Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

I am actually sitting here simmering trying to tone down anything I might post but in essence if any good has come out of this maybe just maybe people may just think twice about all of the NH c**p.

What happened to the old days where people got hands on experience with horses and learnt through years of experience to read what a horses concerns may be and reacted accordingly. I am sick to the back teeth of being patronised by these NH and Parelli sheep who follow this like a religious cult.

In conclusion if your too scared to get on your horse and actually ride it through a situation then get a suitable horse stop ruining youngsters and sharper horses just trying to up your ranking from a novice rider. If your a novice deal with it and don't tell me I just don't understand the methods I don't want to understand I want to ride my horse and if it naps send it forward in a saddle with a tree and a bit that works!!!!!!!!!!!

Rant over sorry....
 
Although i think parelli is a load of tripe, could those of you who agree with its use explain how tying down or forcing a horse to submit could ever make it confident or happy in what it is doing. Horses are by nature flight animals and their greatest fear is to become trapped or enclosed or restricted in some way, I have no doubt this may make the horse comply in the future rather than being subjected to the same tratment. :mad:
However horses that are ill treated or beaten until they do what they are asked also learn to comply and this is the same if you are subjected to something unpleasent you do whatever it takes to make it stop this does not mean that you are happy or relaxed with the task being asked, this can only truly be acheived if you can ask your horse to do something and it does so without force being used, Only then can you claim to have been succesful.:)
 
BSJAlove said:
*drags in a chair and sits down with the popcorn (sweet)* :)

natural horsemanship?? my arse!
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pulls sofa in* offers seats and malteasers*


why on earth would 2 'business men' who know (allegedly) horses try and deal with an obv very difficult stallion to bridle in front of spectators !! how ridiculas and what a silly thing to try and do!!!!! Would be interested to know how robert has got the bridle on in the past and mayb question why this horse is still a stallion!!!! Im totally gobsmacked and love to see newbies coming in now with a different view from the rest of the people that saw it!!! 'how odd' and that truley sums up my whole feeling about pat parelli!!
 
I think I'm going to kick my colt in his knackers next time he looks at a mare. That should make me dominant over him ;)

Seriously tho, I was disgusted at the video of Linda P but would like to see a video of Roberts horse before I can comment as I have never followed parelli before seeing a post on here.

I've always watched Monty Roberts with intrest as his way of training seems fair. That video I saw of Linda was shocking no excuses for treating, what appeared to be a gentle horse, like that no matter what point your trying to prove.
 
Please dont label all NH is ****. Its not the method, its the people. Most people who train using NH techniques do not treat their horses in the way described on this thread.
Its unfair to say that all NH methods are **** because of the handful of people who give it a bad name. If people dislike parelli, fine, but parelli is only a very small amount of people the world over who do amazing things with horses using NH methods.
Whats important for me is all the other amazing horse trainers out there doing amazing things with horses, instead of focusing on a few individuals who give all a bad name.
 
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^ I've been asking the same.

The answer always just seems to be 'You just don't understand our methods'...which in itself, doesn't help anyone try to begin to understand either. It seems to be the same uninformative answer everytime anyone ever questions their motives to a certain 'event'
. It's the same as the unhelpful 'Oh you're too young to understand' reply,when it fact, there is no reasoning most the time, just lack of bother.
 
I apologise for my tone in the earlier post but really all it is is body language which most of us have mastered years ago.. How many experienced people do you know who can predict which foot a horse will move next it is not a miracle it is body language.......
 
trinity fox - that is the thing, when I was learning the basic p stuff with my mare, the emphasis was on allowing them to move their feet, long lead rein, never tying them down and restricting them. So what is all this tying the leg up to make the poor horse hobble on 3 legs. The very thing to make a horse panic. I just really don't understand it now. My mare was never restricrted in any way, even down to no noseband lol.
How can anyone say that the horse wasn't distressed and where was the dignity in all this??
 
Binky01 said:
^ I've been asking the same.

The answer always just seems to be 'You just don't understand our methods'...which in itself, doesn't help anyone try to begin to understand either. It seems to be the same uninformative answer everytime anyone ever questions their motives to a certain 'event'
. It's the same as the unhelpful 'Oh you're too young to understand' reply,when it fact, there is no reasoning most the time, just lack of bother.
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I go back to calling it a cult..... same as "God moves in Mysterious Ways" whenever there is a question they can't answer *power munching maltesers in hopes of simmering lol*
 
The Parelli cult have noticed this thread on Facebook and are laying into us too... makes for fairly interesting reading. They're also attempting to explain what they saw there, which makes for even more interesting reading.

I may set up a group of my own and find out how many like-minded horsepeople are out there.
 
Munchkin said:
The Parelli cult have noticed this thread on Facebook and are laying into us too... makes for fairly interesting reading. They're also attempting to explain what they saw there, which makes for even more interesting reading.

I may set up a group of my own and find out how many like-minded horsepeople are out there.
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I'm with you......... :)
 
I would think that there are a lot of sad and disillusioned PP followers out there today. Both of their "leaders" have now disgraced themselves within a year of each other but I'm not judging the group as a whole because of two bad apples at the top of the tree. I'm not altogether sure that 2010 will be the best year for their income and profits (whoops, did I say that out loud??)

I dabbled a bit with very basic P myself with my TB but I didn't like waggling the long line at him to "make" him back up so I stopped. He's 15, I'm a grandmother and we pootle along fine, so we don't need the hassle, frankly.
 
I can believe there has been no welfare come backs it has been announced will be an ongoing thing for this horses near future surely someone in authority will step in?
 
that poor poor horse. makes me sick people get away with what is basically horse abusive, because its "natural horsemanship"...
when we moved matrix, away from the *******s who broke him and made him headshy behind our backs, he was pretty headshy. did i reach for the carrot stick and ropes...
no. i just used patience, let him tell me when he had been pushed enough- trust me, he wasnt quiet about it! and with time got the the stage where he trusts me enough to handle his ears put a bridle on etc, without any fuss:)
what upsets me though, is that if i tell him off verbally without any contact, for say biting my shirt:rolleyes: the first thing he does is throw his head in the air- because in the past people have hit him and grabbed his nose:( can only imagine how bad Catwalk will be :(
 
domane said:
I would think that there are a lot of sad and disillusioned PP followers out there today. Both of their "leaders" have now disgraced themselves within a year of each other but I'm not judging the group as a whole because of two bad apples at the top of the tree. I'm not altogether sure that 2010 will be the best year for their income and profits (whoops, did I say that out loud??)

I dabbled a bit with very basic P myself with my TB but I didn't like waggling the long line at him to "make" him back up so I stopped. He's 15, I'm a grandmother and we pootle along fine, so we don't need the hassle, frankly.
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Domane.Thats what happened to me.We were suposed to be NH stuff at camp and I have no issue with that, but it was pure Parelli and I was standing there swinging this wretched rope when I thought Why am I doing this? He is not enjoying it, I am not.He backs up perfectly well when asked in a way he understands.So I stopped.I was suposed to be swinging this wretched heavy clip ever harder.I bought my boy as a confidence restorer and he has been super for me.It seemed a poor way to repay him.My INSTRUCTOR started off by talking herself up, subtext if you don't get anything outof this, the fault is yours.Its verging on a cult and there is a lot of brain washing.
 
It honestly is like a new religion - when you read the quite incredible comments about love and how all of us are 'looking but not seeing' on Facebook, it is absolutely like these people are preaching about some strange cult.

And to think the showing was booted out the main arena for this display of abuse. I think the fact that this Parelli pair are oh so quick to jump and defend their actions speaks volumes.
 
Munchkin said:
The Parelli cult have noticed this thread on Facebook and are laying into us too... makes for fairly interesting reading. They're also attempting to explain what they saw there, which makes for even more interesting reading.

I may set up a group of my own and find out how many like-minded horsepeople are out there.
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I find the blind acceptance that what PP was upto must've been fine just as disturbing if not MORE so than the people who dismiss Parelli as a load of rubbish. What exactly is WRONG with questioning practices you don't understand or agree with and what is WRONG with requesting an explanation???
 
domane said:
I would think that there are a lot of sad and disillusioned PP followers out there today. Both of their "leaders" have now disgraced themselves within a year of each other
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Sadly I don't think Parelli devotees will see it that way; from what I've read on FB even there is NO questioning, just mute acceptance of what the Parellis do must all be fine and done with LOVE. And some of them are praying for those of us who don't understand the horse's 'true dignity'
The smell of BS is overpowering.
 
ponydentist has promised to report back with his thoughts soon as he's home and dry. Might well be after tea, though. He wondered had the thread had much of a response!

I for one will be very interested in his angle on it.
 
Its strange really that they haven't put the video up themselves.If it was all so wonderful why not? You will also note that there is a Parelli pavillion at Stonleigh.
 
How the hell does forcing half a ton a flesh to do something help? The is a little shetland who is nanny to the babies here and he is tiny i love to see Pat tie him up an make him conform!!
 
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