and let them do the grovelling although it may be that their true colours shine through. 'Nice' people don't use other people's possessions without permission, and they don't lie about thinking the other person had ok'd it.
 
Gingerwitch said:
Look - hit em with the snow shovel - would make you feel much better - if they phone the police to report you for hitting them with the snow shovel, then their TWOC will come out and they will be in even more trouble than you - so they wont phone the police, therefore hit them with the snow shovel twice :D:D:D
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well at least with a red snow shovel you wont notice the mess when the shovel makes a slugsh sound and covered in blood.

I would hit the back first then just for good measure hit the front.
 
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