Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

DanielleAngel Please, no nom-nomming on this thread... It's not the time, nor the place.
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DanielleAngel said:
All I have to say is...
The only REAL NH I know about is the good ol' native american indians.
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And the Australian bushmen such as Guy McLean. I watched him at the same show at which I saw Parelli and he blew him out of the water.

On the final 4 nights of the show, all of the horsemen had an hour or two each (can't remember) with a horse brought down off the mountains, to see who could get the furthest with its training/breaking. (Had 3 roundpens set up in the arena.) No force, in fact one guy's horse was so nervous he said it was unfair to push on and forfeited his "win" as it were. He then bought the horse and took it home to work with it there instead!

Parelli wouldn't be involved in this and to be honest every single one of those guys would have shown him for what he really is. Loads of people were pushing for a Parelli vs Mclean standoff, now THAT I'd have paid to see...
 
I had the misfortune to witness some of the fallout of Parelli training last night at a local show, Poor misguided girl maybe 14 yrs old brandishing her christmas presants (carrot stick, long rope and NH halter) and trying to get her pony to load into what looked like a home made trailer :-( girls parents were near by, one holding a bucket inside trailer, the other by the back of the box, both to me looking clueless. Girl was leading pony to the ramp then stopping expecting pony to go in on his own, but at the same time pulling his head away and tapping him on the head with the stick, and swirling rope, all this achived was the poor pony getting head shy and backing up :-( .... girl then proceeded to pull faces and act a bit like Vicky Pollard because she noticed we were watching, but all this continued for at least 20 mins ...we drove off it was too painfull to watch, but no doubt pony will end up on project horses with a host of problems.
 
Munchkin said:
KS1 - did they give the horse a break from the twitch? As everyone knows (I would hope) that they shouldn't be left on for more than a few minutes at a time.
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Not in the time I was watching, the only release I saw was when there was no pressure applied but the string was not taken out of the horses mouth in the time I was there.

The ethod of using these gum straps appals me which is one reason I am anti Monty Roberts and thsi si the foirst time in my yeats with PNH that I have seen this practised.

I have read a lot of praise from other PNH followers and that is up to them but for me it was upsetting to see.

I know stallions need that bit more assertive handling and that years of learning to evade a bridle can't be corrected quickly and you need to have your wits about you with a stallion but Catwalk went from beinn relaxed to then getting more stressed again.

My mate had seen enough and I was both in pain and exhausted (with only having a few hrs sleep the night before due to pain) and that is why we left. Had I been well enough I'd have stayed till the end to see how Catwalks mental state was and at what point Pat quit

Was he still anxious and stressed or relaxed and at ease?
 
Munchkin said:
And the Australian bushmen such as Guy McLean. I watched him at the same show at which I saw Parelli and he blew him out of the water.

On the final 4 nights of the show, all of the horsemen had an hour or two each (can't remember) with a horse brought down off the mountains, to see who could get the furthest with its training/breaking. (Had 3 roundpens set up in the arena.) No force, in fact one guy's horse was so nervous he said it was unfair to push on and forfeited his "win" as it were. He then bought the horse and took it home to work with it there instead!

Parelli wouldn't be involved in this and to be honest every single one of those guys would have shown him for what he really is. Loads of people were pushing for a Parelli vs Mclean standoff, now THAT I'd have paid to see...
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I love this poem of his :D

http://www.abpa.org.au/Bush_Poetry/Modern_Poetry/the_horses_slave.html
 
I haven't read the whole of this thread as it's so long now, but was there no way for anyone to question what was going on? As in stand up and say 'stop being cruel to that horse'? No idea if I would have, not having been there, but it sounds like a large proportion of the audience were disgusted? Or perhaps it's owner should have?
 
Changes said:
No, because they are aware that certain practitioners of all sports act with cruelty. Parelli sells itself on how natural and kind it is, when clearly, it's not.
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Oh but yes they are, so many seminars I have attended that go on about how what they do is correct, is good for the horse blah blah.... and I have attended loads especially when I was training to be a dressage Judge. As a small example the BHS alway sstate about the safety and well being of the horse, and they do a great job but for the welfare of the horse using excessive gadgets and over use of leather and bits is not my idea of "Welfare for the horse" and they do push their methods onto those that follow the training etc.

Again not getting at the BHS here as they do a great job just giving a small example.

and again I state NOT all those that use a natural approach are brain washed
 
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I will continue to fail to understand why people think it is a great idea to subject their horses to these spectacles - taking a horse out of his safe environment, subjecting them to a new handler, lights, music, crowds, and then persisting in trying to teach it something new just goes beyond my comprehension.

If you have a problem then get someone out, whether that be a nagsman or a NH fanatic or anything in between, and work on the horse in the environment where you, the owner/rider, will have to carry out whatever it is you are trying to improve.

The whole *doing it for the audience* thing will never sit well with me.
 
After seeing other videos of thie 'team' treating horses I find it a disgrace and if this was Joe Blogs doing this the RSPCA would be saying it was animal abuse. Id be suing Parelli if he did that to my horse. Wonder how many hours of physio it will take to sort out the soft tissue damage.:mad:
 
I have just read the whole thread and found it very interesting! I have never been interested in Parelli - I have a Kelly Marks Intelligent Horsemanship book somewhere, which I quite like - but the theory in that is quite logical to me and relies on doing things slowly in a way the horse understands. I just don't 'get' Parelli. I bought a horse a few years ago from a notorious Dartford dealer who was well and truly screwed up mentally - he was absolutely not going to have a bridle on - ever. He would throw himself to the ground in preference to having anything on his head, he would go into a blind panic the minute you approached him with a bridle. We got there, in the space of a few months, by being calm, consistent and doing things very very slowly in a way that ensured he was never hurt or pressurised. He got to the point where you could throw the reins over his head and bridle him quite normally, and anyone could do it. I genuinely believe that the methods described above would have really had a profound effect on his already fragile mental state.

Parelli really does seem to have a strange hold over people though (in my limited experience). A group of local people practice it - or something akin to it - and they all unfailingly follow the advice of their leader. I joined a lesson once and it was the biggest mistake Ive made in years. Not once did anyone want to know the reasoning behind the way I rode/warmed up/my choice of tack - I was told I was wrong and that was it - end of. It's that totally blinkered way of thinking that I find odd; Im open to learning new ways of doing things, new ways of thinking, and challenging my beliefs about things, but the Parelli people I know simply will not believe there is any other way. And their horses are not the model of equine happiness (and health) either.

Looking forward to seeing a video so I can make my own mind up - not that it needs much making up to be honest!
 
The main reason I didnt buy tickets for the Festival if the Horse is because I saw the Parellis were doing a demo and did not want to add my support to something to I ultimately think is so anti-horse.
Seems like my thoughts were justified.
What a damn shame if this is what people will remember about this inaugural show.
 
I'm sorry if this has been said already somewhere in the previous 14 pages but, as many people have observed, Parelli is a commercial enterprise. Given all the flack that arose (rightly!) from the Linda Parelli/blind horse footage, does nobody else think it's really odd that they are putting their extremely carefully constructed image at risk in this way? I don't practice Parelli or NH (and have no axe to grind!), I wasn't there and, like many others on this thread, would like to see any footage of this - it just seems so at odds with what they seem to preach.
 
So what sort of people follow Parelli, are there hundreds of them? I can't understand why they follow it and why they think these methods are ok?
 
KS1 said:
Oh but yes they are, so many seminars I have attended that go on about how what they do is correct, is good for the horse blah blah.... and I have attended loads especially when I was training to be a dressage Judge. As a small example the BHS alway sstate about the safety and well being of the horse, and they do a great job but for the welfare of the horse using excessive gadgets and over use of leather and bits is not my idea of "Welfare for the horse" and they do push their methods onto those that follow the training etc.

Again not getting at the BHS here as they do a great job just giving a small example.

and again I state NOT all those that use a natural approach are brain washed
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough - followers of traditional sports see abuse within it and don't like it, people try and do something about it. I have yet to hear a Parelli convert find anything wrong with what Parelli do.
 
I just read out what happened to my husband and 15yr old daughter who then asked what Parelli 'did' and after telling her she said 'so basically its a load of ****!' Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
How many times do the Parellis have to f**K up before people stop licking their a***s?

I don't object to treating your horse as naturally as possible within the limits of riding it, but I really bloody object to tying a horse's leg up and claiming that you are 'gaining it's trust'. Duh!


 
I dont like Parelli stuff, I do like others, even if I dont agree with all of their methods. What I have seen recently puts me off even more. The final rather creepy insult is to be told that if I disagree, I am by default stupid, I "dont understand".
 
:( Poor, poor Catwalk ............... :(

I remember him when he was a 3 y-o here at Marbach. He was a super young horse with bags of talent. Clearly (not pointing any fingers) something has gone wrong in the meantime, and to 'fall' into Parelli hands is not what this nice young stallion needs. It's such a shame.........:(
 
Binky01 said:
Edited - I also rate Endo and always liked watching his vids for an 'alternative' way of dealing with problems. He doesn't claim to be anything but himself nor false labels it 'Natural Horsemansip'.
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Agree Binks this guy uses his not inconsiderable skill as a true horseman, I love the way he just stays calm no matter what is thrown at him. Not a gimmick or a label in sight.
 
I have skim read the majority of this post and noticed there is only one user who is claiming the stallion wasnt distressed. Laura77 I believe? Is it a coincidence that the manager of the Parelli UK office at Stoneleigh Park is called Laura and she has only ever commented on Parelli posts on this forum? Hmmm...
 
So there are lots of different practitioners of NH who all work with slightly different methods, but only one seems to attract all the flack for being self-serving and not concerned with the horse's welfare, and he just happens to be the one who decided to name his method after himself?

Hmmm :rolleyes:
 
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