Our Opening meet cut short by Sabs
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levantosh
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IMO this thread has become a joke original post was also telling us about their horse.
Lets face it Hunting has been banned, Antis and SABS should just get jobs and leave us get on with drag hunting. It's been banned, so there is no need for protests and criminal activity (lets face it on the SABS part) hunts are staying with-in the law and we have monitors, so just get lost you tree hugging hippies!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets face it Hunting has been banned, Antis and SABS should just get jobs and leave us get on with drag hunting. It's been banned, so there is no need for protests and criminal activity (lets face it on the SABS part) hunts are staying with-in the law and we have monitors, so just get lost you tree hugging hippies!!!!!!!!!!!
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Simsar
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LMAO for 20 mins. xx
MerrySherryRider
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Now if the powers that be would allow hunting of the narrow minded arrorgant yobs (scum already been taken) on both sides of the debate I would get my horse out tomorrow.
I'll join you. JM's hysterical bigotry is cringe worthy and remarks about soldiers going to war because of Hitlers hunting ban are shameful. Comments like this bring the forum into disrepute.
Judgemental
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One has to go to the originating post to understand why a remarkable number of folk we don't often see on this particular forum are suddenly posting.
Clearly there is blind panic in the ranks of the antis that they were rumbled in Shropshire and this particular thread has taken off, indeed has exploded in the faces of the Sabs/Antis and clearly there is a damage limitation exercise in action.
Let us look at the facts, a group of Sabs went along to a hunt on Saturday with a live fox in a box.
A live fox in a box with the intention of letting it out in front of hounds!
They the Sabs were armed with a camera clearly the intention was to try and frame, fit up, entrap the master and hunt staff as they, the Sabs were going to let the fox out infront of the hounds.
A live fox in a box .... me gently what the hell was going on, where did they get the fox, was it dug out, trapped, wired, did it come from a laboratory? Why have these people not been arrested?
Yet, there are people who have said on this thread, but one must see both sides of the argument and that I must not become hysterical. All I suspect a smoke screen to divert attention as to what was being perpetrated. The massive damage that this has been done to the LACS, SABs and ANTIS cause.
Some, who profess to support hunting (I think they like trail hunting and only trail hunting) take exception to my raising Adolf Hitler's 1934 ban in the context of Tony Blair’s 2004 ban. Could it be that the Sabs and Antis find themselves suddenly embarrased that they are being associated with the world's worst mass murderer Adolf Hitler who banned hunting. The only other person to do so being the Sabs other hero Tony Blair, both of who invaded sovereign states illegally!
Oh dear have I touched a raw nerve, trust me you aint seen nothing yet!
As we know Google crawls all these posts so all of this is being whacked around the world as one writes.
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rubysmum
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you are of course quite right in saying that releasing a live fox at a hunt from a cage is a dangerous act & possibly illegal if it could be proved that the action was commited to endanger life - i only responded to your description of sabs & antis as drug takers as it simply did not mesh with the folks i have met over the years who oppose fox hunting - i would hate to be seen as bandwaggon jumping [ my jumping accuracy just aint that good
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ps - if i wear tweed [ as opposed to nasty synthetic black] to simply take [my very clean hogged ID] mare to a meet should i expect social death?
]ps - if i wear tweed [ as opposed to nasty synthetic black] to simply take [my very clean hogged ID] mare to a meet should i expect social death?
Judgemental
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you are of course quite right in saying that releasing a live fox at a hunt from a cage is a dangerous act & possibly illegal if it could be proved that the action was commited to endanger life - i only responded to your description of sabs & antis as drug takers as it simply did not mesh with the folks i have met over the years who oppose fox hunting - i would hate to be seen as bandwaggon jumping [ my jumping accuracy just aint that good
ps - if i wear tweed [ as opposed to nasty synthetic black] to simply take [my very clean hogged ID] mare to a meet should i expect social death?
Of course it was illegal - these sabs were procuring a hunt after a fox!
Depends on the hunt. Depends how old you are. Have a word with your secretary. Look, all these secretaries are e-mailable, that is what they are there for, ask the question and do as they instruct. At the end of the day it is the secretary who has the final say so far as turnout and dress code is concerned.
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Eagle_day
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"At the end of the day it is the secretary who has the final say so far as turnout and dress code is concerned."
It bloody well isn't. My job is to strike a balance between encouraging the most people out possible following hounds and maximising income. I have said in the past that you can come out with your arse painted blue as far as I'm concerned as long as you're not a danger to yourself and others, and you pay your cap. But it is a case of leading by example and if followers are keen enough to come out regularly, they will conform to an acceptable dress code.
It bloody well isn't. My job is to strike a balance between encouraging the most people out possible following hounds and maximising income. I have said in the past that you can come out with your arse painted blue as far as I'm concerned as long as you're not a danger to yourself and others, and you pay your cap. But it is a case of leading by example and if followers are keen enough to come out regularly, they will conform to an acceptable dress code.
RunToEarth
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newalclover
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Thank you Eagle_day think that is the right attitude ok excuse me have no idea I came out for the 1st time and had a ball!! And was told as long as was as smartly turned out as I could and not loads of bling then would be ok!! TBH think some judgmentals past posts on correct dress would put compleate newbies like myself off!! Can't wait to go again!! watch this space will almost look proper!! 
Oh by the way for the OP think is horrendous that they would cage an animal then set it loose near the hounds!! they call themselves animal rights people are clearly not and just out to cause trouble!!
Oh by the way for the OP think is horrendous that they would cage an animal then set it loose near the hounds!! they call themselves animal rights people are clearly not and just out to cause trouble!!
Judgemental
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Clearly one does not know where you fit into the hieracy of your hunt.
But from where I come from our secretary deals with matters of turn out and dress code for the newcomers. I am pleased to say very high standards are set and seem to be welcomed by all.
Anyway this is getting off the suject of these Sabs in Shropshire.
What's your take on this event Mr Eagle Day?
Judgemental
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Thank you Eagle_day think that is the right attitude ok excuse me have no idea I came out for the 1st time and had a ball!! And was told as long as was as smartly turned out as I could and not loads of bling then would be ok!! TBH think some judgmentals past posts on correct dress would put compleate newbies like myself off!! Can't wait to go again!! watch this space will almost look proper!!
Oh by the way for the OP think is horrendous that they would cage an animal then set it loose near the hounds!! they call themselves animal rights people are clearly not and just out to cause trouble!!
All my posts in essence say, talk to the secretary. I have my own standards but for new boys and girls, talk to the secretary.
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EAST KENT
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You disgust me,touch a nerve ? Oh yes and anyone else with compassion equally so.
Eagle_day
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I'll believe it when someone assures me first-hand that they saw such a thing.
There's a saying in hunting that,' you never tell the huntsman something you haven't seen yourself'. That goes for an awful lot of hunting gossip and rumour.
Judgemental
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You disgust me,touch a nerve ? Oh yes and anyone else with compassion equally so.
[/QUOTE]Compassion for whom?
Oh East Kent I don't really think you are one of us. I think you have been rumbled.
Hitler banned hunting Tony Blair banned hunting fact - yes.
So what's the problem, are you a Tony Blair lover (in the admiration sense) or are you a follower of the Nazi cause?
Or is it you are disgusted because are very embarrassed, probably because of your youthfulness, that you did not know Hitler banned hunting and therefore in my world all Sabs and Antis are part and parcel of Hitler's philosophy.
That of course is borne out by the fact that Hitler persecuted a minority, namely the Jews who were deported to the concentration camps and gassed.
He, Hitler was able to order the extermination, because he had a huge governmental majority and for all the hunts to be wiped off the face of Germany by shooting the hounds and a considerable number of the hunt staff were also shot by what became to be know as the Gestapo.
Suggest you read Hitler's speech in Obersalzberg, when he dealt with hunting policies and that of the Jews and The Final Solution contemporaneously.
Tony Blair had a huge governmental majority to have hunting banned - some in the Labour party wanted all the hounds shot too. John Prescott said it was a totemic policy of the Labour party to ban hunting and so it was with Hitler's Nazi party and the extermination of the Jews.
Now we have a situation were hunts are monitored and interfered with by Saboteurs - the equivalent of the latter day Gestapo because they, the sabs will immediately report any infringements by the hunt of the Hunting Act 2004 to the Police.
In the same way the Jews were informed upon.
Yes we hunting people are a minority rammed into a concentrated legal box by Tony Blair and his henchmen, so that our freedom to hunt is taken from us.
Then we have a situation as described in Shropshire where sabs were trying to 'experiment' upon a hunt, a hunt in a concentrated legal position in order to derive gratification from the suffering of the hunt and those attending.
So East Kent where's the compassion from all that.
Yes, I have to say that you are highly suspect. Whose side are you on?
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boneo
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There was a Victorian father's advise to his daughter, " Never trust a man who hunts south of the Thames, or who wears suede shoes" Any thoughts or comments?
Simsar
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you are of course quite right in saying that releasing a live fox at a hunt from a cage is a dangerous act & possibly illegal Of Course its illegal!! if it could be proved that the action was committed to endanger life WTF! That fox would have been hunted by the hounds and that was the intention, what does it prove? The huntsman around the country do an amazing job as it is to stop hound coming across and hunting a scent. I hope this whole situation is brought to light big time.-
i only responded to your description of sabs & antis as drug takers yes most who follow are stoned of their boxes you can smell it its not normal tobacco and I have also seen Stella can dropped by the Scum whilst out hunting, and I will call them that as I have been called far worse. as it simply did not mesh with the folks i have met over the years who oppose fox hunting - No they are tree huggers i would hate to be seen as bandwagon jumping [ my jumping accuracy just ain't that good
PS - if i wear tweed [ as opposed to nasty synthetic black] to simply take [my very clean hogged ID] mare to a meet should i expect social death? No but give it 20 yrs when you all are dressing none traditionally it will be heard "Where did all the traditional clothing go"
Lets not argue amongst us we can pull together on this one.
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Simsar
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If that is pointed at JM I don't think he is southern or Brogue shoe man.
I bet a northerner said that!
DragonSlayer
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Here is an old report to do with what JM is talking about, You will notice that people talk about it here in a calm and adult way, no screaming about 'bringing Hitler into it is disgusting'...blah blah blah....
Some of you will do well to listen to what JM has to say, but I fear you react as you do because you feel intimidated by the fact he is intelligent, and can hold a conversation together.
There is a direct reference in this report to Tony Blair and Hitler. I suggest you read it, take note, and realise that JM is NOT some ill-informed yokel as some of you seem to suggest...
Ref - A spokesman for the Countryside Alliance said: "Hitler banned fox hunting partly because he wanted to attack the aristocracy's way of life and further his own ambitions. It would appear that Tony Blair's reasons for banning foxhunting are not dissimilar - a curious mixture of class envy, spite and a curious understanding of animal welfare."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...er-hunting-with-hounds-is-still-verboten.html
Some of you will do well to listen to what JM has to say, but I fear you react as you do because you feel intimidated by the fact he is intelligent, and can hold a conversation together.
There is a direct reference in this report to Tony Blair and Hitler. I suggest you read it, take note, and realise that JM is NOT some ill-informed yokel as some of you seem to suggest...
Ref - A spokesman for the Countryside Alliance said: "Hitler banned fox hunting partly because he wanted to attack the aristocracy's way of life and further his own ambitions. It would appear that Tony Blair's reasons for banning foxhunting are not dissimilar - a curious mixture of class envy, spite and a curious understanding of animal welfare."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...er-hunting-with-hounds-is-still-verboten.html
outandabout
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'Bringing Hitler into it' is not disgusting. There is a valid point of comparison between Blair and Hitler in the context of the banning of hunting - potentially both can be viewed upon an attack on a particular class of society and various other interesting considerations on this issue. Hitler may well have dealt with foxhunting and the Final Solution contemporaneously; this does not mean that Blair had the murder of various groups of society in his mind when he acted regarding foxhunting. To compare Blair to Hitler in the context of the Holocaust and the murder of 15 million people, including 6 million children, does both you and him a disservice - it's at least a poor use of deductive reasoning.
And I'm neither a bunny hugger, a sab, a Labour voter or 'intimidated by JM's (or anyone else's) intelligence'. I do however think that people who post on this thread would do well to think about how this makes the hunting community appear to the public at large. There are lots of good arguments for repealing the Act; this one is definitely at the sillier end of the scale!
And I'm neither a bunny hugger, a sab, a Labour voter or 'intimidated by JM's (or anyone else's) intelligence'. I do however think that people who post on this thread would do well to think about how this makes the hunting community appear to the public at large. There are lots of good arguments for repealing the Act; this one is definitely at the sillier end of the scale!
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MerrySherryRider
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This is the comment that I find incredulous. According to you, JM, many men and women went to war because of Hitlers' hunting ban and not because of the persecution of the Poles ?? Not even because of the persecution of the elderly infirm, the mentally ill, the handicapped, Black and Asian minorities, Catholics, JW's, gypsies,homosexuals, etc, etc..and of course, the small matter of the Jews ?
Interestingly, Hitler and the Nazi party considered themselves environmentalists and introduced policies for animal welfare and conservation. The banning of hunting animals was one such policy.
However, I find it obscene that, you state that the reason that motivated 'many men and women' to go to war was because of a ban on a sport and not because of the persecution of millions of people.
DragonSlayer
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I believe JM used this analogy to show that there are many different reasons for the choices people make when going to war. You may think it an extreme way to put it, but I see what he is getting at.
MerrySherryRider
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Really ?
Having nursed many ex British POW's and elderly Polish men and women over the last 30 years, their stories are horrific. Not one ever mentioned the hunting ban though. I could tell you what they endured, but I don't think you'd sleep well tonight.
DragonSlayer
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My dear, firstly you have no reason to patronise me, as you have NO CLUE who I am. As I said, there are people here who cannot seem to get their heads round a point without raising merry hell, as for the rest of your comment, it is not worth responding to as this is the point I am making. People seem to have the distinct lack of ability these days to be able to read between the lines and see a message for what it is.
If you wish to go back and forth all day with references that indeed I don't know what was suffered then we can do. However, I am going again to Auschwitz once more in February (notice the AGAIN) to try to educate young people into the horrors of what went on.
MissySmythe
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Whatever the veracity of JM's thoughts here, I find it astonishingly bad taste to put them across in this manner.
Thank you horserider for putting this rather obscene thread of discussion into perspective. And let us not forget that going to war and fighting for one's country was a DUTY, not a choice. As Nov 11th approaches, let us remember them.
FairyLights
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Has anyone actually find out which hunt this was,whoes opening meet was sabotaged,and did the MFH contact the police about the sabs?
rosie fronfelen
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Its nice to know that JM has at least one friend- when you go back to that horror camp in feb. are you going to mention these facts about Hitler banning hunting et al. Why WW11 and Hitler have to be dragged into these posts defeats me but i find it all abhorrant, and dont dare patronise others by saying that there is an inability to read between the lines, i for one dont wish to, what you and JM write is enough without that!!!!
DragonSlayer
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Don't I dare? Are you going to stop me? No, I am tired of trying to reason with people who obviously cannot stand to have an adult discussion about things BEYOND the horror. We know what the Nazi party did. It doesn't have to be spelled out. WHY did he come to power? WHAT was the reasoning behind the sudden increase in the popularity of the Nazi Party? I am a historian, therefore I feel compelled to explore ALL avenues. If you all wish to sit and discuss 'happy fluffy bunnies' and bury your heads in the sand to dispel the WHY it all happened, then you go ahead.
By the way, I do not know JM. It's just nice to find another intelligent person here, oh, wait for it, your going to accuse me of something in a minute, aren't you?
rosie fronfelen
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Don't I dare? Are you going to stop me? No, I am tired of trying to reason with people who obviously cannot stand to have an adult discussion about things BEYOND the horror. We know what the Nazi party did. It doesn't have to be spelled out. WHY did he come to power? WHAT was the reasoning behind the sudden increase in the popularity of the Nazi Party? I am a historian, therefore I feel compelled to explore ALL avenues. If you all wish to sit and discuss 'happy fluffy bunnies' and bury your heads in the sand to dispel the WHY it all happened, then you go ahead.
By the way, I do not know JM. It's just nice to find another intelligent person here, oh, wait for it, your going to accuse me of something in a minute, aren't you?
I am far from being a fluffy bunny but do you honestly think that when anyone prepares to go and have an enjoyable hunting day they are going to think of Hitler and his evil ways? You, and he come to that i find are 2 very sad people, nothing wrong with being an historian, but do we want this stuff rammed down our throats on the hunting forum which as it says, is on here to discuss experiences on the hunting field?
DragonSlayer
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Oh, for goodness sake, THIS is getting ridiculous.
If you are NOT mature enough to understand why such a statement was made, then THAT is not anyone elses fault.
Seeing what was said, and understanding it, does NOT make me agree with what the Nazis did. Did you READ that link? Did you not see a member of the CA actually made a statement about Hitler and Blair in it?
I am not sad, I have a balanced view on the world. Can you not think of anything better to call me, seeing as we are about to go down the road of slinging insults?
'We don't want this stuff rammed down our throats'....I feel sorry for you because you seem to be incapable of accepting that maybe somewhere, someone can link things together to see simliarities. It does not make them bad, evil people, it shows their ability to THINK.
And with this, I bug out of this argument.
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