Ouchie!!! The good, the bad and the ugly...

Ginn

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Lets start with the ugly and then I'll explain the bad and the good!!

My face, cleaned up and de-blooded 3 hours post incident!!
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And my back, which seriously hurts, is swollen and is changing colour by the hour.
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As I'm off on holiday in less than a week I think I'm going to have some seriously unattractive photos this year
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So the good, took Tilly on her first proper woods hack today, somewhere totally new, with my friend and her greenish horse. While Tilly has been through woods before, they weren't like these which went on for miles and miles with loads to look at. She was exceptionally well behaved for the first half, nice and relaxed, as was friends horse. Got up to the top, had a little trot along the road to get to the woods on the other side and had to walk through a big, open corn field. Both horses again were foot perfect.

Started to work our way down through the woods on the other side and all was going just fine and we were just discussing how lovely the ride was and how we'd have to make an effort to go through the woods more often.

Then the bad! We encounted a woman walking in the woods with a mahoosive pushchair (which neither horse had encountered before) and 4 totally out of control dogs. Friends horse (who was leading) froze so we shouted ahead to ask the lady if she could put her dogs on leads. She refused, maintained they'd stay under control (if that was what she called control then I don't know what no control would look like). Horses still refused to budge so we suggested she walked towards us but popped onto the lower path abouth 20 ft away so we could go infront safely. Again she refused as she "wasn't going that way". We asked for her to atleast keep the dogs out of her way to which she responded "its ok, they won't chase the horses, they're used to them as we keep ours at home" at which point we calmly point out that we are both on novice horses who were clearly frightened and were having problems so would really appreciate it if she would put them on a lead - no she just stands there in the middle of the path, with pushchair and does nothing with her dogs still bouncing around - all 4 of them!!!
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By this point Herbie is trying to back up so I suggest I try going infront, get Till's about 10 ft infront and just as I'm ducking to go under a branch she froze, and caught me out spinning round to run back to herbie who still was not going forwards. Sue tries again with Herb's with no luck so I give it another go with Till's, and the woman and her dogs does nothing but decides to inform us "oh I do have another dog somewhere but I doubt he'll get in your way, he'll probably stay in the bushes. Just as I'm making some feel progress forward with Till's said dog leap out just feet away right into her path and both horses freaked, big time!!
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Now the track where we were wasn't very wide, certainly not wide enough for two horses and there were a lot of low branches that were fairly substantial - ok to negotiate at walk or even a steady trot but definately not gallop!! By now Herbie is going full pelt with blind panic with Tilly alongside. Sue and Herbie were on the edge of a fairly steep drop and I was up against the trees and didn't stand a chance of actually pulling up as I couldn't even sit up. At one point Sue was lying across Tilly's neck as she swerved to avoid colliding with a tree and I am getting smacked with Twigs and can't see a thing. Then suddenly I realise we are heading straigh for a very substantial branch that was level with my shoulders! How I stayed on and didn't end up more hurt is a mystery but the whole time all I could think of was the busy main road we were running towards. Next thing I know the branch has caught me full on on the face and I my head is now on my horses bum with the cantle of the saddle digging into my back!!

Anyways, sat back up, kicked on to get infront in a desperate attempt to avoid further accident, and once I was able to sit up, see where I was going and take a few gentle pulls Tilly came back to me and proceeded to act as a buffer for Herbie. Lept straight off (no idea why but it seemed like a good idea at the time), checked T over and I'm not sure whose legs were shaking more. Stood with the horses for about 10 mins until we'd all started to relax and then lead them back along the road for a bit and took a different path home, which was slightly wooded but more open and both horses were very good and quietly walked back almost on the buckle.

Herbie lost a shoe, I lost my hat silk, both ponies needed washing off but suffered no obvious damage and thank god I'd really booted her up as although she is a little more windgally compared to normal and I had to cut away a large chunk of frog that she'd ripped off she seemed absolutely fine tonight.

I'm just fuming over the complete lack of consideration and help of that stupid woman, especially when I consider how badly hurt either one of us or the horses could have been. Thinking about it makes me feel physically sick and I can honestly say I have never been so scared sat on a horse in my life - the amount of thoughts that run through you head in such a short period of time is amazing.

Eeek, sorry for the essay, choccies for those who made it to the end!!
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Oh no that is terrible, have a nice hot soak tonight and an early night!
Stupid, stupid woman, if she has horses she should have more than understood, can believe she didn’t at least get the dogs to her side.
I’m sure if won’t affect Tilly she is a good, clever girl!

Get well soon,
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I can't believe that woman did absoloutley nothing and it wasn't even down to just ignorance because she said she had horses at home
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. Its compleatley inexcusable!!! You were lucky that you are all ok (well pretty much
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). A girl who was at the yard where I keep my horse was killed due to low branches when her horse bolted with her through woods (I never knew her, was before I moved to yard).

Hope your brusies go down a bit before your holiday
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The annoying thing is she had the leads on the handles of the pushchair, I could see them!! It really wouldn't have hurt to call ALL! the dogs and put them on their leads for a few minutes - especially if they were as well behaved as she maintained! Fcuking inconsiderate and irresponsible
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Will get Kiri's friend to come out with me when I get back from hols as she has a proper safe "nanny" type of horse who is 110% in woods etc. Its deffo knocked my confidence off road a bit so I hope it hasn't done the same with hers, but will just have to wait and see. All I can say is she didn't feel like she was bolting, more running in panic with her mate who was genuinely tanking it, as once we were infront she pulled up much better than I expected and to get infront I had to send her on - there was deffo another gear or two to go!
 
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, what a stupid , ignorant t**t that woman was , you must of been absolutly petrified and its a wonder no one was more seriously injured
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, hope you feel better soon and that your friend and the horses are ok x
 
Jesus Christ
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I would do my utmost to track her down and take proceedings against her - she is a liability - you are NOT permitted to have dogs off the lead unless hey are under your COMPLETE control, and this bitch needs a lesson, a harsh one
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I cannot remember the last time I was so cross.
 
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jeez, poor you. glad to hear horses are okay and you somehow managed not to hit the deck, 10/10.


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Well the stickability training she's been cheeky enough to put me through seemed to pay off a bit today. That's something atleast.
 
I'm going to try, but there's not a lot I can do if I can't, I'm just so pleased that other than a little blood (god I looked a mess, especially given it give me a nosebleed!!) and some bruising neither of us was hurt. I certainly won't be going in the woods again without a very safe nanny for a while - which is ironic as off road should be safer than on road!

I think what really irritated me is we clearly had problems, and she must have heard us shouting as the horses tanked it (lots of "Whoa", "Sh!t", "steady" etc) and we pulled up within shouting distance and then stood there for about 10 mins while we all calmed down and checked the horses over - she didn't even have the curtesy (sp) to call out and see if we were ok, we could both have come off and been badly hurt and as far as we know she just buggered off without a care in the world. Walking back several walkers saw us and immediately asked if we were ok, if they can do it then why the Fcuk didn't she even shout and ask!!
 
She is a selfish cow who obviously knew she was in the wrong and probably buggered off sharpish.

We had 4 dogs suddenly appear on us the other week on our private farm, we called out again and again and eventually got a "hello" - "YOUR DOGS ARE LOOSE IN THE CROPS" "Oh thank you" "THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED HERE, YOU COULD HAVE CAUSED AN ACCIDENT" "OK thank you" - she was stood behind a tree in a copse so we couldn't get to her and we were FUMING and she knew it and not ONCE did she call her dogs back
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Dog walkers like this are dangerous and think they are above the law - SOMEONE has to do something.
 
God, there are some inconsiderate morons out there!
I'm glad you are not more badly hurt.
Get some arnica in ya and take some paracetomol and/or brufen too.

Stupid woman.
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Whilst I agree that the woman was in the wrong, I think you were also a bit irresponsible, what if instread of an adult with four dogs it had been five kids with bikes? If the horses are not safe in the woods without a nanny please make sure that they learn about them with one.
 
Children do not always stop when told to, I agree the dogs should have been under control, however it is also necessary for horses to be under control on public access tracks. Had some one else been on the track infront of them the carnage would have been their fault as well. The OP made a point of the sizse of the pushchair and the fact that the ponies had never seen one.
 
You poor thing it has really upset me reading this. I have had 2 accidents in woods one where I was dragged through the undergrowth and the other smacked to kingdom come by branches on a bolting horse. Lots of arnica and witchhazel for you. I cannot recommend these people highly enough if you are interested in homeopathic remedies just ask to Barbara ( the horsey lady ) explain what has happened and she can advise what will be good for you and your horse for emotional and physical well being.. xxx

Stupid women I bet she would have had something to say if you had crashed into her pushchair
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Am fuming on your behalf J, hope you and Tills can overcome any emotional scars left by today.

If it makes you feel any better, we have a (horsey) neighbour who has several large, dangerous dogs that she refuses to control. We can no longer ride out down our road (private road) because of her.
 
Oh no!!! Hopefully by the time you go on holiday it won't be as obvious.

I don't know how you managed to stay so polite to the stupid dog walker. Grr!!!
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Whilst I agree that the woman was in the wrong, I think you were also a bit irresponsible, what if instread of an adult with four dogs it had been five kids with bikes? If the horses are not safe in the woods without a nanny please make sure that they learn about them with one.

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OK, firstly both horses have been 110% out hacking before and neither of us have ever had a problem. Considering 99% of our hacking is done on the roads and lanes I would have expected the woods to be a safer place to go. The main reason we hadn't ridden either of the horses there before is that it is a hell of a long hack and once you are in the woods it is a long way before you are out again and both horses have recently come back into work. Yes they were both green (Till's is only 4 and Herbie is 8) BUT we wouldn't have gone if we felt a nanny was needed. At the end of the day you can't nanny a horse everywhere and all things considered you don't come across horses (usually) as bombproof as ours to nanny anyway where we are!! Tilly has to escort my friends daughter and her 13yo pony out on the roads as the pony is spooky and Tilly will quite literally lead past a pneumatic drill thats banging away just feet from her. Believe me, I would not have been irresponsible enough to take a spooky baby I felt I couldn't control out somewhere new if I didn't trust her behave BUT at the end of the day I cannot predict EVERY situation that might occur, or act to avoid it - if I did that I wouldn't hack, period!

Secondly, a pushchair of all things is something I would never have expected to come across in the woods (lots of mud, narrow track, dips, stones, logs etc. etc. - not really pushchair friendly) and I would have expected should I have come across something like that for it to have been with an adult who I'd hoped would have had the sense to act sensibly and responsibly.

Thirdly, my horse is perfectly used to bikes, children, motorcross bikes etc. She frequently walks past the kids at the local rec playing football, cricket etc, frequently passes them on bikes, scooters, scateboards etc - as does my friend and her horse I might add - and never have we had a problem. We have also encounted dogs before out hacking and the "worst" dog incident we have had is quite simply stopping and looking a wee bit amused when on one occasion one jump up at a gate 2 feet away barking and made us all jump!!!

I have to say I am a little saddened that you feel our actions were irresponsible but there is no way we'd have gone if we'd realised we'd end up in that sort of situation. And yes, for the first time ever I did loose control of my horse and I was terrified, but you try pulling a horse up which is charging through a heavily over grown area where you can't even sit up let alone see where you were going. Pulling on the reins and shouting "whoa" is one thing but I don't blame my horse for one second for her actions, and I am grateful that actually, once I'd got ahead and got myself back upright and in a position where I could actually do something she stopped almost immediately - that's not what I'd call being "unable" to control my horse. I fully accept that had we encountered someone else we would have been liable BUT had the woman listened to our requests in the first place, we probably never would have had a problem.

I am just puzzled and a little saddened by the fact that you think that little of us that we would put ourselves, our horses and other people in an irresponsible situation
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Yes, next time I will go out with someone whose horse is used to going into the woods and meeting things there, as much for my own confidence as anything else, but do you seriously believe that I went out today with my regular hacking partner on this particular ride without both of us giving it some serious thought and deciding it was a reasonable ride to do?? Or should we only ever go somewhere where we might meet something new if always escorted by a horse that is 110% in EVERY circumstance? In which case would you tell me where to find one as mine is already as good as a lot of them come!
 
Public access tracks are just that, whether you expected to meet a pushchair or not is immaterial, in your OP you made much of the size of the pushchair and the fact that the horses were unsettled by it. You also stated that both horses were green. I used to ride a horse who did not behave well in traffic, I therefore ensured that she did not go out without a calming influence, who was always placed in the best position to ensure the safety of other road/pathway users. It appears to me that there were too many things for two green horses to contend with, woods are notoriously 'spooky' places for horses and often they need education with older/calmer more experienced animals. Woods can have: ground nesting birds which fly up under your horses nose, squirrels, rabbits, loose dogs, joggers, cyclists etc. difficult for green horses to deal with, particularly if they are already spooked by the leaves rustling and the difficult play of light and shadow.
 
poor you looks so sore. hopefully you will feel better soon. im sorry but you were not irrespnsible -horses are unpredictable full stop, i think thats a harsh thing to say when you are clearly suffering.
 
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I would do my utmost to track her down and take proceedings against her - she is a liability - you are NOT permitted to have dogs off the lead unless hey are under your COMPLETE control, and this bitch needs a lesson, a harsh one
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Me too. Make sure you keep photos of all of your injuries. The biggest problem is going to be proving it was her, if she denies all knowledge of ever having been there. I think I'd be taking myself off to the police station this morning to report it and see if you can get the ball rolling straightaway. The longer it is left the more chance she has to make up a story. Those are nasty injuries you've got there.

If the police aren't interested as it may be that this was on private ground and isn't a matter for them, then see a solicitor. Most of them will give you a free initial consultation.
 
You poor old thing.

It just shows the value of using something bomb proof as a babysitter. Had the other horse not been worried about the woman etc., then probably neither would Tilly.

It looks terribly sore, you poor old thing.
 
I don't think for one moment you were irresponsible Ginn. Everytime we ride we take a chance that the horse may spook, NO horse is bombproof and I think that YorksG is being a tad unfair. The woman with the dogs should be strung up.
 
Poor you, those injuries look very painful. I've come a cropper from branches before and they inflict some mighty nasty injuries.

I don't think you were irresponsible at all, I think its just one of those things that us horse owners will always experience at some point or another - horses displaying their unpredictable side. Hence why we see so many of those awful lawsuits against owners of previously 110% in all ways horses.

I have to say, sometimes I think having an experienced/bombproof horse around isn't all that - at the weekend I went out with my friend and her horse is 12 and very very good, seen it all type. My mare is 5 and to be fair is unbelievably well behaved and goes past pretty much everything. Well we met a tractor, fine, then met another, well my mare decided to have a look at it and herbie (friends horse) decided that there must be something there as ellie was looking and then wouldn't go past. So of couse ellie who puts a lot of trust in him obviously thought tractor was ten times scarier than she initially thought. Had I been alone I doubt I would have had so much trouble.
 
Yes, but Aslxx - it's not just about the bombproof horse, it's about the person riding it.

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At the end of the day every time I take my horse off the yard I accept we put ourselves at risk of an accident or may end up in a situation that was anticipated or had adequate preparation for. Riding is a risk sport and horses are independently thinking animals so we cannot control their reactions to things – if I wanted that I’d get a bike! It is totally unrealistic for me to be nannied everywhere, for a start my horse often is the nanny as she is pretty much as bombproof as they come on roads and lanes and she is perfectly used to all the things you describe such as birds shooting out of hedges, rabbits and squirrels jumping out at us (been there, done it and actually she didn’t bat an eyelid), cyclists, runner, children along with a host of many other things that a lot of horses would seriously freak at! She is used to the effect of the trees and going from light to dark and all the associated shadows, she is used to walking, trotting and cantering along bridle paths that have trees in the hedges either side which gives the illusion of being in a wood, and sticks and leaves cracking underfoot – she just hasn’t been in “the woods” as it isn’t a short hack and until recently I haven’t felt her fitness has been ready for it. My god, this is the horse who didn’t even lift her head from the grass she was munching when a WW2 bomb was set off less than half a mile away – if that dpesn’t define bombproof then I don’t know what does!!! It certainly made me jump out my skin! Yes she is green but she is also 100 times better out hacking then many of the more experienced horses I have had in the past, as is Herbie. You are assuming that neither of our horses behave well out hacking when infact the opposite is true! I am yet to meet a horse rider who hasn’t at some point in their riding career had an experience whereby their horse has behaved unexpectedly and the result was not plesent, its part and parcel of what we do.

Yes we met a pushchair, and no, it wasn’t a small one – it was hogging a substantial amount of the track and had we been a little further down we wouldn’t have been able to pass it due to its size. No, the horses hadn’t seen one before and yes they did stop and look. The issue arose with the fact that the dogs worried both of them and the owner did nothing to try and keep them under control even when asked, infact she went out of her way to be rude, unhelpful and damned right inconsiderate and irresponsible and the crowning glory was when her 5th dog which she hadn’t bothered to even call back to her suddenly appeared out of nowhere and took both horses by complete surprise. The woman’s complete disregard for our safety and total disrespect for us nearly lead to a nasty accident and personally I find that totally uncalled for on her behalf.

Again, I will reitterate that we took the horses into the woods when we felt they were both fit and adequately prepared for it. Of course if I felt a nanny was necessary I would have arranged to go out with one but the trust I have in my horse and the preparation we had done led me to believe that it wasn’t necessary and I still stand by that decision as I cannot always account for everything and anything 100% of the time that I may just meet and I accept that is a risk of my hobby. At the end of the day you could be with the most bombproof horse in the world and yet you could still have a problem! Yes, we encountered something unexpected but in that I am referring to the attitude of the woman walking her dogs than what the horses actually saw. I was also horrified at the lack of concern for her child’s safety as had we shot forwards (for all any of us including the dogs’ owner knew the missing dog could have been anywhere and could have jumped out from behind!) we could also have had a series accident. Equally, as you rightly pointed out public access tracks do just what they say on the tin so the public should also be aware of other users as much as we are of them – especially when the track in question is clearly marked as a public bridleway – it cuts both ways.

I think this is just one of those things that we aren’t going to agree on so I’m not going to argue with you over it anymore and I feel saddened that I have had to justify my actions in this way. I will not say anymore as if what I have written still brings you to your conclusion that the responsibly was ours as our horses weren’t being nannied then all I can say is that I will make the decisions that I feel are appropriate for my circumstances and you can do the same for yourself.
 
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