Other liveries interfering on DIY

MaeBee93 said:
I've said its been heavy rain all week so the horses have been in so the beds look terrible until i muck them out again. because both horses get fed hay on the floor they tend to eat it really quick and then eat any good straw they haven't destroyed until the next hay time.
Click to expand...

but you said this??
 
SusieT said:
24 hours without mucking out - that's not an acceptable level of care. That's why the beds are a mess. IT takes ten minutes to do a quick muck out on a proper deep litter bed.
Earlier you said they eat their hay wuickly - now you say they dont?
Click to expand...

Who said 24 hours?? They get mucked out every night instead of the morning

Yes they do eat it quickly so there is only a bit left when I come down to top up rather than half net which they see with their own horses
 
So the whole yard is standing on unmucked out beds? Lovely?

I'd just start another muck heap somewhere until it was sorted, not leave my horse stood on it instead!
 
MaeBee93 said:
Who said 24 hours?? They get mucked out every night instead of the morning

Yes they do eat it quickly so there is only a bit left when I come down to top up rather than half net which they see with their own horses
Click to expand...

every night, 5pm to 5pm as you have said, is 24 hours....
 
You seem to be missing the point, you said that they eat their hay quickly and then eat any clean straw, if they had adequate hay it would be unlikely they would then eat the straw... I did put that bit in bold for you to see!
 
ester said:
every night, 5pm to 5pm as you have said, is 24 hours....
Click to expand...

5am is when I go down in the morning to hay feed turnout if they are allowed out then at 5pm they are hayed and fed again and mucked out but for the past week it's been minimul because the muck heap is full hence why I've had to chuck extra straw in each night
 
MaeBee93 said:
In a morning the beds are fine because they were only done the night before so during the day they get gradually worse and look like what you would see first thing in a morning
Click to expand...

Now I really do think you are probably a troll. Your beds are fine after your horses have been in all night, so don't need mucking out until the evening?

If you could breed horses like that they'd be worth a fortune!
 
ester said:
You seem to be missing the point, you said that they eat their hay quickly and then eat any clean straw, if they had adequate hay it would be unlikely they would then eat the straw... I did put that bit in bold for you to see!
Click to expand...

Both horses eat their bed regardless of hay, what of it? Some horses do especially when it's good straw. But it does mean they eat the good straw leave the muck then go finish the hay
 
Yes, so on the occasions they aren't allowed out they go 24 hours 5pm to 5pm without a muck out, exactly what SusieT was saying.
 
MaeBee93 said:
5am is when I go down in the morning to hay feed turnout if they are allowed out then at 5pm they are hayed and fed again and mucked out but for the past week it's been minimul because the muck heap is full hence why I've had to chuck extra straw in each night
Click to expand...

So you couldn't muck out because the heap was full, but some interfering liveries managed to ?
 
ester said:
So the whole yard is standing on unmucked out beds? Lovely?

I'd just start another muck heap somewhere until it was sorted, not leave my horse stood on it instead!
Click to expand...

Actually we've been putting masses of clean straw on instead so no their not stood in it
 
MaeBee93 said:
Both horses eat their bed regardless of hay, what of it? Some horses do especially when it's good straw. But it does mean they eat the good straw leave the muck then go finish the hay
Click to expand...

Look I quoted your words, they weren't mine, you said they ate their hay quickly and then ate their straw. Now you are back tracking and saying well they eat their hay quickly, but don't eat all of it etc etc.
p020.gif


Bottom line is that the picture that YOU have painted, no one else is one of inadequate basic care.
 
Right I get it.
A pile of hay on the floor and not in a nice tidy haynet doesn't look a lot, it may be fluffed up. A horse eating a straw bed looks terrible, but actually if its clean that not bad, its getting poor quality forage, which I actually feed my fatties. They get a round bale of hay and a large bale of straw and snack on both.
Everyone usually mucks out once a day, its just that most people do it in the morning so no one has to look at the disgusting mess they make all night because they are tucked up in bed at home.
You deep litter but the roof is leaking, so they have mushed the bed even more, so the lovely clean straw you put down at night looks like mush at 10am.
Like you have said people have not really read your post but you did not explain the situation really well, and perhaps this is happening on the yard, they assume if they haven't seen you, you haven't been there/or not for long. So if you want them off your backs you either inform them better ( painful but we have all had to do it)and get a bit of help or shift them somewhere where you at least do not have a leaky roof!
It depends how much you can be a****. The YO should have enough sense to know what is going on, but if you have told her what you are doing and why, they are not really helping, and ask for the roof to be fixed. I would write up the feed regime, weigh the feed, put the hay and forage straw in a box so they can not mush it in and pay someone to muck/turnout when possible. I would also try a bag of wood pellets under the straw in the wet bit as it keeps the top straw dryer. At 37 weeks you haven't got a lot of time to sort this out. Good luck with the baby.
 
honetpot said:
Everyone usually mucks out once a day, its just that most people do it in the morning so no one has to look at the disgusting mess they make all night because they are tucked up in bed at home.
Click to expand...

Sorry but not if their horses are in all day and all night they don't.
 
MaeBee93 said:
They didn't muck my bed out they dug up underneath and then left it so crap was on the top rather than the clean straw that had been put in
Click to expand...

Have you thought of keeping goats instead? They don't need exercising, nor do they produce so much muck that it is neglect if they are only mucked out once a day.

What quality is your hay? It isn't normal for horses to eat a straw bed if there is decent hay available.
 
ycbm said:
Now I really do think you are probably a troll. Your beds are fine after your horses have been in all night, so don't need mucking out until the evening?

If you could breed horses like that they'd be worth a fortune!
Click to expand...

Erm actually it's the same as mucking your horse out in the morning all day the bed looks great but by the next morning they've dirtied it. It doesn't magically go dirty when you appear on the yard the next day it gets progressively worse through the night. Well it's the same if you muck out in the evening instead beds will look great until midday the next day but then start to get noticably dirty after that there is still the same time period in between muck outs. If you muck out 7am every morning they still go 24 hours before the next muck out it's just mine get mucked out 5pm. They still get fed twice a day.
 
ester said:
Look I quoted your words, they weren't mine, you said they ate their hay quickly and then ate their straw. Now you are back tracking and saying well they eat their hay quickly, but don't eat all of it etc etc.
p020.gif


Bottom line is that the picture that YOU have painted, no one else is one of inadequate basic care.
Click to expand...

So I don't look after my horses because they choose to eat their bed....
 
If you muck out at 7am in the morning and your horse stands in all day it is totally normal to then muck out again in the evening.
If the horse is out during the day the bed is still spotless in the evening when they come in so in the morning the bed has only had 12 hours use and isn't totally minging either.
 
MaeBee93 said:
Erm actually it's the same as mucking your horse out in the morning all day the bed looks great but by the next morning they've dirtied it. It doesn't magically go dirty when you appear on the yard the next day it gets progressively worse through the night. Well it's the same if you muck out in the evening instead beds will look great until midday the next day but then start to get noticably dirty after that there is still the same time period in between muck outs. If you muck out 7am every morning they still go 24 hours before the next muck out it's just mine get mucked out 5pm. They still get fed twice a day.
Click to expand...

I think it's quite normal practice to muck out in the morning and skip throughout the day or in the evening, some inc myself muck out twice a day if they're staying in. Mine get a last skip out at 10pm and check to see if they're happy and healthy and need any hay/water etc. So when you ask 'what my problem is' it's the fact that I don't get why your horses are left all day without any care when us others manage fine..
 
Last edited:
Everyone usually mucks out once a day, its just that most people do it in the morning so no one has to look at the disgusting mess they make all night because they are tucked up in bed at home.
Click to expand...

Everyone does not. Never have, and don't know anyone else who ever has.
 
MaeBee93 said:
So I don't look after my horses because they choose to eat their bed....
Click to expand...

No, you don't look after your horses because you muck out once a day on a slightly dubious sounding deep litter system (and I am a semi deep litter fan on the right bedding with the right maintenance) when your horses are stood in their stables for 24 hours rather than do them twice a day as any normal horse owner would expect to. That is inadequate basic care, I hate to think what the state of their feet are.
 
MaeBee93 said:
Erm actually it's the same as mucking your horse out in the morning all day the bed looks great but by the next morning they've dirtied it. It doesn't magically go dirty when you appear on the yard the next day it gets progressively worse through the night. Well it's the same if you muck out in the evening instead beds will look great until midday the next day but then start to get noticably dirty after that there is still the same time period in between muck outs. If you muck out 7am every morning they still go 24 hours before the next muck out it's just mine get mucked out 5pm. They still get fed twice a day.
Click to expand...

Do you have horses which don't poop and pee in daylight hours or something?


Ime, most people with horses in 24/7 will skip out at least twice a day if they deep litter, and muck out once and skip out once if they don't.


You are also failing to care adequately for your horses by not getting them exercised when there is no turnout.
 
I have kept a horse in for 24 hours once, once. I mean one occasion ....... in the last seven years ...... and I have been on four different livery yards. Now I have them at home, they are in for six hours max and are mucked out twice during that time. They have big bale hay in field and two haynets with three quarters of a bale each in them. What you are doing is not normal basic care.
 
I think maybe this yard is not quite right for you.

The stables leak, the muck does not get taken away promptly so people can't muck out properly, and as the British weather is unpredictable you find it hard to work out how much hay is needed so you run out and can't more easily.

If the horses are kept in 24/7 then they do need skipping out twice a day, otherwise unless the horse is very tidy and poos in mainly one area and the stable is huge the beds will get very messy and unpleasant.

The other liveries should not have interfered but I would not be surprised if they had not raised their concerns with your YO.

It is not going to get easier for you as your pregnancy progresses and if we have a hard winter and or you have any issues with your baby you may find it difficult to cope.
 
MaeBee93 said:
Erm actually it's the same as mucking your horse out in the morning all day the bed looks great but by the next morning they've dirtied it. It doesn't magically go dirty when you appear on the yard the next day it gets progressively worse through the night. Well it's the same if you muck out in the evening instead beds will look great until midday the next day but then start to get noticably dirty after that there is still the same time period in between muck outs. If you muck out 7am every morning they still go 24 hours before the next muck out it's just mine get mucked out 5pm. They still get fed twice a day.
Click to expand...

Not on most yards, if the horse is in during the day they get a full muck out in the morning then skipped out during the day with the wet taken out again at tea time with clean bedding added at some point, if they are out all day then mucking out in the evening is acceptable. No horse should stand in a dirty bed for 24 hours even as a one off it is not good practice, however you try and phrase it you are not taking good enough care of the horses and your excuses are not coming across very well.

I would not accept this on my yard, you would have two options, leave or go onto part livery, I had someone here a few years ago who thought mucking out was a once in a while job, she was soon moved on.
 
honetpot said:
Right I get it.
A pile of hay on the floor and not in a nice tidy haynet doesn't look a lot, it may be fluffed up. A horse eating a straw bed looks terrible, but actually if its clean that not bad, its getting poor quality forage, which I actually feed my fatties. They get a round bale of hay and a large bale of straw and snack on both.
Everyone usually mucks out once a day, its just that most people do it in the morning so no one has to look at the disgusting mess they make all night because they are tucked up in bed at home.
You deep litter but the roof is leaking, so they have mushed the bed even more, so the lovely clean straw you put down at night looks like mush at 10am.
Like you have said people have not really read your post but you did not explain the situation really well, and perhaps this is happening on the yard, they assume if they haven't seen you, you haven't been there/or not for long. So if you want them off your backs you either inform them better ( painful but we have all had to do it)and get a bit of help or shift them somewhere where you at least do not have a leaky roof!
It depends how much you can be a****. The YO should have enough sense to know what is going on, but if you have told her what you are doing and why, they are not really helping, and ask for the roof to be fixed. I would write up the feed regime, weigh the feed, put the hay and forage straw in a box so they can not mush it in and pay someone to muck/turnout when possible. I would also try a bag of wood pellets under the straw in the wet bit as it keeps the top straw dryer. At 37 weeks you haven't got a lot of time to sort this out. Good luck with the baby.
Click to expand...

Thank you! However what has been missed is the first night I knew my roof leaked I decided I needed to go from deep litter to full muck out (this was Sunday) I dug a few barrows out but soon couldn't fit much on the muck heap so decided to wait to do the rest (empty the bed completely) after the muck heap was emptied which was supposed to happen the next day. me and the other liveries are a week down the line with no muck heap. so we've been taking poo out and putting a thick layer of clean straw on top. Unfortunately because of the weather turnout is hit and miss but we are one of the few yards that even allows turnout anymore some have banned it until Feb in my area. I've also stated if they don't go out they get a leg stretch via lunge pen/hand grazing and walking up the lane and back. They are never stood in for 24 hours they always come out every day for something. They always have something left when I go back to re hay up in the evening but they have also usually eaten the straw as well. The hay is fairly good I wouldn't say perfect but Its not dusty or mouldy, smells sweet and I can't imagine many people turning their noses up at it and all the horses are happy to eat it and seem to be thriving. I've only had the tb a month and she's already looking better she's perking up and has noticably stopped cribbing as much. The cob is overweight but she hasn't gained more and when she's back in work over Christmas it will drop. Just because she's overweight doesn't mean I reduce her hay she gets just as much as I don't want her having ulcers but she gets a handful of chaff in a bucket to make her think she's getting a feed when the tb gets hers and her weight hasn't gained this way for many weeks. If it does I'll do something. I will admit we have bog standard facilities (stable, lockup, paddock) but that doesn't shout cruelty to me.
 
ycbm said:
I'm sorry but it isn't acceptable for a stabled horse not to 'work'. Even if it's as thin as a rake, if it can't go out in a field it needs taking out for a walk like a dog for at least an hour. There is no excuse, I'm afraid, for any horse to be stabled 24 hours a day unless on box rest. You've known for a long time now that you weren't going to be able to ride and you should have made other arrangements to get your horses out of their boxes. I'm not the slightest bit surprised that other liveries are upset with the way you are managing your horses and have interfered.
Click to expand...

Actually if you read you will see the horses get out for either grazing in hand/lunge pen or walked up the lane every day 😊
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top