Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.

I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him. If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme. I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it. I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down, and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement. I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
 
we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys!
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Perhaps if you came up with a better argument than not having fantasies about cowboys - which incidentally has not so far been an accusation levelled at PP disciples - we might listen...... :D :D :D
 
suejs001 said:
You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.

I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him. If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme. I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it. I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down, and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement. I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
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I think the moron etc comments are aimed at the CLEARLY brainwashed people commenting on Linda's blog & on Facebook. Moron is the nicest word you could use for those people....
 
suejs001 said:
You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.

I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him. If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme. I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it. I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down, and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement. I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
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Firstly, not everyone has treated those who do Parelli like morons. I don't think the system is as good as it says by things I have seen during my life as a horsewoman.

What I DO object to is this, PP injured a horse through his actions. That is bad. It should not have happened, accident or not.

People I have met through Parelli treat those who don't do it as if THEY were morons, so it seems to be 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other, doesn't it?

They won't stop it and I doubt those who passionately don't like it will stop either.

If it works for you, thats great, and I can accept that, but my ways work for me, and the results are the horses themselves, in their health, attitudes to work and those handling them, and their general outlook on life.....
 
suejs001 said:
You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.

I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him. If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme. I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it. I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down, and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement. I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
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He is not Just any one doing PNH though and getting it wrong is he, he IS the BIG CHEESE , HE IS Mr Parrelli Natural Horsemanship.
 
suejs001 I take your point as tongue in cheek has said something very similar in another post.I know a quite sensible man who does like to use some of the Parelli ground work with his horse.He is not blinded by the Parellis and doesn't like the demos as he objects to the way that Pat is treated as some sort of God.Any organization can do good things and turn out good people and it can also turn out some poor and do some ill judged things.I think that what most people are against is what happened on Saturday night.Some of the Parelli posts haven't helped by saying that basically if you don't agree with everything Pat Parelli does you are basically stupid.Then, of course, there is the commercialism.If Pat wasn't treated as a God there would have been some room for maneovre for him on Saturday which would have benefitted everyone, especially poor Catwalk.
 
Off the thread and haven't read everything but if I was trying to do something to a horse that was funny about his head/ears and may go up....I would wear a bit of PPE!
 
suejs001 said:
You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.
'Kick it on' horsewomen? This shows a basic misunderstanding of how we treat our horses in the UK. On the other hand, Pepperoni people over here tell us that we don't understand, love or know how to 'read' our horses and that their way is the only way. No need to put blinkers on the horses, these people are already wearing them. Practice and preach my dear.


I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him.
I don't doubt your intelligence nor your taking 'Exception' see my paragraph above re practice and preach. You may never treat a horse that way, yet your esteemed leader DID choose to do so.

If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme.

But surely, this is HIS programme, again practice and preach

I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it.
Oh dear I do hate to repeat myself BUT Practice and Preach


I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down,


Thank for your not bErating us but again you are surmising that everyone who practices 'conventional' means does this - hate to tell you this but you are SO wrong on so many levels

and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement.
This would make complete sense, however, repeating myself again, it was the head honcho who chose to use this very violent and non natural method, so yes it is entirely natural to blame the method HE started for his mistakes

I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
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Now then, I am very glad that parelli works for your horse and I am so glad he loves it.

I think people will stop treating parelli followers like morons when they stop treating us the same way. Sadly there ARE many many morons who follow this path and they look down on anyone who does not practice their way, these, in the main tend to be novice horse owners and this is what gets peoples' backs up tbh. I would be the first to admit that I do use some of the things PP preaches, some of them are very old fashioned horsesense and I am not for one moment insinuating that you are one of these sheep, one thing I would say though is that just like PP accuses others of, his followers need to be more open minded.

Regarding 'nastyness' this is actually in response to what we perceive to be horse abuse, people are very very upset and angry, there is no defence or perhaps you could offer some words in defence of the great man, other than 'you don't understand the concept' now THAT is patronizing
 
SirenaXVI said:
Now then, I am very glad that parelli works for your horse and I am so glad he loves it.

I think people will stop treating parelli followers like morons when they stop treating us the same way. Sadly there ARE many many morons who follow this path and they look down on anyone who does not practice their way, these, in the main tend to be novice horse owners and this is what gets peoples' backs up tbh. I would be the first to admit that I do use some of the things PP preaches, some of them are very old fashioned horsesense and I am not for one moment insinuating that you are one of these sheep, one thing I would say though is that just like PP accuses others of, his followers need to be more open minded.

Regarding 'nastyness' this is actually in response to what we perceive to be horse abuse, people are very very upset and angry, there is no defence or perhaps you could offer some words in defence of the great man, other than 'you don't understand the concept' now THAT is patronizing
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Agree 100% - thanks for taking the time to type all of that out - my own reply was going to be much shorter (not nearly as well explained as your version!) and probably not very tactful!

ETS - I tried to quote the whole thing, quotes & all but for some reason it didn't quite work!
 
suejs001 said:
You so called 'kick it on' conventional horse women are making it sound that anyone who has made an informed decision to try something other as bubble heads who don't have a brain cell to rub together with no horse knowledge what so ever.

I am an intelligent educated horse woman, I take acception to what your comments insinuate about anyone who takes a different approach. I would never treat my horse in such a way as to rope him and cut him to get him to the ground to bridle him. If Pat Parelli did this for demo purposes then that is his issue and not the people who follow the programme. I would suggest you stop being so discriminating against those who choose to work their horse in a different method than that of convention just because you don't believe in it. I do not birate you for the way you choose to lunge your horse tied down in side reins or ride with your horses mouth tied down, and ... how very patronising of you to suggest the only reason we follow PNH is because of Levis, Stetsons and spurs, I personally can't stand all that nonsense, I choose PNH to help my horse when other methods have made him exceptionally unhappy and we were getting no where, I am the bigger person for taking a less popular route and trying something different for the sake of my horse. Do not critisize EVERYONE for one persons misjudgement. I really do wonder about the nastiness of people in the horse world at times. It is nothing more than bullying. You should be ashamed of yourselves for using forums such as this to treat other horsey people like they are the lowest of the low because of the methods in horse training that they use. My horse loves parelli and if he didn't like it I would not do it. He loves his 7 games and the fun and the challenge of playing with a big ball, tarp cones and working on puzzles. All of this helps him and if it helps him then it is not a bad thing. SO PLEASE STOP CRITISIZING THE PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE PARELLI AND TREATING US LIKE WE ARE MORONS. :mad: take up the issues you have with the demo by all means, but do not treat anyone who chooses this training method as if they have some disease.... a great many of us have worked with horses and had horses for a long time, we are not stupid or thick or suffering with a mid life crisis where we are so hormonal that we are fantacising about cowboys! P L E A S E ... :confused:
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The thing is Sue, Parelli is over marketed, hyped up and designed to appeal to people. hence they are willing to purchase such ridiculous things as left handed lunge ropes! And part with a lot of money to follow the games. Even the terminology- games, savvy, etc- all clever marketing.

YOU DONT NEED ALL THAT! All you need is common sense, patience, feel, and a regular training programme and you can teach a horse to do anything. Theres nothing wrong at all in following a training programme! But it is wrong when the founders of a 'system' have repeatedly used dubious methods on horses for their own financial gain and showmanship- dressed up as being for the horses benefit.They repeatedly write things such as twitching, roping, etc are wrong then proceed to doing just those things. Then when people have a go they say that you dont understand, dont have savvy and they think they saw something that didnt happen. They become arrogant and patronising and the wheels of marketing go into motion again to release heavily edited videos of 'lovely' scenes like Pat having lunch with the horse. People like having lunch together- not horses. Again, another clever marketing ploy to appeal to people. Well im not that silly.

They are surrounded by their own hype, they have a very clever marketing team. But people are starting to see through it for what it is- money making. Nothing wrong with making money BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE HORSE.

Of course some of their system works- spend enough time with any horse with a stepwise progression of training and you can teach it to jump through a hoop of fire. So by all means play your games, teach a horse to play with a ball or whatever but do yourself a favour and use your imagination- instead of financially supporting a team that really dont have the horses best interests at heart at all. You dont need to do that. Then maybe horses wont have to suffer gumlines, legs tied with ropes, etc in the name of demonstrations and teaching people how to bridle a horse. Its all wrong
 
i have no problem with people practising parelli - or any other forms of 'horsemanship' - what should i care what you do if it works for you? i'm not saying i would do it but each to their own - live and let live and all that jazz - i've worked with gauchos to NH's practitioners - i use what works for me and my nag - i don't condone anyone who uses different methods to mine - hell - if i had a different horse I'D prob use different methodfs as one will not work for every horse

i respect people such as tounge-in-cheek - what i don't respect are the hoards of parelli devotees currently "praying" for me on facebook because i can't see the light - i would not respect ANYONE who blindling follows a 'faith' without questioning it - fine defend it if you belive in it - but these people can't even seem to be able to do that - they just chant 'you don't see or understand' ffs
 
posie_honey said:
what i don't respect are the hoards of parelli devotees currently "praying" for me on facebook because i can't see the light
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That is the funniest thing I've heard for ages - are they really 'praying' for the non-believers?!

Well to all those who have seen the light - don't bother praying for me - I don't believe in God either!
 
Sarah1 said:
That is the funniest thing I've heard for ages - are they really 'praying' for the non-believers?!

Well to all those who have seen the light - don't bother praying for me - I don't believe in God either!
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yes - they are praying for us....

bless them
 
Sarah1 said:
That is the funniest thing I've heard for ages - are they really 'praying' for the non-believers?!

Well to all those who have seen the light - don't bother praying for me - I don't believe in God either!
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ahhhh they'd love me, Atheist AND Anti-PNH ;)

The brainwashed people commenting on FB and Linda's blog sicken me almost as much as the video does
 
Kokopelli said:
I meant they didn't cut out all the bad parts like in the previous video posted on youtube, sorry for the misunderstanding
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Sorry I read it wrong then.. It's certainly different from the official Parelli video, isn't it?

I would actually like to be able to watch the full session though.
 
This is what was advertised on the web site of FOTH about Parelli:

Parelli Pavilion

The Royal Festival of the Horse is delighted to welcome Pat and Linda Parelli. The Parelli programme stands alone as the world’s first step-by-step, learn at your own pace horse/human development programme. It was Linda and Pat Parelli who coined the often used phrase ‘natural horsemanship’ and today they command the largest number of followers around the globe.

The Parelli method allows horse lovers at all levels and disciplines to achieve success without force, partnership without dominance, teamwork without fear, willingness without intimidation, and harmony without coercion. The Parelli programme combines common sense psychology and communication. The Parelli method teaches the human, not the horse.

Come along to the Parelli Pavilion at the Festival, open to all Festival visitors on Friday and Saturday. The Parelli Pavilion allows you a chance to find out more about natural horsemanship. Why not treat yourself on Friday or Saturday night to one of the evening gala performances when Pat and Linda will be sharing their valuable experiences. For more information about Parelli visit www.parelli.com


Hmm

success without force - so I won't need to wrestle a horse?

partnership without dominance - so I won't need to twitch a horse until I leave marks on its gums and tie its head to its legs?

teamwork without fear - so I won't have my horse rear and back away from me and I won't have to work with my horse on its hang ups infront of a crowd of people?

willingness without intimidation - so I won't have to have 2 people chasing my horse and forcing it's head down so I can reach?

harmony without coercion - so I won't have to yank at my horse's head when I know he's head shy and I won't have to inflict injury on him, no matter how minor?

The Parelli method teaches the human, not the horse - so when I've abused my horse, caused him physical injury and unknown emotional trauma in front of a large crowd, it's all ok because it's in the name of education for all the people who have paid to watch me man handle, wrestle and dominate my horse?

Just a thought - if we were to do a survey of all the audience, I wonder how many people could honestly say that they had learnt something positive about how to handle horses!

Oh, and I forgot - as it says in the last paragaph - don't forge to "treat yourself" to the abuse

Unreal !!!!!!

FOTH, hang your head in shame!
 
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I was happy to accept that catwalk may have sustained a cut after someone said they saw it, now I wonder, did they see something they thought was a cut and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5?

Some say they were there when the vet examined Catwalk, again I ponder with so many people saying they were there how did the vet squeeze in?

Here is a statement from a 3* Profesional who is highly recommended. I have attended his courses and he is 110% for the horse, cares about each horse as an individual and gives it to you straight. Here is his statement.

I was with catwalk straight after the demo on Friday night, with Rob, and although I appreciate the demo was upsetting for a lot of people, catwalk did not break into a sweat, and was not injured in any way. I also spent the whole day watching Pat play with catwalk, with Rob, and was present when the vet came to see him, and can quote that the vet said there were no lesions, cuts or any damage to the horse whatsover. A second demo was never planned, and the horse was certainly not unfit to be helped the next day, and even competed on the Sunday. By 6 o'clock on Saturday, myself and Rob were able to bridle catwalk. I have spoken to Rob several times since and progress is great. Rob is very pleased and very apreciative of what Pat has done, and we have now helped several horses that they were unable to. Rob will continue to use our help and is very grateful.

There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding what was said by the vets, and what has been done. If anyone is interested in hearing what was said and what was done on the Saturday, please feel free to call me.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, which we should respect, but some facts seem to be fabricated. Apart from myself, Rob, linda, neil and Sue, and Pat, no one else was present, which is why it would be impossible for anyone to have heard the vets report, so it has been made up.

I will not get time to visit the forum again, so if you have any comments, questions or confusions, please call me.

Thanks for Reading,

James Roberts

I have James phone number and email address if you wish to call him.
 
KS1 said:
I was happy to accept that catwalk may have sustained a cut after someone said they saw it, now I wonder, did they see something they thought was a cut and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5?

Some say they were there when the vet examined Catwalk, again I ponder with so many people saying they were there how did the vet squeeze in?

Here is a statement from a 3* Profesional who is highly recommended. I have attended his courses and he is 110% for the horse, cares about each horse as an individual and gives it to you straight. Here is his statement.

I was with catwalk straight after the demo on Friday night, with Rob, and although I appreciate the demo was upsetting for a lot of people, catwalk did not break into a sweat, and was not injured in any way. I also spent the whole day watching Pat play with catwalk, with Rob, and was present when the vet came to see him, and can quote that the vet said there were no lesions, cuts or any damage to the horse whatsover. A second demo was never planned, and the horse was certainly not unfit to be helped the next day, and even competed on the Sunday. By 6 o'clock on Saturday, myself and Rob were able to bridle catwalk. I have spoken to Rob several times since and progress is great. Rob is very pleased and very apreciative of what Pat has done, and we have now helped several horses that they were unable to. Rob will continue to use our help and is very grateful.

There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding what was said by the vets, and what has been done. If anyone is interested in hearing what was said and what was done on the Saturday, please feel free to call me.

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, which we should respect, but some facts seem to be fabricated. Apart from myself, Rob, linda, neil and Sue, and Pat, no one else was present, which is why it would be impossible for anyone to have heard the vets report, so it has been made up.

I will not get time to visit the forum again, so if you have any comments, questions or confusions, please call me.

Thanks for Reading,

James Roberts

I have James phone number and email address if you wish to call him.
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The first thing that jumps out at me from that statement is that there was no demo planned for Catwalk on the Saturday, this is blatantly not true, the Parelli's themselves stated that the demo would continue on Saturday, their website confirmed this. If the vet said that there was no lesion, why then are the BHS investigating?
 
TBH i dont care whether there were cuts or not. (well i do, but you get what i mean in a mo). The fact is, excess force and un-needed tools were used on clearly confused horse, for a problem that could have been sorted out without it.

BHS state the vet DID say the horse was un-able to continue in further demos. Who's lieing?

RW should never ever have stood aside and let what happened happen. He now has his buddies to essentially say he was right.


Still, PP is nothing better than dirt on my shoe to me.
 
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