Overwhelming support for the ban

[Hebegebe]

yiu can shove it up your arisole mate

 

[Bunce]

We'll take that as three more "nails" then.

What I don;pt understand about your position is that you accept that he is being cruel by deliberately flushing out, chasing and making deer stand at bay and yet you go to such extraordinary lengths to argue that it is not illegal.

 

[Hebegebe]

Why is making a deer stand at bay cruel. It selects a suitable place - in both cases a stream and turns to face the dogs to fight them.

In both instances it had no chance of being hurt because it is far bigger than the dogs.

Have you seen the antlers on a stag???

My dogs do much the same to cattle and sheep without any cruelty.

What do you think is likely to happen to it? Have it's throat ripped out?

Standing at Bay is completely natural for a rd deer stag.

 

[Bunce]

well it is cruel and it is also illegal to flush bout, chase and make deer stand at bay for your own sick and deranged pleasure.

 

[Hebegebe]

If what i do is cruel then why do POWA describe it as 'harmless' and declare the law against it an 'anomally' and say that I should not be prosecuted for breaking it?

 

[zigzagzig]

So you think flushing out deer from your copse, then subsequently using your dogs to chase them (when they're already away from said copse and not harming it) and then hold them at bay is "extremely gentle"? Another lie!

The House of Lords judgment IS online. It is the judgment only which has any weight in terms of legal authority. Give me a link to where the Lord Lords interpret the Hunting Act as you do. You of course won't be able to, because once again you were lying.

You even lied when you said you would henceforth ignore my posts if I called you a liar. LIAR! Put me on ignore, Braddy, then at least you won't have to take any more punishment from my posts!

 

[Hebegebe]

So you think flushing out deer from your copse, then subsequently using your dogs to chase them (when they're already away from said copse and not harming it) and then hold them at bay is "extremely gentle"? Another lie!

Yes I do. Certainly in comparision to the alternatives of shooting the deer. That's kind of the whole point.

In the court case the Government argued that the law made what i do illegal unless I shoot the deer. The case was about whether that contravened my human rights. The judgment was that it didn't

 

[Hebegebe]

Nope not abiding by a promise is not a lie.

You seem to have very little command over the English language.

 

[zigzagzig]

Fine, if you're right, it'll be easy enough to point me to where the Lord Lord says this. If you don't I'm afraid you'll have been caught out making porky pies again.

I'll await the link with interest.

 

[Bunce]

The POWA position is that simply flushing out deer with collies is harmless. The law should ideally be changed so it only targets hunts and then prevents them going out at all into the countryside.

That ios the only way that hunts can be got rid of.

 

[Hebegebe]

Why should I put you on UI I am enjoying laughing at the fact you are such a dick head.

 

[Hebegebe]

I am pointing out the consequence of the judgment.

Point out where it says on labourspace I say I do not chase deer.

Or are you just a lying dick brain?

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

 

[Bunce]

It doesn't say you don't chase deer. We have established that fact already.

Why do you keep going back to that?

 

[Bunce]

The central contention of the LabourSpace campaign that it should be legal for people to flush out deer without shooting them is one that all sensible people reject.

 

[Hebegebe]

but ZZ LR SL and POWA all accept that this part of the law is completely wrong.

 

[zigzagzig]

For the umpteenth time, here is what you say:

"I feel a great affinity towards these deer especially the red deer. My control methods are extremely gentle. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE DEER EVEN TO BE CHASED [my caps]. It is extremely important to me that they do not suffer nor are harmed. What I do causes the animals no more disturbance than any one else does by walking dogs through woodland."

The vast majority of people reading this would conclude that you don't chase the deer.

 

[Bunce]

but he doesn;t actually say he doesn't chase the deer as you claim. her makes it clear that he does chase the deer. So let's put that one to rest shall we?

The simple truth is that flushing out and chasing deer as described by Bradshaw on the LabourSpace campaign is against the law.

Do you accept that?

 

[zigzagzig]

I think we should all be grateful when Tim posts if he spares us his boasts about his perfect Danish or his oh-so-interesting military anecdotes... What a snooze-inducer!

 

[Hebegebe]

but he doesn;t actually say he doesn't chase the deer as you claim. her makes it clear that he does chase the deer. So let's put that one to rest shall we?

The simple truth is that flushing out and chasing deer as described by Bradshaw on the LabourSpace campaign is against the law.

Do you accept that?

I think I am right5 in saying that he thinks it is still legal to flush out and chase deer with more than two dogs.

 

[Bunce]

Well I am afraind that ZigZagZig does not have a clue what he is talking about.

 

[Eagle_day]

"If any Government seeks to bring it back they will be immediately ousted by a massive groundswell of popular anger."

But it's no secret that the new Conservative government will allow a free vote to repeal the Hunting Act, and yet the Tories are leading Labour by 17 or 18% in the polls. There is no 'massive groundswell of popular anger'.

Earth to Bunce

Earth to Bunce

 

[zigzagzig]

Four words to strike fear into the hearts of everyone: David Cameron, Prime Minister...

 

[Scratchline]

why are the tories so far ahead in the polls then if it's such a big issue for people?

Sorry, had toothache ) The Tory lead has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. Any sugestion that it has is ludicrous bud )

 

[Hebegebe]

That wasn't the question though.

You made out that huinting was this huge issue that was hugely important to most people. If it is why are the tories so popular.

If they wanted to legalise child rape then they wouldn't be ahead in the polls.

 

[zigzagzig]

Exactly, pros see the tories' lead in the polls and wet themselves with excitement because they equate it with repealing the ban. What they're forgetting is that once Dave is PM and the ban has been discarded, we'll have... Dave as PM, plus a third-rate team of politicos who look tired even before they've entered office.

 

[rafferty]

eagle day

they are allowing a free vote the same as labour did and the outcome will be the same the ban will remain in place for better or worse.

 

[rafferty]

You're stating the obvious but it needed to be said

 

[rafferty]

Hebegebe

off topic, do pedigree really ?

 

[Eagle_day]

Believe what you like, but in this case you're wrong.

The new intake are very grateful for the support they have and will receive. Many of those who voted for the ban will be out of office; Tony Banks is dead and buried; and so will be the Hunting Act.

 

[rafferty]

Well I'm sure we all agree the sooner we have an election the better.
I'm not saying this from a pro or anti point of view, I just think a Tory victory won't necessarily spell an end to the ban.

Time will tell