Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

shysmum said:
I think the more people we complain to the better, tbh. The Daily Mail do like animal abuse stories....but then again so does The Sun :D.
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Excpet both of those like to paint anyone bar Zara Phillips as an animal abuser :o
Still,IF a journo decides to follow up the story and understands that it is purely the fault of the people in the arena,it would be a positive step-nothing the RSPCA likes better then an outraged public ;)
 
KS1 said:
IRob is very pleased and very apreciative of what Pat has done, and we have now helped several horses that they were unable to. Rob will continue to use our help and is very grateful.
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So does James work for Pat?

Who is the "we" quoted as in "we have now helped several horses that they were unable to"?
 
If anyone needs answers to their questions do contact James, he is willing to talk to you about what went on and as he worked with catwalk afterward it puts him in a better place to know how catwalk really was.

Also a thought, catwalk competed in a jumping class on the Sunday, if a vet said he was not fit to carry on with a demonstration why was it given that he could be worked on during Saturday and allowed to compete on the Sunday?

This questioning in my mind is what makes me think there maybe wasn't any cuts at all and as for the BHS investigating, if many have phoned in complaining the BHS will investigate. However I bet many who phoned in did so without knowing the facts and only went on from what they read.

The BHS need to respond to all calls as a matter of routine it does not mean there is any harm actually being done. It wil be interesting to see what they report.

I am not taking sides with Parelli nor H&H, I too would just like to know.
 
Actually I don't believe the BHS do respond to every call. When my stallion was abused by his producer, I phoned to see what could be done and I was told nothing without video evidence.

Given that there is evidence and apparently statements from people, IF BHS have investigated, they must have felt that there was something to investigate.

And the question still hasn't been answered - does James work for the Parelli's?
 
So has there been no damage limitation attempted by PP? He must know about this and all the other forums with huge discussions, or does he think that if he ignores it that it will all go away?
I really thought the PNH media machine would have been in action by now.
 
Tannis said:
Actually I don't believe the BHS do respond to every call. When my stallion was abused by his producer, I phoned to see what could be done and I was told nothing without video evidence.

Given that there is evidence and apparently statements from people, IF BHS have investigated, they must have felt that there was something to investigate.

And the question still hasn't been answered - does James work for the Parelli's?
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http://www.jr-foundationstation.com/
 
I agree with the many people who say parelli are just out to make fast $$$$.

They now even offer anybody with a few thousand pounds to go and spent a week with them and become a perelli endorsed instructor regardless of if they have any equine knowledge or experience at all(ok maybe they can wiggle a rope)!

unfortunately then people believing these instructors are worth learning from as they are endorsed by a big company then pay good money for rubbish. its dangerous.

parelli claim to care about 'the horse' unfortunately all they really care about is their bank balance and ego as demonstrated on friday.

Hopefully some good will come of this saga.
 
roo2012 said:
http://www.jr-foundationstation.com/
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lol! that would be a yes then!!

and KS1.... a few pages back someone pasted their email reply from the BHS confirming that they had called a vet to examine Catwalk who had confirmed he had cuts on his gums and deemed him unfit to continue in the demonstrations.

I think it was Lee Hackett who had sent the email to them. Why don't you give him a call (his phone humber was provided with the email) to confirm a vet definitly DID see the horse.
 
snowmanbaby said:
WELL DONE a "natural horseman/woman" - but died you wear a stetson, and spurs and levis? and have a lot of people watching you, who had to write cheques??? I think not...

Well done you, and you have my respect and admiration....

This is the BIG turning point for the Parelli money spinning nonsense...! It is ALL about circus tricks, and cheque books.....
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Hahaha!

No, we didn't! We often wondered if we would ever succeed, but by god...we did....and I'm thankful we did! :D
 
Supertrooper said:
One of the most intelligent replies I've read on this thread and funnily enough I've heard it said about a 'popular' tv dog trainer who likes to use force as a training method saying it's what dogs do to each other. NO it's not, how can we as humans ever be as good at body language and the nuances of reading body signals as dogs/horses or any other species. Like you say, smacking a horse under the chin or anywhere to stimulate a horse bite isn't that it's ABUSE pure and simple!!
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I have had the same thoughts about that dog trainer, but like PP some people think hes some sort of God and if you disagree with his method you dont understand!

maybe now people will see this for what it really is.
 
Right people a few words here,
Today I spoke to louise and robert and made them fully aware of what was happening,and they where not aware at all,so asked me to post the following....

We are truely shocked at what has happened and knew nothing of the treatment as robert dropped catwalk off and did not stay to see the demonstration,if he had then please rest assured that it would of been stopped,we in no way condone any treatment that in any way causes distress or pain to any horse! Catwalk did recive a small cut,abraision but rest assured that he is reciving any veterinary treatment to correct this.he was ridden out this morning though with no signs of discomfort.and he will be monitored on the progress,we are just as sorry as anyone else that he was treated in this way and rest assured we will be looking into this.....


So there you have it ppl, and they are the most down to earth people you will ever meet who put the welfare of there horses before anything else.......
Chris
 
hmmm, that's interesting as we have reports from people here claiming that they have confronted Robert Whittaker and Pat Parelli at the demo... so, which one is it? was he there or not?
 
After realising how little he really knew about horses, and how much there was to know, James took the decision to quit his successful business to embark on a new journey, starting with an apprenticeship with Dave Stuart, master horseman and former 5 star Parelli Professional and Charlotte Dennis, former 3 star Parelli professional and eventer.
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From james roberts website. I wonder why the two people stated are called former parelli professionals? I *think* charlotte dennis fell out with the parellis and left over a disagreement about methods. Maybe someone else knows?
 
James roberts also said he was with Rob and pat etc with the horse straight after the demo when he was examined by the vet. So methinks people really need to get their story straight!

teddy, I was led to believe that there were differenced from a business point of view, but could be wrong.
 
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So from someone who works for/with PP

KS1 said:
I also spent the whole day watching Pat play with catwalk, with Rob, and was present when the vet came to see him, and can quote that the vet said there were no lesions, cuts or any damage to the horse whatsover. A second demo was never planned, and the horse was certainly not unfit to be helped the next day

Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, which we should respect, but some facts seem to be fabricated. Apart from myself, Rob, linda, neil and Sue, and Pat, no one else was present, which is why it would be impossible for anyone to have heard the vets report, so it has been made up.
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and through a member, from RW

chrisnapthine said:
We are truely shocked at what has happened and knew nothing of the treatment as robert dropped catwalk off and did not stay to see the demonstration,if he had then please rest assured that it would of been stopped,we in no way condone any treatment that in any way causes distress or pain to any horse! Catwalk did recive a small cut,abraision but rest assured that he is reciving any veterinary treatment to correct this.
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martlin said:
hmmm, that's interesting as we have reports from people here claiming that they have confronted Robert Whittaker and Pat Parelli at the demo... so, which one is it? was he there or not?
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there is a web of lies about this event, all i can believe is the video clips atm, very confusing
 
Petition for anti and pro parellians to sign - also a seperate thread

This petition has been set up to urge equine welfare charities to launch an official investigation into the Parelli demonstration at the Royal Festival of the Horse, 9-11 July 2010, and specifically Pat and Linda Parelli’s treatment of the stallion ‘Catwalk’ both during and after the demonstration.
The undersigned, regardless of belief in the practice of Parelli methods, believe a full investigation into the exact occurrences at Stonleigh is necessary in order to clarify allegations of bad practice and abuse during this demonstration.


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/parelli_investigation/

Please sign and pass onto contacts. Rather than flooding BHS/welfare charities perhaps we can point them in the direction of this petition.
 
chrisnapthine said:
Right people a few words here,
Today I spoke to louise and robert and made them fully aware of what was happening,and they where not aware at all,so asked me to post the following....

We are truely shocked at what has happened and knew nothing of the treatment as robert dropped catwalk off and did not stay to see the demonstration,if he had then please rest assured that it would of been stopped,we in no way condone any treatment that in any way causes distress or pain to any horse! Catwalk did recive a small cut,abraision but rest assured that he is reciving any veterinary treatment to correct this.he was ridden out this morning though with no signs of discomfort.and he will be monitored on the progress,we are just as sorry as anyone else that he was treated in this way and rest assured we will be looking into this.....


So there you have it ppl, and they are the most down to earth people you will ever meet who put the welfare of there horses before anything else.......
Chris
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Hmmmmm.... But people said they saw RW there?! :confused:
 
chestnuttymare said:
James roberts also said he was with Rob and pat etc with the horse straight after the demo when he was examined by the vet. So methinks people really need to get their story straight!
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curiouser and curiouser ;)

teddy, I was led to believe that there were differenced from a business point of view, but could be wrong.
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Maybe she didnt agree with ripping people off for left handed lunge lines etc :)
 
KS1 said:
I was with catwalk straight after the demo on Friday night, with Rob, and although I appreciate the demo was upsetting for a lot of people, catwalk did not break into a sweat, and was not injured in any way.

Apart from myself, Rob, linda, neil and Sue, and Pat, no one else was present, which is why it would be impossible for anyone to have heard the vets report, so it has been made up.


James Roberts
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So who do we believe now?

The eye witnesses say Robert was present
The 3* professional defending the behaviour says Robert was present
Robert says he wasn't present

Robert says the horse was injured
BHS have confirmed that a vet attended and was injured
The 3* professional defending says the horse was not injured

As Judge Judy says "don't lie - you need a good memory to lie"
 
teddyt said:
From james roberts website. I wonder why the two people stated are called former parelli professionals? I *think* charlotte dennis fell out with the parellis and left over a disagreement about methods. Maybe someone else knows?
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There were fallings out at Parelli a few years ago, weren't there?
Dave Stuart - I think had his own ideas of how to develop horsemanship, but it is reported that Pat said its my way or the highway.

No idea about why Charlotte Dennis left.

I have NO respect for Dave Stuart, having seen him in demos 2-3 times (pre-and post parelli split) and been appauled each time by his actions towards horses. :eek:

I think Charlotte is the one who had the more difficult starter horse in a demo I watched, and the blokes were treating her rather patronisingly and took the horse off her in the end. IIRC she was prepared to leave it as the horse wasn't showing that he/she was ready to be sat on, but the bloke who took it off her "rode through it" if you like, to achieve the end goal in front of the audience. :mad: Sound familliar? :rolleyes:

edited to say it was around about this time that the BHS were interested in including it in their system, when "it" (I lose track of what it was then!) was called Equine Ethology. As far as I know, the plans never came to fruition.
 
Tannis said:
So who do we believe now?

The eye witnesses say Robert was present
The 3* professional defending the behaviour says Robert was present
Robert says he wasn't present

Robert says the horse was injured
BHS have confirmed that a vet attended and was injured
The 3* professional defending says the horse was not injured

As Judge Judy says "don't lie - you need a good memory to lie"
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He was there to drop him off and collect but did not see the main of this treatment being carried out
 
CracklinRosie said:
And anoher thing.....................3* professional what?
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Apparently trained to Parelli 3*

Interesting, another trainer (got the link from James' website) says she has used Parelli to help her understand her horse and take up affiliated British Eventing - this is her current web site. Quick look at BE and it shows she has done 4 events - 3 in 2003 and 1 in 2006, entered 4, turned up at 3, completed 2 and placed at 1. Wonder if she qualified before or after 2006???
 
CracklinRosie said:
And anoher thing.....................3* professional what?
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PMSL there are a lot of replies for that question!:D Especially with opinions like this-

I have NO respect for Dave Stuart, having seen him in demos 2-3 times (pre-and post parelli split) and been appauled each time by his actions towards horses
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Seems tere are lots of incidents involving these so called professionals that have left people appalled. If it really is just a case of 'us' misunderstanding parellis methods there are an awful lot of people out there that appear to be stupid!
 
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