Oy, you with the arthritic mare ......

Moomin1 said:
I would bet my last pound that if this thread was about a travellers horse in that condition, most of the responses would have been a whole lot different.
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Mine wouldn't have been. My posts were not about the horse. I've already said I would probably agree with cpt on that score. It was the sheer arrogance I posted about. The "oy you" and the PUT YOUR HORSE TO SLEEP.
 
Moomin1 said:
I would bet my last pound that if this thread was about a travellers horse in that condition, most of the responses would have been a whole lot different.
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This situation with People of the mobile kind is entirely different, there have been many a news in the last 12 months where they have dumped/ thrown in the river horses they no longer want or drown.

We are referring to a family pet which is loved and may have been in the family for years. Whether the owner needs educating in the welfare or whats best is down to those involved, it would be different if the horse was out on the moors not being checked upon daily. Here on this thread where does it say someone knows exactly why this mare is lame??

Maybe there is another reason why this mare is lame!! The mare maybe being treated by a vet for the unrelated reason, its so easy to pass judgement on a horse you see from the car window, and you nothing about the history. If OP was concerned then speak to those who have the powers to act on the facts not pass judgement on what they see.


I lost count how many time "F"'s owner was reported because the pony thin and ribby. Once "WHW"/RSPCA came to view and found pony was being cared for albeit thin, and she was still enjoying life even though she was 36, they took no further action.
The facts ought to be addressed before passing judgement on someones horse on an open forum.

In one sense I hope the owner does she this and reports it to H&H and asks this thread to be removed. Then the matter is left to the owner and yard manager/ vet to ensure the best scenario is given to this poor horse based on what the vet finds or recommends to the owner.
 
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HGA-12 said:
This situation with People of the mobile kind is entirely different, there have been many a news in the last 12 months where they have dumped/ thrown in the river horses they no longer want or drown.

We are referring to a family pet which is loved and may have been in the family for years. Whether the owner needs educating in the welfare or whats best is down to those involved, it would be different if the horse was out on the moors not being checked upon daily. Here on this thread where does it say someone knows exactly why this mare is lame??

Maybe there is another reason why this mare is lame!! The mare maybe being treated by a vet for the unrelated reason, its so easy to pass judgement on a horse you see from the car window, and you nothing about the history. If OP was concerned then speak to those who have the powers to act on the facts not pass judgement on what they see.


I lost count how many time "F"'s owner was reported because the pony thin and ribby. Once "WHW"/RSPCA came to view and found pony was being cared for albeit thin, and she was still enjoying life even though she was 36, they took no further action.
The facts ought to be addressed before passing judgement on someones horse on an open forum.

In one sense I hope the owner does she this and reports it to H&H and asks this thread to be removed. Then the matter is left to the owner and yard manager/ vet to ensure the best scenario is given to this poor horse based on what the vet finds or recommends to the owner.
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I'm sorry, but having been heavily involved in frontline welfare work for eight years, then I completely disagree. There are no more cases whatsoever of the travelling community neglecting animals than there are the non travelling community. In fact, I would say the scales tip the balance more on the non travelling community. And many of the cases are of people who 'think' they know what's best for their horse, when in fact they are blinded by love for them.

As I said in my previous post, I don't disagree with many points made on this thread. One being that the appropriate authorities should be notified rather than a thread being made about it. However, my point is, that many of these posters who are up in arms about this thread being made, are actually the very ones who are quick to post strongly on threads about travellers horses in fields of ragwort etc....nothing like a bit of hypocrisy. I very rarely see on this forum anyone writing "We shouldn't be quick to judge the travellers for a horse that is lame and underweight, we don't know the full story".....
 
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Sometimes there is more to life than meets the eye. A few years ago someone on my yard took too long to say goodbye to her 4 legged friends and yes it was uncomfortable to watch however she'd had an awful few years personally and the horse had been her reason for getting out of bed and she couldn't face not having her to lean on. Does it make what she did right? No, probably not. But having everyone tell her she needed to get rid asap and making her feel pressured could well have been the straw that broke the camels back and ultimately it had to be her decision and nobody else's so that the owner could move forward with her life. I'm not saying allowing an animal to suffer is right just that sometimes it better not to pass judgement without knowing the full story.
 
horseygirl1688 said:
Sometimes there is more to life than meets the eye. A few years ago someone on my yard took too long to say goodbye to her 4 legged friends and yes it was uncomfortable to watch however she'd had an awful few years personally and the horse had been her reason for getting out of bed and she couldn't face not having her to lean on. Does it make what she did right? No, probably not. But having everyone tell her she needed to get rid asap and making her feel pressured could well have been the straw that broke the camels back and ultimately it had to be her decision and nobody else's so that the owner could move forward with her life. I'm not saying allowing an animal to suffer is right just that sometimes it better not to pass judgement without knowing the full story.
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I'm sorry but ultimately the decision is not the owners' when an animal is suffering, whatever the owner's circumstances. Sad though that may be for the owner.

I agree fully that people should not pass judgement without knowing the full story - and that goes back to my point about the travellers and peoples' automatic reactions to threads about them - complete difference in this thread than those posted about coloured cobs looking thin in a field etc.
 
Always so sad to see horses struggling and not be able to do much. Hopefully your call to the relevent people will set the ball rolling.

As for everything else....it's always quite funny to see the responses to cptrayes posts ...people really need to move on lol :D
 
Moomin1 said:
I'm sorry but ultimately the decision is not the owners' when an animal is suffering, whatever the owner's circumstances. Sad though that may be for the owner.

I agree fully that people should not pass judgement without knowing the full story - and that goes back to my point about the travellers and peoples' automatic reactions to threads about them - complete difference in this thread than those posted about coloured cobs looking thin in a field etc.
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Whose decision is it?
BHS, WHW, RSCPA, your vet, my vet?
And who gets the casting vote when all parties cannot agree?
 
horseygirl1688 said:
Sometimes there is more to life than meets the eye. A few years ago someone on my yard took too long to say goodbye to her 4 legged friends and yes it was uncomfortable to watch however she'd had an awful few years personally and the horse had been her reason for getting out of bed and she couldn't face not having her to lean on. Does it make what she did right? No, probably not. But having everyone tell her she needed to get rid asap and making her feel pressured could well have been the straw that broke the camels back and ultimately it had to be her decision and nobody else's so that the owner could move forward with her life. I'm not saying allowing an animal to suffer is right just that sometimes it better not to pass judgement without knowing the full story.
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It's a rough old life, but I don't think you can justify compromising on a horse's welfare for the happiness of a miserable person - she cannot have been happy knowing what pain she was putting her horse through, for her own gratification. I don't honestly know what I would do if I were on a yard with a horse who was really suffering and an owner refusing to put it down. I don't agree with the way CPT has gone about raising the issue, but equally I am completely in agreement that an issue needed raising.

We're a bit past the days of "not my monkey" now surely? I hate to get involved where things aren't my business but I won't sit and watch an animal suffer.
 
_HP_ said:
Always so sad to see horses struggling and not be able to do much. Hopefully your call to the relevent people will set the ball rolling.

As for everything else....it's always quite funny to see the responses to cptrayes posts ...people really need to move on lol :D
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Well I don't think the OP is even reading the posts any more. Can't say I blame her. People who bear grudges over petty forum disputes really just don't have a life. What a small world they must live in. I know I have clashed with many on here. I had a major dispute with the OP at one point. But I can't remember most of the people I have clashed with on here; forum life is just not that important to me. Sadly though, it appears that to many, it is their whole life, and these kinds of threads make them shine out like beacons. :biggrin3:
 
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Moomin1 said:
I'm sorry but ultimately the decision is not the owners' when an animal is suffering, whatever the owner's circumstances. Sad though that may be for the owner.

I agree fully that people should not pass judgement without knowing the full story - and that goes back to my point about the travellers and peoples' automatic reactions to threads about them - complete difference in this thread than those posted about coloured cobs looking thin in a field etc.
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^^^^this, however we can't assume the owner of this lame, arthritic, and deteriorating horse will read this thread AND take action, so really OP should DO something positive, not this............ the owner might just move the poor animal away from the road.................
 
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Bede said:
Whose decision is it?
BHS, WHW, RSCPA, your vet, my vet?
And who gets the casting vote when all parties cannot agree?
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It's not WHW, RSPCA, BHS's decision or the owners ultimately - it's a vet and the police if a horse is suffering and the owner will not address that suffering. So it matters not if all of the parties disagree.
 
Bede said:
Whose decision is it?
BHS, WHW, RSCPA, your vet, my vet?
And who gets the casting vote when all parties cannot agree?
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Never been in that situation personally , the RSPCA could PTS a suffering horse ( the vet would be the one who would make the decision )with the agreement of the police the owner would then probably face prosecution .
Horses certainly get PTS against the owners wishes I have only come across that in big rescues with lots of horses being taken .
 
Wagtail said:
Well I don't think the OP is even reading the posts any more. Can't say I blame her. People who bear grudges over petty forum disputes really just don't have a life. What a small world they must live in. I know I have clashed with many on here. I had a major dispute with the OP at one point. But I can't remember most of the people I have clashed with on here; forum life is just not that important to me. Sadly though, it appears that to many, it is their whole life, and these kinds of threads make them shine out like beacons. :biggrin3:
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Just about says it all.
 
AdorableAlice said:
Let's assume (dangerous I know), that the call has been made to the relevant authorities by now.

Let's hope the owner has not seen this disrespectful thread, let's hope the owner is in need of guidance rather than elderly, ill or challenged in any other way and let's hope the animal can have it's needs met quickly.
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The only thing disrespectful about this thread is the anti-CPtrayes brigade who have an obvious axe to grind. I've now received an infartion - I mean an infraction - for my post which included alternative names for CP - meant in jest, hell, my initials are BS - a deliberate decision, but hey ho.
 
blazingsaddles said:
The only thing disrespectful about this thread is the anti-CPtrayes brigade who have an obvious axe to grind. I've now received an infartion - I mean an infraction - for my post which included alternative names for CP - meant in jest, hell, my initials are BS - a deliberate decision, but hey ho.
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Sorry to hear that, BS.
 
Bonkers2 said:
^^^^this, however we can't assume the owner of this lame, arthritic, and deteriorating horse will read this thread AND take action, so really OP should DO something positive, not this............ the owner might just move the poor animal away from the road.................
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The horse world's a small one and I'm willing to bet everyone in it at least knows someone who knows someone who reads HHO. The horse's location been generally stated, I think the message will reach them soon enough if it hasn't already.

You are right though, they don't have to respond the way the op wants them to. ETA Thinking about it, they might be a total psycho who's pretty p'd off about the message. Maybe you should have just anonymously reported it for your own sake OP, even if you weren't bothered about upsetting them?
 
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Flame_ said:
The horse world's a small one and I'm willing to bet everyone in it at least knows someone who knows someone who reads HHO. The horse's location been generally stated, I think the message will reach them soon enough if it hasn't already.

You are right though, they don't have to respond the way the op wants them to.
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Good point.
Even if the message does somehow get back to the owner, the assumption is that they will just take it on the chin and have the horse put down. But we don't even know the full story so we really can't assume that this will be the outcome.

I have had no contact with people from equine charities but I'd be surprised if they opened a conversation with 'oy you!' and then going on to tell the owner to have the horse put down without listening to anything anyone had to say.

I knew someone who had an elderly horse - not far off his time, but not in pain- and was devastated when a very rude woman described her as 'dead cruel' before saying 'I speak my mind and if you don't like it that's tough. GERRIT SHOT.' Owner reacted simply by moving away immediately. No idea what happened to the horse but if that woman thought that the owner - who'd had that horse for over 30 years - was just going to say 'oh right yes, OK then, I'll book the knackerman right now', she was very much mistaken. There are ways and means of speaking g to people to get the best outcome all round.
 
Nancykitt said:
As I said earlier, people who can't take it shouldn't give it. Anyone who takes the decision to say something controversial cannot reasonably then complain about the backlash.
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Yes but there is backlash and then there is unpleasant, unkind and very personal backlash. Some of the people on this forum can get quite nasty with the things they say when there is no need for it.
 
applecart14 said:
Yes but there is backlash and then there is unpleasant, unkind and very personal backlash. Some of the people on this forum can get quite nasty with the things they say when there is no need for it.
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Are you suggesting that "OY YOU WITH THE ARTHRITIC MARE ... PUT IT TO SLEEP is neither unpleasant, unkind or very personal?
 
Funnily enough, I spend my life rolling my eyes at people complainging about "thin" cobs in traveller's fields too... They're rarely "thin", in my experience (round here anyway - perhaps we have a better class of traveller?!).

I love the idea that this forum is anybody's "life" - good grief, that would be a depressing reality :D
 
JFTD said:
Funnily enough, I spend my life rolling my eyes at people complainging about "thin" cobs in traveller's fields too... They're rarely "thin", in my experience (round here anyway - perhaps we have a better class of traveller?!).

I love the idea that this forum is anybody's "life" - good grief, that would be a depressing reality :D
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Cyber riders perhaps ?
 
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