Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

jahseh said:
I am sure that the parelli people would not recommend you went home and tried this with a horse, but as for saying they shouldn't have done it because someone might go home and copy them, well then maybe you shouldn't jump cross country at any other level than a twig because a novice might copy you etc. etc..
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There is a HUGE difference between a competition and a DEMONSTRATION. People go to a demonstration to LEARN or to get information.

So, what did people learn from this event? It would be nice to think that they learned what NOT to do but judging from the drivel on the Parelli site most of his followers think that what went on was just fine and dandy
 
Was any body at the parelli sunday demo?

A friend told me that LP announced Parelli had been invited to present at some official FEI dressage meeting/talks, could this be true???

Apparently after LP announced this PP started chanting 'we're gonna change the world, we're gonna change the world'

Well I hope I does change the world of mr P after that terrible example of 'natural horsemanship':mad:

It would be nice to hear a viewpoint of one of a parelli official or instructor on here.....
 
I have attended a Parelli demo, many years ago now, and I must admit under duress. I was bored rigid by the constant marketing and hard sell of all the products associated with the whole shabang. I thought at the time that PP was just a bit of a prat with a lot of business savvy but nothing else and I have to say looking at this video, is it just me, or does he look totally ill at ease with the horse. I can't understand the hero worship of this guy, for goodness sake it is just a business. I have followed the very nasty videos and cannot for the life of me understand why anybody would give these people their money. There are enough real horsemen and women in this country who actually care and know what they are doing. It is all just cynical marketing and I am afraid people are so gullible thesedays they just accept the **** that is dished out to them and will pay a fortune for it. My main concern is how many horses are scarred by this trash. Why
on earth is he allowed to peddle this rubbish and nastiness is beyond me, someone should have prosecuted him for cruelty a long time ago. Nasty people and nasty business.
 
Having just watched the real footage it makes for horrible viewing and PP is very lucky he wasn't double barrelled (what he deserved). How what he did was meant to help I'll never understand. Any Horse that headshy needs very patient consistent work not a quick fix via a barbaric method. I wonder if the RSPCA are looking into this. They do work closely with the BHS so hopefully they are. Expose them for the abuse and their rip-off cult as well.
 
I hope the RSPCA are - I contacted them about it yesterday, but like I say, it will help if more people do complain to them - 0300 1234 999. If it angers you, please contact them and make a complaint directly. sm x
 
drover said:
Was any body at the parelli sunday demo?

A friend told me that LP announced Parelli had been invited to present at some official FEI dressage meeting/talks, could this be true???
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ROFL!!! Sounds about right. They're probably going to sort the rollkur issue together!
 
shutterfoto said:
It's very simple though, this horse was trying to kill him and if he wouldn't have done what he has done with the horse (and risk his life), this horse might have put quite a number of people in the hospital and even worse, he might have killed some too.
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Baloney.
The horse was not trying to kill Parelli, more's the pity.

The horse was apparently not provided with a copy of the script for the evening's entertainment.
Parelli let his *enormous* ego get the better of him, and tried to force the issue.

I feel sorry for the horse.
 
ponydentist said:
I have information that after working with Catwalk for most of saturday, he will now readily acept a bridle and bit and will let ANYONE put it on and touch his head ears mouth etc.

A talented horse that wont be going to the dogs.

As I said the key to this is UNDERSTANDING.....there are those who "get it"......and those who "dont get it".

All those who who fasten your dog up to your lorry with a lead to restrain it or prevent it from doing something.....or put a muzzle on it coz it bites........look out .....you may be abusing your animals.
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bad info im afraid
 
Chrisnapthane

Let me just check my understanding.

You have personally seen inside Catwalk's mouth and seen the injury? You personally know that Catwalk is still headshy?

I don't doubt you at all, but I want to make sure I have not misunderstood your post. It's early and I'm tired.

How is Catwalk otherwise?

And thank you for posting
 
well im going to kindly bow out of further comments as im not sure where all this is going to go and a open forum maybe not best place to discuss it all....but one thing i dont tell lies as have no need too..the main point i wanted to put across was that if thats natural horsemanship then for me you can keep it.........but im sure everything will heal be it wounds or egos and feelings,,,,,,,,,there is people out there doing a lot worse and getting away with it too,thats not defending it mindst!
 
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Very interesting ^. But it really doesn't matter how many non-Parellites post about injury to the horse, poor/abusive handling, the minions will simply retort that there is a lack of understanding.

I think it was Baymareb that posted something I really agree with: what a crock to think that the way to work with a horse is to pretend to be another horse. Seriously, my horses (8 of them) can easily discern the difference between one of their pasture mates, me or one of my dogs. Whacking a horse under the chin with a metal clip isn't a "horse bite", it's a human whacking the horse under the chin with a metal clip.

If whoever posted THAT load of garbage has a horse that can be convinced it's a horse bite, I'm sorry but that is one seriously ignorant horse.
 
Are the BSJA going to do an investigation? Pat was not on his own up there.Its alright with me Whitaker was with him all the way.NOT an image the BSJA would want I would n't think.
 
I think that people whose horses have sore mouths/backs etc.Its USUALLY due to ignorance not to them setting themselves up as some sort of expert and giving lecture demos.
In the great scheme of things, of course the Parellis are not the cruellest people.Think of James Grey for one AND they is a great deal of brutality practiced in a lot of top compeition yards actually.
What was wrong though (apart from Catwalks treatment) is that it was a public deomonstration by a so called expert which was also leant credence by having one of our top show jumping families there lending his horse.
If people had seen that domonstrated by say circus people to show how they 'trained horses' or travellers at Appleby there would be a much wider outcry and that would include the Parelli people.
 
QR

Sorry, havent read the other replies, so not sure if this has already been asked.

Why is there so much 'stuff' (sticks, ropes, halters etc) you have to buy in Parelli? I dont know much about NH at all, so would be really interested to hear your response!

T_G
 
Bramley said:
I was at the demo and witnessed the abuse first hand. I confronted both Pat Parelli and Robert Whittaker and saw the cut caused by the gum line first hand. I would be more than happy to give evidence if a prossecution was taken up by any welfare body. As i am sure the Festival of the Horse vet would be.
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Bramley, please contact Lee Hackett at the WHW they are asking for witnessess to come forward.
 
Hi everybody, first time poster here. Fugly blog linked to this discussion today and I got to reading. Personally, I lost any faith in Parelli stuff after reading about their response as to why there were no helmets in use (during jumping) in Parelli training videos (some b.s. that Parelli trained horses are so 100% bomb proof that nothing bad could happen). Well, getting back to the point. Reading about this ordeal and the comments on trust reminded me of a podcast by John O'Leary that I watched recently. He has an older segment on dealing with a head-shy horse too, and a really old one on how to give oral wormer to a reluctant horse; but the new one is just so common-sensical, that I wanted to share it. Hope you like it.
http://www.horseproblems.com.au/podcast.html
Olga
 
drover said:
Was any body at the parelli sunday demo?

A friend told me that LP announced Parelli had been invited to present at some official FEI dressage meeting/talks, could this be true???

Apparently after LP announced this PP started chanting 'we're gonna change the world, we're gonna change the world'

Well I hope I does change the world of mr P after that terrible example of 'natural horsemanship':mad:

It would be nice to hear a viewpoint of one of a parelli official or instructor on here.....
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Have a look at Tongue'n'cheek's post, way back in this post but interesting perspective as she's Parelli trained. Also has a separate post on the forum re Parelli
 
thelwell_girl said:
QR

Sorry, havent read the other replies, so not sure if this has already been asked.

Why is there so much 'stuff' (sticks, ropes, halters etc) you have to buy in Parelli? I dont know much about NH at all, so would be really interested to hear your response!

T_G
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Eep, sorry, wrong post! :o
 
Lsrd1 said:
Very interesting ^. But it really doesn't matter how many non-Parellites post about injury to the horse, poor/abusive handling, the minions will simply retort that there is a lack of understanding.

I think it was Baymareb that posted something I really agree with: what a crock to think that the way to work with a horse is to pretend to be another horse. Seriously, my horses (8 of them) can easily discern the difference between one of their pasture mates, me or one of my dogs. Whacking a horse under the chin with a metal clip isn't a "horse bite", it's a human whacking the horse under the chin with a metal clip.

If whoever posted THAT load of garbage has a horse that can be convinced it's a horse bite, I'm sorry but that is one seriously ignorant horse.
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One of the most intelligent replies I've read on this thread and funnily enough I've heard it said about a 'popular' tv dog trainer who likes to use force as a training method saying it's what dogs do to each other. NO it's not, how can we as humans ever be as good at body language and the nuances of reading body signals as dogs/horses or any other species. Like you say, smacking a horse under the chin or anywhere to stimulate a horse bite isn't that it's ABUSE pure and simple!!
 
amymay said:
Bramley, please contact Lee Hackett at the WHW (edited by naturally, Amymay means the BHS) they are asking for witnessess to come forward.
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Just so that it is easy and there is no excuse not to do this as soon as you read my post:

If you witnessed the parelli demonstration involving this horse please contact Lee Hackett in BHS Welfare on 01926 707804 or email l.hackett@bhs.org.uk

(The phone number and email are freely available on t'internet so hopefully posting them here will be ok)
 
I have a stallion with bridle isues, to the point of him becoming dangerous if you persisted in try to get the bridle over his ears.

So I made him a bridle with a split head, took an hour or so in a quiet stable to show him that this bridle was no longer scary. He now has his bridle on as quiet as a lamb. So much can be done with a horse if you approach by the back door and not like a bull at a gate.
 
I would very much like to see a statement from the Royal Festival of the Horse organisers/Royal Agricultural Society regarding the matter. In particular, a brief report from the vet that examined Catwalk on Saturday a.m. and found a lesion and confirmed that Catwalk would not be used in the demo the next day. I have tried ringing them but no one is answering. Does anyone know if a statement from them is being issued?
 
eahotson said:
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If people had seen that domonstrated by say circus people to show how they 'trained horses' or travellers at Appleby there would be a much wider outcry and that would include the Parelli people.
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I watched a TV prog. the other day about Appleby, say what you like about the fair and the way the Gypsies train and drive their horses, PP could learn a lot from the Gypsies at Appleby about basic harness and driving if his PP's Driving DVD is anything to go by. Poor horses in that DVD didn't even had harness that fitted and the right bits to work in. One poor horse in the pair had a swivel cheek Liverpool digging HARD into his muzzle, screaming to be understood, and nobody said a word......poor animal.
 
Oldred said:
I would very much like to see a statement from the Royal Festival of the Horse organisers/Royal Agricultural Society regarding the matter. In particular, a brief report from the vet that examined Catwalk on Saturday a.m. and found a lesion and confirmed that Catwalk would not be used in the demo the next day. I have tried ringing them but no one is answering. Does anyone know if a statement from them is being issued?
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Good point. Let's contact them via email to ask them when we can expect a statement.....
 
It has taken me 2 days to read all of this thread, which is usually about the same time a parelli follower takes to catch their horse, by the time they have pulled faces and flapped their arms about pretending to be the lead mare to show the horse who,s boss.
Parelli my ass.
 
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