person charged with murder

[henryhorn]

You see sadly Lastrebel you alienate people like me who read your comments about scaring an animal enough to make it throw it's rider and instantly think, "Well he's got no credibilty whatsoever with a comment like that!"
What's the difference in chasing a fox or hare and scaring it and scaring a horse enough to make it so frightned it throws it's rider?
I always had a sneaking sympathy for the antis because I don't like seeing an animal killed either.
Then I was driving through a local village where a meet was happening and saw their landrover entirely covered in wire grills and with blacked out faced balaclavar wearing people inside.
They didn't emerge at all but pushed a couple of kids ponies along the road with their vehicle..
I'm afraid the image that gave me reminded me of the scum who murdered people in N Ireland recently, cowards one and all...
You are really wasting your efforts on here, most of us are reasonable minded people who make up our own minds on facts and what we see; boasting you think it's clever to scare horses is not really going to make anyone support your ideas now is it?

 

[faerie666]

the tactic of scaring a horse so it will throw the rider is I believe legitamate, but I would never purposefuly hurt them.

So, what about after you have scared the horse, the rider has fallen off, and said horse then gallops onto the nearest road in a panic and gets hit by some poor innocent car driver who was just minding his own business?
Chances are the horse will be severely injured and have to stand/lie there in great pain waiting for the vet to come and put it down, and the car driver may also be seriously injured.
If you think scaring a horse into throwing it's rider is ok, then you really are an idiot!

 

[palomino698]

LR get back in the pond.

What a blindingly stupid thing to say. Deliberately causing an accident takes a peculiarly perverted mentality, it's no wonder most of us cannot empathise with your type.

 

[smirnoff_ice07]

LR, how the f*** can u compare fox hunters with rapists and paedophiles? At the end of the day a man has been killed by antis deliberatey or not who knows? You make all these self righteous remarks and then make stupid comments like it's fine to scare a horse in to throwing its rider. Dont think any one on here can take u seriously tbh!

 

[JanetGeorge]

as for the fact your lot have killed 3 sabs (I can only think of two who have died directly from your lots actions) , given your history thats not a suprise.

NO sab has died directly as a result of hunt supporters actions! Two have unfortunately died as a result of their own actions!

The first was at the Cheshire Beagles - from memory I think it was the '92-'93 season. Hunting had been abandoned and a sab named Mike Hill fell off the back of the hunt pick-up which was towing the hound trailer. Reports of what he was doing at the time vary but at one stage he had allegedly taken the cap off the fuel tank and was brandishing a lighter near it.

The huntsman's house was attacked that night and later burnt down. The police investigated thoroughly and decided it was an accident. The sabs brought a private prosecution against the huntsman - that failed. The huntsman had to leave hunt service as he and his family were constantly targetted and harrassed.

The second was at the Cambridgeshire - in 1994 I think. A young lad called Tom Worby was taken out by a particularly unsavoury female sab (who the sab organisations tried to distance themselves from later!) Again, hunting had been abandoned due to the violence of the sab attack. The huntsman was driving the lorry with horses and hounds on board slowly down a lane when he was surrounded by a large number of sabs, shouting abuse and trying to climb on the vehicle. The huntsman continued driving very slowly and in the melee, the lad got his clothing hooked up on the wing mirror and fell under the lorry. Again, coroner's court/police decided it was an accident and that the huntsman had no case to answer. Even the boy's grandparents blamed the sabs for his death!! The huntsman - despite being cleared of all blame - was so distressed by the accident he took early retirement (unlike the sabs!).

The third death of an animal 'rights' campaigner (Jill Phipps) was nothing to do with hunting. She died under a livestock lorry at Coventry airport. Again, it was an accident and the driver was not charged even with dangerous driving (he was travelling slowly and just couldn't stop in time when she tried to block the lorry.)

But I don't suppose we can expect a sab to get his facts right!!

 

[fIsHiNg]

all hunters are scum

 

[lastrebel]

Thanks for all your kind comments.
I think the cases of the two men who were killed were sufficiently covered in the press. I'm sure some of your number were overjoyed when it happend.
Lets not forget that whilst your insulting my thoughts and actions I'm not the one who is getting their kicks from killing things. Any action I have ever taken has been to stop a hunt not because I get off on it.

 

[horseguy]

You just carry on hiding behind your computer screen you pathetic little inadequate person, why don't you go and play somewhere else, I am sure there are plenty of Hunt Sab forums you can play on to your litlle hearts content.

 

[fIsHiNg]

Hunters killed 3 sabs that is a fact. Sabs have only killed one hunter.

 

[horseguy]

Instead of coming on here being the "Prick" that you are, why don't you go and do something useful, like.....

Why not start a campaign against the ritual slaughter of animals here in the E.U., where many thousands of animals are slaughtered without being stunned, and die a painful death, Hal Al, Kosher, Shechita.

These practices should be outlawed

WARNING* Do not view these video's unless you are fully aware that they show ritual animal slaughter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEAtaLp137E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIMoQVnPn4Q&feature=related

Do something useful, and leave us alone

 

[lastrebel]

Horseguy dont say I'm hiding behind my computer I'm not scared of a few farm labourers.You being in Lancashire makes it difficult.
I wish I could meet you then we would see who backs down.
maybe someone will invite you to Warks or worcs for the day.
Then you could tell me to my face.

 

[Izaac_Walton]

You're sick!

 

[the watcher]

lastrebel, normally I don't bother responding to idiots - well one or two perhaps when they are in real danger of injuring themselves - but I will make an exception in your case.

You claim that people hunt because they get some kind of thrill out of chasing and terrorising animals. I can tell you from experience that drag hunting is just as exciting and there is absolutely no kind of live quarry needed to make galloping across country in the company of friends and fit horses exciting. In fact the fox, when they were part of the package, was of little consequence to most of the following field who often didn't see a fox all day. The was always a very small group of hunt professionals who might be in at the kill, if there was a kill.

People hunted, and now trail ride, primarily for the exhilaration, because it is good discipline and training for the horses and because the funds raised support the countryside. Also it is the only way to support yet another dying countryside tradition.

To suggest that people only hunt because they relish hurting any kind of animals is all about you attributing YOUR values to other people.

 

[lastrebel]

mother hen, I agree so why do so many of your kind defend so ademently your right to kill wild animals.
Why do they flout the laws of the land by still chasing foxes if its such a small part of your day.

if what you said was true we wouldn't be having this conversation.

this arguement has raged for a hundred years we wont be able to answer it.

 

[the watcher]

My kind?

What kind would that be?

The kind that is happy to shoot rats where they are causing a problem? Yup

The kind that will dispatch moles instantly where they are causing a problem? Yup

Will happily do that, but will never never poison them. Do you know why? Because it is a nasty lingering death and THAT is cruel.

Life is nasty, sometimes we are overrun with disease spreading vermin. As long as we deal with those in the most effective way, identifying problem animals and not disposing all of a species locally indiscriminately, I have ot say I don't see a problem.

I am comfortable that hunting was one of the most effective methods for controlling fox population, it culled the old and the weak and never left an animal injured and suffering. However, that is not the point here.

Your point was that people hunt because they enjoyed killing foxes, mine is that the death of a fox was mostly incidental and irrelevant to most people who follow hounds. Just as shooting rats is not fun, it just needs to be done - poisoning would be easier.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Hunters killed 3 sabs that is a fact. Sabs have only killed one hunter.

Oh dear - another one with no understanding of FACTS!!

2 sabs have died in accidents connected with hunting. No charges were brought against the huntsmen involved by police - and private prosecutions failed. It didn't make anyone feel 'better' - the two huntsmen involved effectively lost their homes and jobs because of the accidents because the sabs wouldn't accept the verdict of the courts.

One hunt supporter has now died - and animal rights activist has been charged with murder. Hunt supporters will wait for a court verdict and WILL respect it - whatever it is.

 

[horseguy]

Horseguy dont say I'm hiding behind my computer I'm not scared of a few farm labourers.You being in Lancashire makes it difficult.
I wish I could meet you then we would see who backs down.
maybe someone will invite you to Warks or worcs for the day.
Then you could tell me to my face.

Oh look...more threats!

Isn't it about time you crawled out of the school playground and grew up?
Making childish threats on an Internet forum, not very adult is it?

You are here on the Horse & Hound forums, you have made it very obvious you are here to cause trouble, why don't you go and play on your "Sabs" web sites, so you can all play at saying how really tough you all are, brag to each other how many woman and children you have terrorised.

Infact, you are no different than a terrorist, you have so much in common with Bin Laden.


Just go away

 

[lastrebel]

Peter, no threats, just telling it like it is.You should pleased that you have made such an impression.

 

[lastrebel]

Janet

. Hunt supporters will wait for a court verdict and WILL respect it - whatever it is.
Your lot respecting the law that will be a first, have you heard of the hunting act.

 

[lastrebel]

My kind ? The kind who kill for pleasure and then try to justify it to themselves.

Mother hen, "I am comfortable that hunting was one of the most effective methods for controlling fox population, it culled the old and the weak and never left an animal injured and suffering. "
I agree, but that isnt the whole story. how do you justify cubbing, traping foxes and letting them lose for a hunt.
etc etc thats where my issues lie.

 

[smirnoff_ice07]

LR, will you give it a rest!!! Yes everyone has a right to voice their opinion but we don't need it rammed down our throats!!
Is it not pretty obvious this is a PRO hunting forum, for people who support hunting for all the good it does for the countryside. If you can't see that you are plain stupid, you can't really expect anyone on here to agree with you so stop annoying us!!

 

[lastrebel]

ok I'm off

 

[the watcher]

lastrebel, we have moved on a bit from the opening post.

Cubbing - mostly training new hounds in my experience, lots of standing around and scent following, very few kills.

Digging in and releasing foxes for hunts. Not something I would ever have supported, I understand it happened occasionally although I never saw it.

Licensing hunting would have dealt with these issues without the requirement for a complete ban - and even amongst those who have hunted and remain in favour of fox hunting, there would have been widespread support for a limit on some of the activities of some terrier men.

Not everybody who has hunted foxes is a complete monster, just as not everybody who objects to hunting is wrong to hold that opinion. It is how we deal with our differences that matters. I would never gloat over the death of a hunt protester, perhaps you could have the good manners not to do the same, at least on a public forum.

 

[peakpark]

ok I'm off

But are you Last Rebel? Are you really?
We've read similar heartening news from Monkey Magic in the past, but then he finds he just can't resist one more post.
You should try and break the mould and stick to your word.

 

[combat_claire]

Janet

. Hunt supporters will wait for a court verdict and WILL respect it - whatever it is.
Your lot respecting the law that will be a first, have you heard of the hunting act.

Yes, which is why every hunt is doing their utmost to abide by the exemptions contained within it. If we didn't care about the law, do you think we'd have spent thousands of pounds on eagles, obscure urine samples for trail laying and appropriate weapons for dispatching mink??

 

[kindofanti]

I'm an "anti" in that I don't accept all the pro arguments. I've never been hunting or even seen a hunt, but I find the thought of some aspects of this sport pretty unsavoury. On balance, though, I disagree with the ban, especially this ban which in a way has united pros and antis alike because it satisfies neither.

Anyway, that's my view on hunting. I just wanted to say how sorry I feel about this man's death. What an awful thing to happen. It must be like a nightmare to his family and friends. If justice needs to be done I hope it will be. In the meantime, for what it's worth, I sincerely hope that everyone touched by this tragedy can eventually find a kind of solace, perhaps in remembering the life of the victim, who was clearly a popular and decent man.

 

[lastrebel]

only the good die young

 

[Doormouse]

How very refreshing to have someone who admits that they do not agree with the pro hunting people but can post a sympathetic and polite message without bias. Good on you.

Re: Lastrebel - what exactly do you mean when you say 'only the good die young'?

 

[rosie fronfelen]

last rebel keeps saying he/she is going, well, just go. you have nothing to contribute on what is a hunting forum. i appreciate that there are people who are anti hunting, that is a bit different from being a saboteur. an anti has his opinion the same as a supporter, but the need for violence is extreme and does nothing but create animosity between all concerned. sabs need to take a step back and give a thought for their actions.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

post script- definition of a saboteur is someone who partakes in sabotage which is a deliberate action aimed at weakening an opponent through obstruction, disruption and/or destruction. not a very pleasant "handle" to bear, is it!!