Parelli Demo on robert Whittakers stallion Stonleigh Friday 9th...Anybody else bside

If you watch to the end you can see that the horse has hurt itself, it's lame behind. Pepperoni was too busy fawning over the owner and the horse escapes!
 
Yeah…Brilliant bit of horsemanship…Stick waving around the horse’s head, dark rattling trailer with a slippery metal floor and reinforcing that running away is the best option…Run pony run…
 
That's been posted on this thread before (it's extremely old, Pat P is slender!). I just wanted to say... come on... the trailer looks a bit rubbish, but - lack of a ramp? That's not an issue, look at the lovely Bateson trailers with no ramp. Actually, I find they can be easier for a horse that has problems loading than a trailer with a ramp.
 
I attended the Parelli demo on the Sunday at Stonleigh after five years of saying Parelli was not for me. I went with an open mind accompanied by a friend who has been a long serving savvy member. Pat did a demo first with a horse who got busy, one of the phases they used but I wasn't convinced it wasn't because the more methods they used the more concerned this horse became but at no point did I think the horse was being treated unfairly or abused. I sat through the morning demo with my views and kept my own opinions and thoughts while what seemed like a Sunday morning gospel preaching session was taking place especially when Pat announced they would take over the world after receiving a message of acceptance which Linda forward to him prior to the lunch break. This made me feel a little uncomfortable but I still kept an open mind.

After lunch I did take on board some tips from Linda's teaching methods which I found interesting and could relate to with the work I had put into my mare for the last five years. This day made me realise that yes time, patience, understanding and a can do attitude is what is needed to succeed in having a great partnership with your horse and that is what exactly I have been doing from the very first day I brought my four year old mare because she was a frightened lost little soul. It has taken this time to build trust in each other learn from our mistakes enjoy the light bulb moments when we can say we did it. I am no expert and didn't own a horse until I hit 37 and find it funny now when people stop and say you didn't buy your first horse until 37 and she was only four. My biggest contribution to my mare was I promised her that I would not stand and let anyone do anything to hurt her and this has resulted in a change of farrier and instructors over time but I can honestly say working from my gut feeling builds our relationship daily so I am glad that I wasn't present at the time this poor horse had it's dignity pulled from him and did come to the conclusion that parelli is not for us.
 
Ive never been a fan of Parrelli, as far as I can see its a lot of circus tricks really and he makes a lot of money out of all the gimmicks and equipment at exorbitant prices!!
But after seeing this video it has just underlined my concerns with it. If this continued for two hours and the next day and now the horse is able to be bridled!!!. Ive always found if you make something difficult for a horse and offer it an easier option it will always take the easier option just like humans!! Surely all that has happened with this horse is the fact it has decided the lesser of the two evils is having a bridle on rather than being tied up and forced into all sorts of horrible positions. Its a sad day, the Parellis have a big petition about Rollkur on there website, what a joke.
 
I have never really agreed with any of Parelli's stunts.
For starters, they use those large lunging whips, what part of horsemanship is that? They probably abuse their own horses into doing what they want so they appear fantastic on their shows.
There is someone at my yard, who bought one of Parelli's whips and used it in completly the wrong way. Im sure they are meant as a way of reassurance and a way to get a horse to trust you? Not, to be used to hit the horse so it goes crazy, then try and calm it down.
Also i watched one where they were waving plastic bags on a stick in a horses face, it was obviously very distressed at this but they carried on for hours and hours.why?
Do they not understand people copy them? ive seen numerous people copy many of their 'stunt's', but not in the correct way.
Natural horsemanship dosent exist, inless your Monty Roberts.
 
Tiggerlilly said:
For starters, they use those large lunging whips, what part of horsemanship is that? They probably abuse their own horses into doing what they want so they appear fantastic on their shows.
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Steady, there! It's comments like this that turn these threads into pure farce.
 
Tiggerlilly said:
I have never really agreed with any of Parelli's stunts.
For starters, they use those large lunging whips, what part of horsemanship is that? They probably abuse their own horses into doing what they want so they appear fantastic on their shows.
There is someone at my yard, who bought one of Parelli's whips and used it in completly the wrong way. Im sure they are meant as a way of reassurance and a way to get a horse to trust you? Not, to be used to hit the horse so it goes crazy, then try and calm it down.
Also i watched one where they were waving plastic bags on a stick in a horses face, it was obviously very distressed at this but they carried on for hours and hours.why?
Do they not understand people copy them? ive seen numerous people copy many of their 'stunt's', but not in the correct way.
Natural horsemanship dosent exist, inless your Monty Roberts.
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I don't rate Monty Roberts much either. Actually, I'm not a fan of any of the 'Natural Horsemanship' folks. What happened to good common sense?
 
I can see how all methods can have there time and place. If knowledgable people use the method they chose to use, or several methods to good purpose then thats fine. What I dont like is people who tell others that the only way to handle a horse is to use parelli, which is what I have heard. Any person that says there is only 1 way is deluded, ignorant, hypnotised or just plain daft in the head.
Some things work for some horses and not others, some people want a quick fix, some are happy to take their time.
But if anyone else walks up to me and tries to make out that their 1 year of parelli work means they know better, and that they hope I will one day see the truth, and that they can just look in to a horses eyes and see the distress then, well poppycock.
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Yes,

PP was wrong to use those methods on that horse at this demo. We all agree on that I think.

However, I cannot completely condem his actions. It's not the way I would liked it to have been but unfortunately, I'm not experienced or qualified to offer a different solution. Only suggest that I think it could have been done in a kinder way, over a longer period of time.


What I do know, is that for the 1000's of horses in this country, many of them are in pain on a daily basis, wearing back breaking saddles that dont fit, with riders that jab them in the mouth, boot them in the ribs, smack the s''t out of them with crops and whips, hold their heads in funny places with martingales, side reins or 'training aids'. Some are poorly shod, poorly fed or stand in stables 24/7.

Can EVERYONE who has commented on this forum, put hand on heart and GUARANTEE that they have never, ever, done anything to cause pain to a horse....sadly, I cant, even if it was by mistake/uneducated.

Whilst I do not follow a particular type of NH trainer, surely we must admit that the welfare of horses across the world has improved with the introduction of kinder training methods and we are hopefully moving away from the ...if it wont go ...hit it with a crop system.

Those who live in glass houses, shouldnt throw stones!!
 
giveitago said:
Yes,



What I do know, is that for the 1000's of horses in this country, many of them are in pain on a daily basis, wearing back breaking saddles that dont fit, with riders that jab them in the mouth, boot them in the ribs, smack the s''t out of them with crops and whips, hold their heads in funny places with martingales, side reins or 'training aids'. Some are poorly shod, poorly fed or stand in stables 24/7.

Can EVERYONE who has commented on this forum, put hand on heart and GUARANTEE that they have never, ever, done anything to cause pain to a horse....sadly, I cant, even if it was by mistake/uneducated.
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but not 'everyone' on this thread is doing it in front of an audience and therefore extolling the method used to be THE way to do something to many thousands of 'followers'
 
It would be great if instead of slashing at Parelli's methods senselessly, some of you took the time it takes to research his methods. In general, it's pointless to argue against something when you have no idea about how that something works.

The "lungeing whip" is called a Carrot Stick, and when used properly, it is used to act as an extension of your arm. That way, you can direct the back end of the horse by standing at his nose, etc.

People make mistakes, and much of what you might have seen online could possibly be people abusing the Parelli method. Pat, himself, is a wonderful horseman (and like any other human being, makes mistakes), but he or his methods should not be judged by his mistakes.
 
farfromnormal94 said:
It would be great if instead of slashing at Parelli's methods senselessly, some of you took the time it takes to research his methods. In general, it's pointless to argue against something when you have no idea about how that something works.

The "lungeing whip" is called a Carrot Stick, and when used properly, it is used to act as an extension of your arm. That way, you can direct the back end of the horse by standing at his nose, etc.

People make mistakes, and much of what you might have seen online could possibly be people abusing the Parelli method. Pat, himself, is a wonderful horseman (and like any other human being, makes mistakes), but he or his methods should not be judged by his mistakes.
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Its not PEOPLE abusing the methods its HIM HIMSELF in this case, and his WIFE HERSELF in other cases, this subject has been done to death, I've watched them many times on TV and had a free dvd with something and watched it twice and I still don't get it. I wouldn't want my horse to canter across the trailer ramp and nearly brake his neck, I just want him to calmly load, which he does because he likes going on OAP trips to the beach lol
 
Since you reopened the can of worms...

farfromnormal94 said:
It would be great if instead of slashing at Parelli's methods senselessly, some of you took the time it takes to research his methods. In general, it's pointless to argue against something when you have no idea about how that something works.
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I have studied PNH from reading the old Level 1 & 2 packs, have attended demos and other Parelli events, and have discussed PNH with people who were or had been Parelli people. So I don't think you can say I have "no idea". I still don't like it, and I still think it produces some examples of stunningly poor horsemanship (like Linda and Barney, or Pat and Catwalk).

People make mistakes, and much of what you might have seen online could possibly be people abusing the Parelli method. Pat, himself, is a wonderful horseman (and like any other human being, makes mistakes), but he or his methods should not be judged by his mistakes.
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Do you think Pat made a mistake with Catwalk? Parelli people seem divided on this. Personally, I believe it was a mistake and was appalled by the way Catwalk was treated.

(Some will defend his actions saying extraordinary stuff like the horse is "clearly trying to hurt Pat instead of cooperating"... Good grief! :( That was a recent comment here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gf7w_1ifus)
 
dolly1971 said:
because the parellis are capeable of such horific things makes me very suspicious of the whole thing they have desighned
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Dolly1971, why are you dragging all these very old posts up?? What is your agenda? You have only posted four times and every one is on a 'dead thread'.. are you a troll? You must realise that these are all very heated discussions so why would you want to come here and wind people up?
 
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