Passport/Ownership advice

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skimobob

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When I moved 2 years ago a neighbour of mine gave me her mini shetland ponies on loan. She subsequently moved and gave me the ponies which I have now had for 2 years. However I have no passports or ownership details. I did try to obtain the details from her on numerous occasions but to no avail. She was completely above board as breeds horses so I've no worries about that. My question is how should I try and obtain a passport for them? They are mother and son and she is now 17 odd. Is it worth my while and will it make any difference to anything as far as I stand with them? i.e. if I sold them on or anything happens to them? They are obviously registered to vets but is there anywhere you can find out details on this sort of thing? Any thoughts/advice appreciated.
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I would just double check that they have never had a passport before and you have just been unable to obtain it from the old owner rather than them never having had one. Just as its offence not to a passport for a horse but it is an offence to obtain a second Passport of a horse/pony that has had one issued before.
 
Hi how do I check whether they have had one before? I can't get hold of the old owner at all. On the passport website it also says it is required to have them microchipped. I'm confused!
 
Are the horses mircochipped?

If not your vets will chip them and do a passport for you.

If they are you will need to get them scanned for proof you have the horses and get the details changed and still get an actual passport done.
 
skimobob said:
Hi how do I check whether they have had one before? I can't get hold of the old owner at all. On the passport website it also says it is required to have them microchipped. I'm confused!
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If they are having a brand new passport (ie a new number) then the PIO cant issue it after 2009 without also being given the microchip number.

Hence theres a financial incentive to find out for sure if they ever had one (a) so you dont have to chip unless you want to if they had a pp before (b) so you dont unknowlingly commit an offence by getting a passport for a horse thats had one issued.

Personally, given the tastes of the thieving community, any mini I would be chipping anyway, so you might consider doing it even if you dont have to. But I would make clear to the ex owner that youre not cross if they didnt have a PP (they might be worried about getting into trouble), you just need to know so you can get them the right docs.
 
yes, you will need them micrchipped as well.
everything receiving a new passport after 1st july 2010 must have a chip inserted at the time of passporting
 
skimobob said:
Hi how do I check whether they have had one before? I can't get hold of the old owner at all. On the passport website it also says it is required to have them microchipped. I'm confused!
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Its all very confusing I'm with you that one. Try this website for info on the microchipping issue.
http://horsepassportagency.com/

And this website is useful for trying to find out if they already have a passport, if you find they do have one you can apply to the issuing passport agency for a duplicate, but you will need to provide some kind of evidence that you are the actual owner, like a signed hand over document or sales receipt. I was caught out with this when I tried to change the owners name on my new horses passport. I eventually found by bank transfer receipt and they accepted that.
http://www.nedonline.co.uk/public/FAQ.aspx
 
You could check the national equine database to see if they already have passports, also if they are breed specific I was told by the horse passport agency they will not register the horse and will advise you to go to the breed specific agency.
 
Thanks for all of the replies. I have tried making contact with the old owner again recently and to no avail therefore if I needed proof of ownership from her I wouldn't get it! She also gave them to me as was just happy to find them a good home therefore I didn't pay anything.
Do you think the best thing to do would be to ring the passport helpline and ask their advice? I don't want to get in trouble but I didn't realise until recently it was against the law!
 
skimobob said:
Thanks for all of the replies. I have tried making contact with the old owner again recently and to no avail therefore if I needed proof of ownership from her I wouldn't get it! She also gave them to me as was just happy to find them a good home therefore I didn't pay anything.
Do you think the best thing to do would be to ring the passport helpline and ask their advice? I don't want to get in trouble but I didn't realise until recently it was against the law!
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Absolutly Good idea I would give them a call.
 
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