Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

I'll end up with carpal tunnel and bad eye sight if i try to read all this thread.

So can someone please point me towards the youtube link.

Thanks
 
Perhaps they could attend the nest 'clinic' that PP and his wife charge people to see. That way they will have first hand evidence of their behaviour.
 
Ah, but there are first hand witnesses who have complained directly, a better video must be kicking around, a vet examined the horse and found an injury - I'm sure that something will come of this from either/both the RSPCA and BHS. Fingers crossed. sm x
 
Perhaps, but that still won't help them investigate the 'catwalk incident'...
Apart from being displeased and outraged, I'm not sure what we can do tbh... maybe not go to their demos and hit their revenue, but then again, I wouldn't go to their demo anyway and their faithful followers don't see anything wrong with PP's conduct:(
 
shysmum said:
Ah, but there are first hand witnesses who have complained directly, a better video must be kicking around, a vet examined the horse and found an injury - I'm sure that something will come of this from either/both the RSPCA and BHS. Fingers crossed. sm x
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Let's hope so...
I'm fairly disappointed with RW's conduct TBH:o Gutless
 
shysmum said:
Ah, but there are first hand witnesses who have complained directly, a better video must be kicking around, a vet examined the horse and found an injury - I'm sure that something will come of this from either/both the RSPCA and BHS. Fingers crossed. sm x
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But equally, there are lots of people going on about how great it was, and the video is, I'm afraid to say, awful quality - it's in no way good enough to say what happened with any accuracy. So unless someone was there, it's not possible to be sure what went on unfortunately as there is no one clear account and no decent quality video. All the welfare organisations are charities, they all have limited resources, and they have to be hard-headed about focussing their efforts on where they can make the biggest difference. That's just the way it is, I'm sorry to say:(

Hopefully all this furore will make people view the Parelli trend with more open and critical eyes in future. If that happens, some good may have come of this.
 
witnesses who were there have complained. If they make statements, if the vet makes a statement, you have the basis of a prosecution. The quality of the video is terrible, but it can be enhanced. This is what welfare charities (certainly the RSPCA) are set up to do, and don't worry about money - they have plenty !! Don't give up just yet. sm x
 
Its obvious that parrelli just acted on ill judgement considering his following and influence on certain people. Hopefully he'll be gracious enough to apologise for any upset caused and at the very least give an explanation that is plausible for his actions on catwalk. Also it would be good for public support and education if Robert Whitaker could confirm catwalks welfare considering people have been so concerned for his horse. A lesson here is take what you need from this and not what your told, use your judgement in an ethical way.
 
OMG poor horse :eek: wouldn't that just put him off more? i used to think parelli was quite good after watching a short dvd about it but found it a bit strange that they used long lunge-whip like sticks to guide the horse - i thought natural horsmanship was about NOT using things like whips? :confused: after reading bad things about it however i have changed my mind that it seems mostly really awful, especially being that awful to a horse infront of an audience.
 
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Ha Ha ha - RSPCA etc can barely manage to get a conviction on the Spindles Farm guy!!!!! Like to see them try for this one!!!!!

There are so many lies being bandied around now as truth, it's a wonder there's no lawsuit for libel.

The vet did NOT find any trauma. Robert WAS there the whole time. Horse was NEVER supposed to be there on Saturday. The rope was NOT tied to his forelock.

This is just a Jump on the Bandwagon forum. Are you all Daily Mail readers?? If you seriously think this is abuse, hope you are all vegetarians! Not so keen on the RSPCA when they supported the ban on hunting, were you?

Don't think the rules allow for bridle-less jumping, do they?

I know two experienced "non-Parelli" people who were at the demo - said they witnesses superb horsemanship and promptly bought all the kit so they can start learning. So not everyone thinks that way, and they were actually there. First time they had seen Pat.
 
No, but now it seems just mud slinging. If there is a case of abuse and from what alot of people on here are saying there is. Put it writing and send to the BHS as they asked him I think but not sure to do the Demo also RSPCA and most of all WHW and also the photo's and just discourage others from going to see his demo's like everyone did with LUSH.
 
PPF&Proud said:
The vet did NOT find any trauma.
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I have an email from the BHS (copied and posted earlier in this thread). As a result of the vet examination Catwalk was not permitted to take part in any further demos.

Why would that be then? - Did the vet have a whimsy, were they blind, deluded or did they just 'not understand' like the rest of us who believe what took place was abuse?
 
I have spoken to the RSPCA and prepared to give a statement to the effect that NO ABUSE OR CRUELTY happeneed that night. I ave also contacted the head of welfare at the BHS and given a side of the story to the same effect.

The techniques, methodology and rationalle used with that particular horse have been used....researched.... and proven to work in certain cases. Do you really honestly think in your wildest dreams that a man of this statuer in the horse world would commit suicide in sucha manner in front of hundreds of people. Get wise people. This is a WITHCHUNT by people who's knowledge of horsemanship and training techniques extend only to the tiny little worlds they live in. Some people's experience of horses and horsemanship extend only to their own experiences of owning maybe a few horses and those of their friends.

Study the work of Dr Robert Miller on the methodology of knee hobbles and their use ....stop failing to see beyond what you physically saw.......and Im speaking here about those of you who did actually see....the rest of you who didnt......you cannot possible make accusations of this nature. Get a life. I have seen more horsemanship than most and understand that everything he did that night was done for a reason .....one reason.....to help the horse. Those people who know me on here or from anywhere else will know that if there had been any form of abuse I would have been the FIRST person to jump out of my seat. shout stop...jump into that arena and rope Pat Parelli (and I can use one as good as him) and hang him by his balls from the rafters. Ive done it before and would again no matter who or how famous the person may be. Those people who know or have had me help with their horses would also know that I would never condone any form of abuse or cruelty to any animal......ever. Some of you have never seen such methods employed and do not understand what you saw.

Get real people. And get educated. This is Anthropermorphism ( the biggest problem between people and animals)at its highest level.

I have nothing to do with Parelli in anyway shape or form. I loathe his marketing techniques and business ethics......but when you fling accusations of cruelty and horse abuse at man who loves horses and has as much experience at dealing with horses like this one i hope the hell he sue's the arse of you all who have accused him in writing.....but I know he wont....but he should.
 
Echo Bravo said:
No, but now it seems just mud slinging. If there is a case of abuse and from what alot of people on here are saying there is. Put it writing and send to the BHS as they asked him I think but not sure to do the Demo also RSPCA and most of all WHW and also the photo's and just discourage others from going to see his demo's like everyone did with LUSH.
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I'm not mudslinging. There has been a certain amount of low-grade hysteria on this thread regarding the Catwalk incident and vids, but I think it's a matter that should be continue to be discussed and questioned so that incidents like LP and the one-eyed horse can't happen again.
 
Sorry I didn't mean at Parellie just at other posters. He needs as much mud slung at him as possible as I gather it's not about really improving the horse's life or riders just making him a lot of money. Just saw one small demo tape many years ago and wasn't impressed then and have never bothered to look since till this post.
 
ponydentist said:
This is a WITHCHUNT by people who's knowledge of horsemanship and training techniques extend only to the tiny little worlds they live in. Some people's experience of horses and horsemanship extend only to their own experiences of owning maybe a few horses and those of their friends.

Get real people. And get educated. This is Anthropermorphism ( the biggest problem between people and animals)at its highest level.
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I actually find your post offensive, belittling and extremely patronising:(
especially the fragments I quoted.
You don't know me from Adam, how dare you question my experience in such a manner?
 
I have written and complained to the website editor about the libellous and defamatory statements contained in this thread about identifiable individuals. Hopefully the whole ridiculous fuss will die down when the next big name gets banned for some misuse of whip or other some such.
 
PPF&Proud said:
I have written and complained to the website editor about the libellous and defamatory statements contained in this thread about identifiable individuals. Hopefully the whole ridiculous fuss will die down when the next big name gets banned for some misuse of whip or other some such.
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A debate is allowed. That's what this is, pure and simple, if some people want to throw their toys out of the pram...then so be it, it happens in most debates I'm afraid.....
 
Ok Martlin.

What are your views on this? were you there/ did you see? What is your understanding of the methodss, techniques and equipment used on that evening? what is your personal experience with horses....how many horses have you had personal and hands on experience with? How many horsemanship clinics have you attended personally....both in the UK and other countries? Who were the trainers invvolved? What is your knowledge of the work of Dr Robert Miller?

Sits back and waits.
 
Debate is fine. Libel and lies are not. Yes, I joined just to add my comments - isn't that allowed - or are only comments that you agree with allowed?

Standing up for someone you believe in isn't throwing toys out of pram. You felt it necessary to complain to RSPCA, I felt it necessary to complain to the website editor.
 
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0002970#m_en_gb0002970
Take a look Ponydentist-abuse is not just starving an animal you know ;)
People who abuse their spouse tend to tell you it was for the OH's own good too,still,doesn't make it right does it?

The Parelli camp is happy to say the horse had a phobia of being bridled.Do you understand phobias? Do you understand the treatment?
Forcing a human to "confront their fear" is never a good idea when they KNOW what is happening and have made a CHOICE to do it.
Catwalk had no choice in the matter but was forced by harsh methods into getting something he was frightened of onto his head seemingly picking up an injury along the way.
That IS abuse.


If this sort of treatment is acceptable in other parts of the world it can bloody well stay there thankyou.
Do not for one second think it is OK simply because PP is a "known" person.If the video showed an unknown doing the exact same thing in the arena of their livery yard there would be hell to pay.
PP should not get away with this because of his name and product.
 
ponydentist said:
Ok Martlin.

What are your views on this? were you there/ did you see? What is your understanding of the methodss, techniques and equipment used on that evening? what is your personal experience with horses....how many horses have you had personal and hands on experience with? How many horsemanship clinics have you attended personally....both in the UK and other countries? Who were the trainers invvolved? What is your knowledge of the work of Dr Robert Miller?

Sits back and waits.
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Can I turn the question on you then please ponydentist?

How many lessons have you had with Olympic Dressage Trainers

How many BD official training sessions have you attended

How many official BD displays have you given

How many times have you trained with Carl Hester

Have you read Xenophon?

It's all relative
 
PPF&Proud said:
There are so many lies being bandied around now as truth, it's a wonder there's no lawsuit for libel.

The vet did NOT find any trauma. Robert WAS there the whole time. Horse was NEVER supposed to be there on Saturday. The rope was NOT tied to his forelock.

This is just a Jump on the Bandwagon forum. Are you all Daily Mail readers??

I know two experienced "non-Parelli" people who were at the demo - said they witnesses superb horsemanship and promptly bought all the kit so they can start learning. So not everyone thinks that way, and they were actually there. First time they had seen Pat.
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At last, the voice of reason! Well done PPF&Proud for refusing to be intimidated by the lynch-mob mentality that prevails here and telling it like it is.
 
But PonyDentist isn't commenting on them or their methods. You are. If he/she was commenting on eventing, then your questions are reasonable. As it is, they don't make sense.
 
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