Overwhelming support for the ban

[Hebegebe]

lol!

 

[Scratchline]

lol!

Any government trying to introduce a blood sport wouldnt be laughing lol lol

 

[Bunce]

Scratchline you are absolutely right.

Hunting with dogs is the biggest political issue in Britain today.

Any Government that lets there be a free vote on the issue would be overthrown by the British people in a mass popular uprising.

If hunting were ever now legalised we would see mass protests with tens of thousands of people taking direct action at each hunt to prevent it occurring.

Apart from amongst the tiny pro torture hunting lobby there is 100% support.

 

[Hebegebe]

why are the tories so far ahead in the polls then if it's such a big issue for people?

 

[Eagle_day]

Scratchline you are absolutely right.

Hunting with dogs is the biggest political issue in Britain today.

Well that's the greatest piece of fantasy since Darling stood up in the Commons and presented one of the most duplicitous and dishonest budgets ever seen.

Hunting is not the biggest political issue now, nor has it ever been. The vast majority of people don't care what methods of pest control are used in the countryside. We now have a government locked in a death-spiral, presiding over the worst peacetime deficit ever, which will take over 20 years to repay. People are worried about their futures and their jobs, and providing for their families. To them the death of a fox is of as little account as sparrow's tears.

You are a deluded fantasist if you think even a total of 10,000 would turn up countrywide to protest. The anti network is nearly moribund with a rump of a handful of groups left. LACS is skint and dependent on the IFAW to fund its abandoned prosecution. We put half a million people of the streets of London, an effort you can't even dream to match.

Hunting continues within the exemptions of the Hunting Act as supported by the legal decision in the Wright High Court hearing. It hasn't gone away and our support goes from strength to strength.

Repeal in 18 months.

 

[wurzel]

Having listened to hunters quite carefully for a while, I'm disappointed to find how much lying and dissimulation they use. Issuing warnings on hunting sites not to discuss openly how they flout the ban, faking poll results, rigging telephone polls, blatant lying about the Hunting Declaration. Even on this site you have proven, documented liars like Giles Bradshaw. I prefer the up-front hunters like Tom Faggus who openly admit they lie. There is, bizarrely, at least a kind of honesty in that.

I don't really lie myself. I just hunt. The master tells a little one at the meet. But then I could be wrong. Maybe he does exempt hunting. It shard to say sometimes!!

 

[wurzel]

" The vast majority of the public do not want to turn the clocks back to a time when cruelty and killing for pleasure under the guise of hunting with dogs was legal, making the case for repeal extremely weak.

Hi all )


I have no doubt whatsoever though that we have seen the end of hunting animals with dogs.

I think a trip to Exmoor might surprise you old boy !!!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

following from time to time these posts, especially since the season finished i've not read such a load of deluded bulls--t from these so called "animal lovers!" still,never mind that, they'll never have it any other way- all i do know is, having hunted on Exmoor myself(before this crap they call a ban)hundreds turn out to follow, both riding and in vehicles, and according to friends living and still following down there ,nowt has changed!! by the way, hunting is with hounds, not dogs-get something right for lord's sake!!

 

[rosie fronfelen]

the above post was addressed to the anti brigade by the way who seem to be all so well ill informed in all things to do with hunting, rose coloured glasses come to mind!!

 

[Hebegebe]

Do you like this letter?

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/letters/flawed-Hunting-Act-ditched/article-936353-detail/article.html

 

[Bunce]

That letter is utterly ridiculous.

It is nonsense to say:

"The difference is that hunts, no matter how carefully they control their dogs, will be criminalised for these inevitable, occasional slips."

All we are demanding is that hunts no longer take dogs into any areas where there might be wild mammals. This is the simple step that needs to be taken to prevent any possibility of a chase.

The modification to the law will make it work much better because we will only have to collect evidence of an animal being chased by a dog to prosecute. It will no longer be necessary for the hunt to be hunting the animal.

 

[guido16]

Hunting with dogs is the biggest political issue in Britain today.

Bunce, are you living in some parallel universe?

When did you last see any mention of fox hunting in the UK headlines?

Recession, budget, poverty, school closures, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, job losses, banks,crime, homeowners, MP`s expenses, G20, unemployment, free prescriptions, terrorism, immigrants, NHS, unpair pay, fuel prices.

I dont see Fox Hunting appearing anywhere there, oh and before you say anything, I took most of these "news" stories from Labours website..

 

[Eagle_day]

"All we are demanding is ...."

Demand all you like. No-one is listening.

 

[Bunce]

Hunting with dogs is the biggest political issue in Britain today.

Bunce, are you living in some parallel universe?

When did you last see any mention of fox hunting in the UK headlines?

Recession, budget, poverty, school closures, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mexico, job losses, banks,crime, homeowners, MP`s expenses, G20, unemployment, free prescriptions, terrorism, immigrants, NHS, unpair pay, fuel prices.

I dont see Fox Hunting appearing anywhere there, oh and before you say anything, I took most of these "news" stories from Labours website..

That is because it has been banned.

beleive you me the vast majority of the British public hate the people associated with fox hunting.

If any Government seeks to bring it back they will be immediately ousted by a massive groundswell of popular anger.

 

[oakash]

I 've had a good laugh at the 'anti' posts on here! What is particularly amusing is their vain attempts to try to ensure that the unknowledgable public think that hunting is 'cruel'! For exampl, any reference to hunting will contain some reference to it being 'cruel' !!!

 

[Bowen4Horses]

Hunting with dogs is the biggest political issue in Britain today.

ha ha ha. whatever side of the argument someone is on, they have to laugh at this comment. what a ridiculous load of cr*p. please don't be so narrow minded.

whilst i'm sure it's a serious issue for you, please have the brains to acknowledge there are far more pressing political issues in the world!

 

[guido16]

[quotebeleive you me the vast majority of the British public hate the people associated with fox hunting.

If any Government seeks to bring it back they will be immediately ousted by a massive groundswell of popular anger. [/quote]

Yup, you have confirmed what I thought. You really are in cloud cuckoo land.

So the VAST majority HATE people associated with fox hunting?

Really? Can I see your evidence to back that up please?

And by that, I would like to see evidence of the HATE.

 

[Bunce]

The IFAW poll clearly found that most people view fox hunting as equivalent to dog fighting and badger baiting. These are the simple irrefutable facts.

 

[guido16]

The IFAW poll clearly found that most people view fox hunting as equivalent to dog fighting and badger baiting. These are the simple irrefutable facts.

So supporters of IFAW did a poll and came to this decision.

Did the poll ask them if they "HATED people connected to hunting"?

Was that a specific question?

You havent really answered my question.

I asked you where the evidence was that "The majority of the public hated people connected to hunting"

I didnt ask you if most people view fox hunting as equivalent to dog fighting and badger baiting.

 

[Hebegebe]

The IFAW poll did not ask people if they thought fox hunting was equated to dog fighting. You cannot draw that conclusion.

 

[Bowen4Horses]

the IFAW poll will obviously show a more 'anti' approach, it is not representative of the general public, so you cannot generalise from their results.
I am not pro-hunting, but i am astounded by the level of ignorance and aggression shown by the 'antis' on this forum -to the extent i would be embarrassed to call myself an 'anti'. and instead i find myself agreeing with the 'pros' even if i disagree with their cause!

 

[Hebegebe]

I agree with you.

Take zigzag constantly calling me a liar even though he has no basis for the claim.

When they cannot make a sensible argument they just start making things up.

 

[guido16]

i`m just astounded by Bunce thinking that the general public care more about fox hunting than the recession and the problems it causes individuals.

 

[Hebegebe]

It is important to the antis cause to maintain the myth that the ban has overwhelming support

 

[guido16]

The funny thing is that even before they have found out which "side" people are on, they still come across with the above mentioned attitude.

Its actually a sure fire way of not gaining any more support from people!

 

[zigzagzig]

Eagle_day, I really hope you're nothing like your online persona. You're the most miserable, grumpy, humourless person I've ever encountered on the net. Apart from that you're great.

 

[Hebegebe]

Quite the opposite ZZ I think we are all having a jolly good chortle at your, sls and b's expense :grin: :grin:

 

[zigzagzig]

So far, Giles, we've nailed two of your lies, namely that you don't chase deer and your lie that I approve of flushing deer to teams of guns. Let's nail some more...

1. You say on the labourspace site: "I feel a great affinity towards these deer especially the red deer. My control methods are extremely gentle." Yet you also boast elsewhere about using your dogs to keep deer at bay. How is this "extremely gentle"? It's deliberately frightening the deer. Moreover, what right have you got to lecture us about an animal welfare law when you're needlessly cruel to animals?

2. You claim that the ruling in the cases up to the House of Lords in which you were an appellant support your contention that flushing out deer away from your copse contravenes the Hunting Act. I think you're lying. Why not prove me wrong by citing the relevant passages from the judgments? The cases are online so it'll be easy to provide a link.

3. Re your bizarre claim that the Chernobyl disaster was an ecological "godsend". At first you tried to justify your potty stance with references to so-called academic studies, then youchanged it to "I was just trying to start a debate". Now you've changed it again to a "piss take". This shows that even weirdo fanatics like yourself, when confronted with the loony reality of what they're saying, can have a sudden self-illuminating insight into their dementia. Sadly, in your case, you subsequently try to lie your way out of your embarrassment by insisting it was just a silly wind-up. Pathetico.

 

[Hebegebe]

Fuc ing hell you are such a boring t##t :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

It doesn't say I don't chase deer anywhere. We've established that'#s just you bullshitting.

1) What I do is not cruel to animals and you support int being legal.

2) I don't think the Govt's detailed arguments are on the net actually xxx

 

[zigzagzig]

We'll take that as three more "nails" then.