Parelli - Just to rock the boat a bit!

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Why does parelli cause sich a fluster?

I am no freat follower myself (hell I play polo - how far from natural horsemanship can I be deemed to be?) but it still has its merits and I often pull helpful methods from these techniques and shape them for my own purpose.

So how can it be fundamentally wrong? Surely it does actually work for the horses? I've always said there is no one way to do anything with horses, I mean, naturally the aren't supposed to be ridden in the first place!

This should be interesting...
 
I was watching a programme on it the other day and wondered the same thing, remembering some comments about how it's controversial on HHO...how come?
 
Its not the actual natural horsemanship thing, its the blatent over-pricing, over promotion of what is essentially a rope headcollar.

And I will never get the point of the carrot stick.

People will try the ethos of it, ie. the natural horsemanship ideas.
they will not shell out forkloads though for the "special saddle" that makes you a bananna.

Its just the fact that those that do parelli look down on all other "common" horse owners with snobbery as they have a unqiue bond with their horse, ie. it rules the roost
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Parelli has a time and place, but only in certain situations!

sorry if thats waffle
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Wow, and I was just about to go to bed, think of all the sales I'd have missed out on!

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Because it is overly marketed as something everyone can do with a few DVD's, you can't and it's why half of other NH trainers bussiness is ruined ex-parelli horses. Oh most of thier horses look miserable, jumping foals over barrals and other pointless potentiall harmful "tricks." I watched a promotional thing about their saddles and even MRS parelli didn't seem to belive it! And if anything made me ride like her.... and they've PATENTED her riding style! I tend to pick bits out of different systems and apply them to horses as individuals not based on some psydopsychiatry "horsanality" but I've never found anything from parelli remotely usful.

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I am actually a great advocate of natural methods I use them myself but I still remember going to look at a horse who was being sold by a Parelli home apart from the constant waving of the carrot stick and being told that any thought I had of putting him in a stable at night was cruelty the total deal breaker and conviction that someone had been drinking the Kool Aid was;

Me: 'Can I see you ride the horse"
Her: " I will have to ask his permission"
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He refused I left.
 
i agree with the above about the marketing of Parelli as something new that only PP can understand- the majority of it is blooming common sense which you can work out from observing horses interacting with other horses
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some of the theories have a place and make sense but all the carrot stick and games nonsense really winds me up
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from my experience the only people i know who 'do' parelli rigidly are terrified of their horses....i use elements of NH all the time (join up for example) but i don't think there is anything amazing in this. i went to an amazing ranch in canada a few years back and the guy there was a bit of a monty roberts sort of guy- had great relationship with his horses and explained some really interesting methods to us (e.g. how to catch naughty horses) but he did this through explaining horse behaviour not trying to flog us a load of parelli crap!
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I agree that natural horsemanship is over marketed. I use alot of horse behavior technecs in my training of horses but i have lurnt them from horses there is never one way to deal with a horse as they are all different. people are amazed by the relationship lucy and i have and ask me my secret i just reply i have owned her for 11 years and have spent every day with her. you want a relationship with your horse spend time with it and i mean propper time not just riding.
Don't menshen monty roberts to me i can't stand the man!
 
just to add my thoughts that parelli & other NH basic priciples are all based on equine behaviour and are all common sense to those who have studied animals in the wild ( not that i have i've just done a lot of research & doing a disseration on it!) BUT i think the way its marketed is all a big CON especially the carrot stick......i think its some sort of money grapping con that very clever buisness people have started ( good on them) i would also like to admit to the fact that i hit a horse if if stands on my foot ( and wont get off)- i am a bad person and should now be reported to the ILPH
 
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i agree with the above about the marketing of Parelli as something new that only PP can understand- the majority of it is blooming common sense which you can work out from observing horses interacting with other horses
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some of the theories have a place and make sense but all the carrot stick and games nonsense really winds me up
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from my experience the only people i know who 'do' parelli rigidly are terrified of their horses....i use elements of NH all the time (join up for example) but i don't think there is anything amazing in this. i went to an amazing ranch in canada a few years back and the guy there was a bit of a monty roberts sort of guy- had great relationship with his horses and explained some really interesting methods to us (e.g. how to catch naughty horses) but he did this through explaining horse behaviour not trying to flog us a load of parelli crap!
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Hear hear!

Good Natural Horsemanship is just that Horsemanship with a good dose of common sense. It does not need a slick marketing machine or party tricks. My biggest hate is the way people think that one clinic, demonstration or a box set of DVD's turns them into an expert it doesn't it just makes someone else rich.
 
laura wheeler - im definatly with you on that one

anybody ever looked at endospink on you tube..... i also think this has a place within the equine world on 'tricky' horses
 
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What is the carrot stick? Sounds obvious but...eh?

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Well to you and I it is a schooling whip price eight quid

To Parelli it is a magic orange (hence the carrot stick name) training aid you can not do without priced at 25 quid plus!

Why am I dong this
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I should go kick the cat instead!
 
A friend of mine took his horse to a monty roberts demo as it didn't travel. M R did his thing then loaded it (fine that was never the problem). He told everyone it was cured. But when friend went to come home horse wouldn't load and when they did get it in it trashed the trailer when it started to move. (that was the origonal problem). Met someone a few days later who was at the demo and they said how wonderfull M R was at getting the horse to load. I wish i had been at the demo to give him a peice of my mind but i refuse to line his pockets. the parelli prob just the same.
 
Out of curiosity...how does one go about asking a horse's "permission" to ride it??

I kinda thought if I get on it and it doesn't chuck me off, it must be sort of ok with me being there...
 
I don't know i had been wondering how you ask aswell after lucy stood in the middle of the show ring on sun and refused to move. maybe i didn't ask her right?????????
 
I think both me and MrsMozart mostly use Cosgan's smileys http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php?wahl=0&ziel=froehlich , I always have them in one window/tab when I'm out on the internet.


Otherwise there's other places with free, just copy the the link of the smiley you want to use-sites out there, such as Bestsmileys http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm and Clicksmilies http://www.clicksmilies.com/ .


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ETS I have a little longer instruction about how to get it to work if you need it but it's a little late tonight, so I just did the shortest version.
 
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Wow, and I was just about to go to bed, think of all the sales I'd have missed out on!

Right, we have
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*totters off to put a cauldron of hot choccy on*

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APMSL...can i have 1 of each pleeeease
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Lol!!!!

If I asked my horse for permission to ride her, she'd say 'p*ss off, you try running about trying to get fit!'

and also that thing about monty roberts 'curing' horses of loading, I was thinking, what about when the owners get home and the horse thinks its life as normal, or the problem is in the actual travelling not a fear of stepping on the ramp or whatever? I used his head collar to teach my mare to get into the box (took about two hours!) and she walked in herself for about six months, then decided that she didnt want to get in again so i got the head collar out, two hours later getting in no trouble! its like six month top ups.... although she is just a bloody minded horse!
 
the thing is the headcollar is just common sense- personally i use a chifney if horse is difficult to load- but it works on the same principle- pressure for not going forward/backwards/upwards and release pressure for forwards. i do think i should run a clinic!! ha ha
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anybody ever looked at endospink on you tube..... i also think this has a place within the equine world on 'tricky' horses

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I love endospink
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personally, i agree that its all over priced, and i also believe that id rather do some schooling with my horse then make my horse stand on something or push a big rubber ball to me. i find it all a bit like circus tricks and a bit of a waste of time.

however i think monty roberts has a better image. i still dont think much of him but he promotes time and patients when in parelli, you see them flapping and what notting around.

i sneakily tried join up with my old mare, but she just looked at me funny and stood in the corner. dooooh.
 
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