parrellied

Wagtail said:
I usually give people the benefit of the doubt but this is so obviously a troll thread. Using an emotive word in the title after lots of parelli threads have recently been resurrected, an unclear story that keeps changing...
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Do you mean we are being trollied lol.:). .?
 
Enfys said:
I am taking this thread at face value. I am not getting into the "Oh, what were you thinking of?" "Why didn't you...?" Or into the pro or anti parelli/NH/or any other method debate. There is no point, what is done is done, and who are mere readers to go off half cocked and righteously at someone/something we know nothing, or very little about? The whole point is what to do now?

I would suggest that you have a talk with your friend and find out exactly how she has trained him, and what cues she used for a start. If you are speaking different 'languages' then no wonder you are both confused, bit like sending a chinese child to an english speaking school, language, alphabet, customs, the whole kit and kaboodle is different.

I would start again with him to be honest. Right at the beginning, one step at a time, train him with the cues you want to use and are comfortable with. Don't bore the poor beast to death in a round pen, if he is rideable, ride him out. It really helps if these are traditional, because, as you have found, if the horse speaks a different language then it all goes pear shaped, and if you have to re-home the horse at anytime then the circle will just get repeated.

As for the biting, there could be any number of reasons as have been mentioned. Pain, confusion, you not handling him correctly (to his mind), pure naughtiness, temper.
I am no fluffy bunny, if a horse bites me then retribution follows, if a horse has a bit of my body in his mouth I don't stop and think "Awwwwwwwww, poor ponio" he gets a clout and then I do something about it before it happens again, change my ways, tie up shorter, higher, don't turn my back etc, mainly, don't give the bugger the opportunity to repeat the performance.

Good Luck.
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Very nicely put. No sarcasm and no nastiness. I notice the Scots are out in playground force :(
 
Fairynuff said:
I notice the Scots are out in playground force :(
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I notice all the Italians are out in force with their stupid unnecessary comments....

OP, really not understanding what you are trying to say, or why you have been bumping all the old contentious Parelli threads. Could you try and explain again, from the beginning, for us numpties please :) Stop worrying though, a lot of youngsters go through 'Kevin' stages regardless of their training.
 
I get the impression that Dolly hasn't used a forum before...
Some tips:
- don't drag up old threads
- be clear in your typing (use punctuation)
- think about what you want to ask and give all the background on the problem, preferably in chronological order
 
This is the story, I think. Dolly sent injured horse off to a friend at 3. There was no training contract, so presumably just some sort of low cost livery/rehab situation. Friend has some sort of parelli type background. Dolly now no longer speaks to friend. Her horse is now back and has bitten her and other people ( unspecified - there's bites and there's bites!!) and is not very obedient.

It seems to me that the horse, now 4 1/2 YO or so is semi-feral. If there is no training contract, then any training - Parelli or otherwise - would be minimal or random. I think Dolly is unhappy with the way her horse is behaving, and is trying to suggest that friend trained horse with Parelli methods and has messed it up.
It seems far more likely that the horse has been more or less hanging out for 18 mo, being a horse and not developing the kind of relationship with humans/trainers that is needed to develop it. Hence the biting - how horses communicate general pissed-offness to other horses and lack of comprehension of lunging, etc.
So this post is not actually about Parelli, but about someone trying to blame horses behaviour - rightly or wrongly - on a former friend and their training methods.
 
rhino said:
I notice all the Italians are out in force with their stupid unnecessary comments....

OP, really not understanding what you are trying to say, or why you have been bumping all the old contentious Parelli threads. Could you try and explain again, from the beginning, for us numpties please :) Stop worrying though, a lot of youngsters go through 'Kevin' stages regardless of their training.
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:D:D FWIW I am sorry if my answers have upset some of the more sensitive souls here. It would appear that this thread has divided opinion as to whether the OP has a genuine question, or is indeed a troll.
Giving the benefit of the doubt, and as I previously stated I hope she gets whatever her problem is sorted out. I just don't yet understand exactly what her problem is? :)
 
KellyJoArnold said:
Martlin, I'm pretty sure OP isn't starting a bun fight, she just wants advice, and Smokey said she had 'lost the will to live' if I started a thread and needed help and had people writing that they are in histerics, and losing the will to live etc, then I would probably tell the poster who said that to 'do one' so to speak. Especially if I was new to the forum. I really am suprised hho gets new members. They are either labelled a troll, a previous banned user or taken the mickey out of.
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For the record, I was in hysterics at the comment that there was a lot of rope wiggling going on. Not directed at OP as such, and not meant to offend. Was I honestly the only one who LOLed at that? :D:rolleyes::D
 
OP, the crucial thing to me seems to be that:

A) You sent your horse to spend half his life with an old and trusted friend,

B) Now he's back, you've no idea what she did with/to him but you don't talk to her any more.

Okay. Maybe you no longer wish to be her friend, but for the sake of your horse, I'd talk to her. We can't tell you what she did with him (parrelli or otherwise) from the clues you've given us.

I bought a mare with problems, so I've gone to some effort to talk to complete strangers who live hundreds of miles away but knew her previously. The info they've given me about her past has helped me deal with her "issues".

So, I'd get talking to your old friend if I were you.
 
Fairynuff said:
I have seen many replies which are 'stupid and unnecessary' and they are certainly not from 'Italians'. ;)
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Yet you assume someone based in Scotland must be Scottish/Scots? I'm not of Scottish birth, yet I live there. I could only see a couple of people who had their locations set as in Scotland reply before your idiotic comment, one of whom was extremely supportive and the other one who as finding humour in the replies. Not sure why the need for the disparaging, childish comment from you... :rolleyes:

OP are you still about? :D A little more info would really help :)
 
I think just start again, have you tried just using traditional methods lunging etc to see if he gets confused or not?

My loan horse went through a phase of VERY nasty constant biting for about two weeks along with a bit of general disrespect. I just worked on respect, if he went to bite me I would shove him away and shout no, and if he still managed it he would get a jolly good smack usually on the shoulder. He doesn't do it often anymore because he knows his boundaries. Sometimes he tries his luck again when I am being soft or if I get nervous/unsure and I just have to be more assertive and make sure he doesn't invade my space (i didn't let him approach me in the field for ages or follow me around as it always led to biting!). there is a difference between punching a horse in the face and a corrective smack.

I was covered in bruises and we get on much better now he knows it is unacceptable!
 
dolly1971 said:
thanks morgan I am trying to get hold of a parelli book. It is not his nature to be how he is being. It has been a long time since he has been goneand of course they do change as they grow up but this isnt normal
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Is he going at you ears flat back bearing teeth biting, or is he trying to bite and be mouthy whenever you are near as general normal behaviour without what would be normally recognised as an aggressive stance? Because if its the latter, then Im sorry to say that that behaviour IS normal for your horse, its normal with nearly all younger horses, some grow out of it, some need to be dealt with. It is a normal phase and perhaps the worst the woman who had him can be accused of is not stopping him from carrying out a behaviour he would have developed naturally. To be entirely honest, you don't really seem to have that much of an idea about training or handling methods yourself, nor do you seem to know what is normal and expected in horses. I would recommend that you pay someone to come in and train both you and your horse, that way you both learn together.
 
Samuelissimo said:
This is the story, I think. Dolly sent injured horse off to a friend at 3. There was no training contract, so presumably just some sort of low cost livery/rehab situation. Friend has some sort of parelli type background. Dolly now no longer speaks to friend. Her horse is now back and has bitten her and other people ( unspecified - there's bites and there's bites!!) and is not very obedient.

It seems to me that the horse, now 4 1/2 YO or so is semi-feral. If there is no training contract, then any training - Parelli or otherwise - would be minimal or random. I think Dolly is unhappy with the way her horse is behaving, and is trying to suggest that friend trained horse with Parelli methods and has messed it up.
It seems far more likely that the horse has been more or less hanging out for 18 mo, being a horse and not developing the kind of relationship with humans/trainers that is needed to develop it. Hence the biting - how horses communicate general pissed-offness to other horses and lack of comprehension of lunging, etc.
So this post is not actually about Parelli, but about someone trying to blame horses behaviour - rightly or wrongly - on a former friend and their training methods.
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Like..and agree
 
dolly1971 said:
I have had him back 2 days I have read some things on here re the confusion for the horse with redoing things. I havent tries to ride him. When she had him on a rope for lunging there was a lot rope wiggling going on
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I'm sorry too OP, this has literally made me snort out my cocoa... Parelli's o that a lot... ;) unhelpful comment I appreciate
 
OP. I'm sorry your horse has had a bad experience and perhaps you feel bad because you didn't realise he was unhappy with your friend.

However, my advice would be to forget the past and look at how your horse is today. Make that your starting point of reference. Be fair and consistent and give him a job to do. Don't focus on particular issues, just treat him like any other horse. Make no excuses for him because today he has his physical and emotional needs met. He's fine, not damaged. Just in need of being shown simply what behaviour is good. Thats your training programme. Enjoy.
 
queenbee his behavior is the first type you described. Its like he is defending himself I do have experience of varios equine behavior. I am just hurring round so much at the mo not getting chance to sit and think what I am writing and read all the posts. There have been some great messages of help kelly jo, morgan,efys to name a few. If I ever I get chance I will do this properly xx
 
dolly1971 said:
queenbee his behavior is the first type you described. Its like he is defending himself I do have experience of varios equine behavior. I am just hurring round so much at the mo not getting chance to sit and think what I am writing and read all the posts. There have been some great messages of help kelly jo, morgan,efys to name a few. If I ever I get chance I will do this properly xx
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I find this baffling. Do what properly? Why would it take longer to write clearly?

I'm not meaning to sound nasty, I'm genuinely asking.
 
Wagtail said:
I was about to write a reply but I'm far too busy rushing around to do it properly. :D
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OP, you seemed to have time to trawl through old parelli threads to find the most contentious ones and drag them back up. I don't see how typing things like "I'm too busy rushing around..." etc takes less time than a sentence of similar length explaining your situation or responding to replies.
 
FionaM12 thank people properly was what I think the OP meant.

OP I've only got one thing to say. If the horse doesn't lunge its possible he has never been taught to lunge. I'd go back to the beginning and teach lungeing as if you was starting an unbroken youngster. Just because you saw someone doing some ground work with the horse that involved a long rope, it doesn't mean it was lungeing.
 
rhino said:
Yet you assume someone based in Scotland must be Scottish/Scots? I'm not of Scottish birth, yet I live there. I could only see a couple of people who had their locations set as in Scotland reply before your idiotic comment, one of whom was extremely supportive and the other one who as finding humour in the replies. Not sure why the need for the disparaging, childish comment from you... :rolleyes:

OP are you still about? :D A little more info would really help :)
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get over yourself girl. I distinctly remember you telling me (elsewhere) that you enjoy coming onto the HHO to wind people up and what a lot of idiots most of the members are:) Not so nice, are you?
 
Sugar_and_Spice said:
FionaM12 thank people properly was what I think the OP meant.

Nope, I think she meant she's not got time to explain herself properly, she's been rushing about so busy that typing a proper explanation is impossible. It is however possible to trawl through previous Parelli threads and comment. She has been asked by several people here to take a bit of time to explain her problem coherently, but each time her answer is that she is too busy :confused:
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