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I have had him back 2 days I have read some things on here re the confusion for the horse with redoing things. I havent tries to ride him. When she had him on a rope for lunging there was a lot rope wiggling going on
 
dolly1971 said:
I have had him back 2 days I have read some things on here re the confusion for the horse with redoing things. I havent tries to ride him. When she had him on a rope for lunging there was a lot rope wiggling going on
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I'm sorry OP, but I am now in hysterics! I do hope you get sorted out, I really do! :D:D
 
Yes, we get the idea, BUT what is it that you want help with?
Certainly, if you drastically change a training method, there will be some confusion, but in my experience, it is better to start off how you mean to go on. So, start handling and training him the way you want to, allow a bit more time for readjustment and enjoy your horse. Maybe don't send him to your friend again, and if you are struggling at any point, ask a reputable instructor to come and help you get through any problems.
 
It's not unusual for youngsters to be mouthy, and by not nipping this habit in the bud, is when they turn into biters.
No horse is born nasty, but they're clever creatures and yours is basically a teenager who is still exploring his boundaries, and playing games with you, which you are interpreting as being aggressive.

To me it sounds like you just need to be shown how to handle him properly in order for him to establish some manners and respect for you. My advice to you is to find a good local instructor who will help you with both the groundwork issues, and who will also help you start his ridden work. It's make or break time for your horse - so do the right thing for him and get some help :)
 
no smoky he would not just be sent to you! I do need to breathe trying to do so many things at once. He had a injury he had complications from it they were great taking him in. There was never a training agreement he was just there and if he was happy that was fine. It is agression now. My posts are making a bit more sense now I think
 
Your horse was 3 when he went away, now after 18 month he is an adult horse who hasn't been in you company for a third of his life. You need to treat him like you would a horse she have just bought, let him know who's Boss (you) and how he can behave with you. This is not Parelli, Monty Roberts Just common old horse sense. I agree with other posts he is not nearly a five year old and should be treated like a proper horse and have an aim in life. Get on him and have fun, he's probably fed up with people sending him round in circles.
 
dolly1971 said:
no smoky he would not just be sent to you! I do need to breathe trying to do so many things at once. He had a injury he had complications from it they were great taking him in. There was never a training agreement he was just there and if he was happy that was fine. It is agression now. My posts are making a bit more sense now I think
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So he isn't backed either?
 
Doesn't sound like Parelli to me which is a people training programme not a horse training programme also parelli people don't lunge.Malaga went to an IH trainer for 10wks and wasn't even mounted along with biting but the Parelli person who I sent him to after checking and starting to learn the programme took 4wks and was riding him out in the forst week
I suggest you go to Parelli connect and learn about the programme.If he is trying to come in when you are trying to lunge him you are confusing him by giving him the come in body signals and getting uptight because he does :)
 
I am taking this thread at face value. I am not getting into the "Oh, what were you thinking of?" "Why didn't you...?" Or into the pro or anti parelli/NH/or any other method debate. There is no point, what is done is done, and who are mere readers to go off half cocked and righteously at someone/something we know nothing, or very little about? The whole point is what to do now?

I would suggest that you have a talk with your friend and find out exactly how she has trained him, and what cues she used for a start. If you are speaking different 'languages' then no wonder you are both confused, bit like sending a chinese child to an english speaking school, language, alphabet, customs, the whole kit and kaboodle is different.

I would start again with him to be honest. Right at the beginning, one step at a time, train him with the cues you want to use and are comfortable with. Don't bore the poor beast to death in a round pen, if he is rideable, ride him out. It really helps if these are traditional, because, as you have found, if the horse speaks a different language then it all goes pear shaped, and if you have to re-home the horse at anytime then the circle will just get repeated.

As for the biting, there could be any number of reasons as have been mentioned. Pain, confusion, you not handling him correctly (to his mind), pure naughtiness, temper.
I am no fluffy bunny, if a horse bites me then retribution follows, if a horse has a bit of my body in his mouth I don't stop and think "Awwwwwwwww, poor ponio" he gets a clout and then I do something about it before it happens again, change my ways, tie up shorter, higher, don't turn my back etc, mainly, don't give the bugger the opportunity to repeat the performance.

Good Luck.
 
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dolly1971 said:
no smoky he would not just be sent to you! I do need to breathe trying to do so many things at once. He had a injury he had complications from it they were great taking him in. There was never a training agreement he was just there and if he was happy that was fine. It is agression now. My posts are making a bit more sense now I think
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I'm not sure about that! :D now he's had an injury, and they took him in? I'm losing the will to live.:rolleyes:
 
I'm pretty confused. Best advice I can give, is get a local trainer to come out & assess you both. Get someone reputable with word of mouth recommendations. And see what they suggest.
 
thanks enfys dont speak to the woman now. I am planing on getting a rep trainer. just really wanted advice from somone experienced with a ex parelli horse was concerned about the agression really there had been a man on here who said one did some damage to him
 
smokey said:
I'm not sure about that! :D now he's had an injury, and they took him in? I'm losing the will to live.:rolleyes:
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I fail to see why everyone is being so frustrated by this story?! It really doens't sound like a big deal - she had a young horse nad for whatever reason couldn't cope, didn't have time or whatever. He also got injured, she had a friend who said they'd look after him for a bit, great. She sent him off, later discovered there was a problem and then had him back. What on earth is the big deal?? No need at all for so much sarcasm, she just wants some help.

OP - I agree wiht Enfys's post, sand that you should speak to the friend (in a nice way) and just find out what exactly she did with him training wise. In fact it would be useful even for you to know did she load him, lunge him, ake him for walks, etc, but if you can ask about what her practices were at the same time then that's great.

but also it's probably worth you getting an instructor or experienced friend you trust to help you with whatever you're trying to do with him. Sometimes just having an extra pair of eyes is useful (they might be able to help pinpoint where your and his misunderstandings are coming from).

If she DID use parelli, i agree that finding out a bit about it would be a good start for you - not so you can do it! But so you can undersand what she's done with him. The book 'groundwork trianing for horses' gives an overview of the seven games (but also lots of other more wholesome activities you could do to make friends with him).
 
thanks morgan I am trying to get hold of a parelli book. It is not his nature to be how he is being. It has been a long time since he has been goneand of course they do change as they grow up but this isnt normal
 
dolly1971 said:
thanks morgan I am trying to get hold of a parelli book. It is not his nature to be how he is being. It has been a long time since he has been goneand of course they do change as they grow up but this isnt normal
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Yes this is a good book actually as means it's not only parelli; just gives a nice overview of what he will likely have been trianed with, but also lots of other thigns you can do with him which are NOT parelli (it gives an overview of michael peace, IH, Tellington Touch work etc ec) so defniitely worth it. So then you don't ahve to fuel the parelli machine ;-) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Groundwork-...4411/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346941113&sr=8-1

But of course a real person is also invaluluable. whereabouts are you based?
 
Martlin, I'm pretty sure OP isn't starting a bun fight, she just wants advice, and Smokey said she had 'lost the will to live' if I started a thread and needed help and had people writing that they are in histerics, and losing the will to live etc, then I would probably tell the poster who said that to 'do one' so to speak. Especially if I was new to the forum. I really am suprised hho gets new members. They are either labelled a troll, a previous banned user or taken the mickey out of.
 
KellyJoArnold said:
Martlin, I'm pretty sure OP isn't starting a bun fight, she just wants advice, and Smokey said she had 'lost the will to live' if I started a thread and needed help and had people writing that they are in histerics, and losing the will to live etc, then I would probably tell the poster who said that to 'do one' so to speak. Especially if I was new to the forum. I really am suprised hho gets new members. They are either labelled a troll, a previous banned user or taken the mickey out of.
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Fair enough.
I'm still not quite sure what it is that the OP wants advice on :confused:
 
I think she's knew to the forum, but its still unfair having people taking the mickey when you just want advice!

I didn't mean for my post to sound quite as directed at you, it was just a general rant, directed at general people... Tehehe. :)
 
KellyJoArnold said:
I think she's knew to the forum, but its still unfair having people taking the mickey when you just want advice!
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I agree.

However, it does help if someone can describe a situation, and also clearly state what advice they are after.

I still don't know what the OP is after.....:o
 
KellyJoArnold said:
I think she's knew to the forum, but its still unfair having people taking the mickey when you just want advice!

I didn't mean for my post to sound quite as directed at you, it was just a general rant, directed at general people... Tehehe. :)
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No, it's OK. I can see your point. But I thought you might have better understanding of what OP writes and point me in the direction of the advice sought :)
Note: it is not sarcasm, I mean exactly what I have written... just in case you are wondering.
 
I think she is asking whether parelli can bring out aggression in horses?

IMO any training done incorrectly can cause behavioural problems in horses.. :)
 
KellyJoArnold said:
Martlin, I'm pretty sure OP isn't starting a bun fight, she just wants advice, and Smokey said she had 'lost the will to live' if I started a thread and needed help and had people writing that they are in histerics, and losing the will to live etc, then I would probably tell the poster who said that to 'do one' so to speak. Especially if I was new to the forum. I really am suprised hho gets new members. They are either labelled a troll, a previous banned user or taken the mickey out of.
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I'm sorry, I wasn't laughing at OP, it was other replies that were making me laugh.

OP - It would be helpful to know WHEN he bites, is it when you are feeding him? grooming him? tacking him up etc?

Is it a little nip or a proper sink teeth in with ears back?
 
Well, of course it can, like any other method used incorrectly. But that would be a very short thread, this question has been answered by many already :)

For what it's worth, I don't think it makes much sense to worry about it now, just move on, assess the horse's physical state and crack on with whatever it is you want to do with him, OP.
 
I usually give people the benefit of the doubt but this is so obviously a troll thread. Using an emotive word in the title after lots of parelli threads have recently been resurrected, an unclear story that keeps changing...
 
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