Petition to ban horse slaughter in the UK.

paisley said:
Oh yes, loved the 'phone the police' one! Almost as much as a call to boycott the Queens visit to Ireland because:
"Rember what her ancestors done to our ancestors mureded,tortured,and strip us of every thing that we had e.g are launage/religion"

I'm just boggled eyed at it all
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Wow!!!! The government need to chuck all the ££££ they have into education because it is clearly failing....

We`re all uneducated bitches apparently :)
 
Amaranta said:
The mind boggles at the stupidity of the fluffy bunny brigade :confused:
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there is nothing wrong with being a bunny hugger if the bunny hugger has a brain, in which case they would not be stupid enough to think that a ban was a good thing. You will never shut them up in their argument, you can only hope that the government will just ignore them
 
queenbee said:
there is nothing wrong with being a bunny hugger if the bunny hugger has a brain, in which case they would not be stupid enough to think that a ban was a good thing. You will never shut them up in their argument, you can only hope that the government will just ignore them
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You are quite right queenbee, I tend to have a few bunny hugging traits myself, but like to think I have a brain too :D
 
penhwnllys_stardust said:
Did you see the part when one of the 10 year olds say they are in cntact with a goverment person haha :)
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Cant believe they`ve gone to bed!!! Sent OH up the pub and Im sat here waiting for another numpty to dazzle me with their intelligence!
I`d love to see the actual petition!!!

'Pitition 2 stop the saluter of osses' :D
 
Sorry not had time to read all replies just read the OP and it got my back up
Bloody ignorant irratating people, where do they think all the unwanted, over bred horses will end up.
It will be long horrid life draining journeys to slaughter houses in other countries.
Forget a petition to ban slaughter houses in the uk, there should be more of them in the uk
 
Tell you what. Let's slaughter all of the ignoramuses (Chambers Dictionary, we are ignorant, we ignore, take no notice). Tough but fair.
And so to bed.
 
friesian80 said:
Nothing wold be achieved atm!!! You'd probably have many more ex-racers getting part from piller to post and many more cases of cruelty. But I just wonder why ppl say 'more slaughterhouses are needed' instead of saying the overbreeding issue on the UK needs to be addressed???
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and what would it acheive long term? do you think people are going to start burying their dangerous/ill horses in their back gardens?

or are you happy that a horse may travel thousands of miles enjure a horrific journey then die slowley?

I really fail to see how anyone could want to ban slaughter houses in the uk! to be fair if like europe we all got over ourself and ate pony pies then at least the over breeding would be going back in to the uk economy!
 
The reason i state that we need more slaughter houses is that at present there are only 2, turners and potters.
Neither of these slaughter houses are local to many people (but a darn sight more local than france) They are both regulated to a good standard.
So hence i would like to see more like them so that horse/ponies do not have to wait before being put out of their misery in a humane way.
the over breeding is a problem that will never be stopped whilst we have ignorant people that think a cute little foal is a money maker, or inbred, mixed bred ponies reproducing on common land that then sell only to the meat man at a silly price, also the racing industry will always over breed because they are all looking for THE ONE and you cannot guarantee getting that by breeding 2 top horses together, too many flukes rise to the top and so they should or the rest of us would never have a chance.
So yes as you can see i am all for more slaughter houses they are the the best thing that can happen to many of our unwanted horses
 
Enfys said:
.......Banning slaughter houses for horses is absolutely one of the worst things that could happen - more are needed, not less. .......
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Exactly this.

The problem has been compounded by the Medicinal Record in passports. From what I can make of it, if this section is signed by an owner, or representative, at any time during the horses life, then that animal will never be able to enter the food chain.

What I don't understand, is that the relevant section is in 2 parts. Part A can be signed by an owner to prevent such slaughter, and then part B, is the reverse of this. Does anyone know how it works, in practice? Were part A signed, and dated, then the horse was sold on and the new owner signed part B, but at a later date, then would the second signature and date reverse the original owners condition? If anyone is certain of their facts, then I'd be interested to hear of them.

The section itself is in place in the event that the animal has ever been administered a drug which would automatically bar it. Though very rarely used for equines, Rompon would be one example.

I don't know of any charities, or equine bodies, who have the courage to support a much needed disposal system, but the current system seems to be adding to the current problems, and though many will disagree with me, the time for change is now.

Alec.
 
The reason i state that we need more slaughter houses is that at present there are only 2, turners and potters.
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But equine slaughter is a demand-driven *industry.* If there are only two slaughter houses in the entire UK, that presumably mirrors the demand. It's unlikely that opening further equine abbatoirs would be profitable. Slaughter is not a service but a profit driven business.

From the articles I've read, Potters and Turners only slaughter horses one day a week and then on a massive scale, but they don't have a enough business to run their operations every day. Please correct me if this is not true.

And they don't take elderly, ill, or starving animals, only animals that are suitable for meat. That means many of the horses who go to slaughter are young, ie ex-racehorses.
 
I heard a very good programe on the wireless this morning about the plight of the Dartmoor ponies. Eleven ponies were killed on air which made heart rending listening, but, the slaughterman made some very valid points about the stress involved in what he had just done and the live export of ponies for slaughter in Italy. I really recommend anyone who cares about horses to listen to this programe, Open Country, is the name of it.

If horses and ponies need to be slaughtered, which of course has to happen in the real world, then it is our responsibility to do it in the UK where it is done to our checkable standards, not to abdicate responsibility for these animals to the horrors of long journeys and European slaughter houses.
 
AndySpooner said:
I heard a very good programe on the wireless this morning about the plight of the Dartmoor ponies. Eleven ponies were killed on air which made heart rending listening, but, the slaughterman made some very valid points about the stress involved in what he had just done and the live export of ponies for slaughter in Italy. I really recommend anyone who cares about horses to listen to this programe, Open Country, is the name of it.

If horses and ponies need to be slaughtered, which of course has to happen in the real world, then it is our responsibility to do it in the UK where it is done to our checkable standards, not to abdicate responsibility for these animals to the horrors of long journeys and European slaughter houses.
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The programme is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zgwhl
 
jhoward said:
and what would it acheive long term? do you think people are going to start burying their dangerous/ill horses in their back gardens?

or are you happy that a horse may travel thousands of miles enjure a horrific journey then die slowley?

I really fail to see how anyone could want to ban slaughter houses in the uk! to be fair if like europe we all got over ourself and ate pony pies then at least the over breeding would be going back in to the uk economy!
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Hmm I really dont get what your on about tbh, show me a horse owner who would ship their ill/dangerous horse overseas to be slaughtered rather than having them PTS and incinerated or given to the huntsmen? If im not mistaken im pretty surer its illegal to ship horses out of the UK to be slaughtered
The horse slaughterhouses are mainly to dispose of unwanted exracers, or on the occasion a faimily pet is sent for slaughter (which I personally dont agree with but I do understand it is done).
Horse slaughter isnt the only way to deal with a horse who needs to be PTS, and the majority of horse owners will use another method.
As I said before instead of saying lets have more slaughterhouses why dont we try and address the problem of overbreeding?
Atm I know fine well if horse slaughter in ther UK was banned there would be many exracer who would be past from piller to post.
A lot have no problem with horse slaughter, they see it no different to slaughtering sheep, pigs, cows, chickens etc.
I live on a croft and dont have a problem carting the sheep even the male goats for slaughter, we kill our own ducks for xmas dinner, so im not living in a fluffy bunny world where I think no animals should be killed. However I put my horses in the same class as my dogs and cats who I would never send to be slaughtered, when the time comes I will get a vet out to PTS.
As for the multi million business of horse racing perhaps if they were made to pay vet to PTS the ex-racers on site and incinerate, they may not be so quick to overbreed in the numbers they do.
 
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Hmm I really dont get what your on about tbh, show me a horse owner who would ship their ill/dangerous horse overseas to be slaughtered rather than having them PTS and incinerated or given to the huntsmen? If im not mistaken im pretty surer its illegal to ship horses out of the UK to be slaughtered
The horse slaughterhouses are mainly to dispose of unwanted exracers, or on the occasion a faimily pet is sent for slaughter (which I personally dont agree with but I do understand it is done).
Horse slaughter isnt the only way to deal with a horse who needs to be PTS, and the majority of horse owners will use another method.
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Good points, Friesan80.

AndySpooner, would it actually be legal under the current system to transport those Dartmoor ponies to Italy for slaughter?
 
AndySpooner said:
I heard a very good programe on the wireless this morning about the plight of the Dartmoor ponies. Eleven ponies were killed on air which made heart rending listening, but, the slaughterman made some very valid points about the stress involved in what he had just done and the live export of ponies for slaughter in Italy. I really recommend anyone who cares about horses to listen to this programe, Open Country, is the name of it.

If horses and ponies need to be slaughtered, which of course has to happen in the real world, then it is our responsibility to do it in the UK where it is done to our checkable standards, not to abdicate responsibility for these animals to the horrors of long journeys and European slaughter houses.
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Well said, completely agree with this
 
brigantia said:
Good points, Friesan80.

AndySpooner, would it actually be legal under the current system to transport those Dartmoor ponies to Italy for slaughter?
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Yes - these ponies DO go to the continent for slaughter, the regulations are regularly ignored by bin end dealers, there are few if any checks made at the ports. By banning slaughter here you would be consigning more horses and ponies to this, just as the americans have done to theirs.

You would be far far better spending your time preventing the overbreeding of unwanted equines and trying to do something about the animals that come in and out of the UK for the meat market.
 
As I mentioned earlier, California criminalised not only horse slaughter, but also the sale of horses out of state for slaughter. And it's very easy to get round that law, and nobody's got the resources to chase every truck of horses that leaves the country for the rest of their lives, just to make sure that they really are being sold as children's ponies and not handbags.
 
SusannaF said:
As I mentioned earlier, California criminalised not only horse slaughter, but also the sale of horses out of state for slaughter. And it's very easy to get round that law, and nobody's got the resources to chase every truck of horses that leaves the country for the rest of their lives, just to make sure that they really are being sold as children's ponies and not handbags.
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Exactly! These people are so shortsighted it makes my eyes hurt!
 
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