petition to make the Grand National safer

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You never knew her so you will never understand how special she was to me. She died on my nans funeral, my nan was ready to go and she wasnt. I never miss my nan, but I miss her a lot. My animals are a huge part of my life, whereas only a few humans are. However I cannot control how much I love each animal, I cannot MAKE myself love people more. It may sound harsh but the truth is there are not many humans that I would want to see every day, I will always choose to spend my time with my pets. I value them a lot more than I value a lot of my family. But I have had a lot of trouble with my family, so if not wanting to see them makes me a bad person, well then I'm a horrible person
 
lannerch said:
I do question those posters though refusing to accept other peoples point of view just because it is differnt to their own.
It is not fair to mock someone just because they feel something you cannot relate to we are all different that is what makes the world go round!
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You'll find that happens a lot in this forum ....
 
lannerch said:
I must confess I have in life cared more in life for an animal than I have for many people, I feel guilty for that can't help it its how it was.
And when she died I really greaved, still fell sorrow but thats life. granted I would greave a lot more for most of my respective family but not all.
I would however never put an animal life above a human if it was choice between animal and human human would have to win.

I do come across death regularly at work so maybe that insensitises me to it a bit.

I do question those posters though refusing to accept other peoples point of view just because it is differnt to their own.
It is not fair to mock someone just because they feel something you cannot relate to we are all different that is what makes the world go round!
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Agree with this. Everyone is different. Some people are not lucky enough to have EVER had a person in their lives that loves them or that they can feel close enough to. They may have been abused, gone through the care sytsem, abandoned, or just old and alone. Animals can be all they have or all they trust. We do not know the backgrounds to people on here so to start shouting and making judgements just because they are not the same as us is sickening and bullying. We should have respect for people's emotions and feelings as these cannot be helped. They just are. Feelings should not be up for attack.
 
martlin said:
there you go, especially for you a program in English about it from 2008, it has been made ''safer'', but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjr2FIrLcjI
the race itself starts at 9min

oranica, or in English the ploughed ground is their favourite bit ;)
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Ta! :D I think I like it because its like hunting but in a race! I really really want to do it! Perhaps I should set up my own one around the farm! :D
 
ridefast - are you a windup? You gotta be!

P.S. We established earlier in this thread that 'riding fast' is in fact dangerous, cruel and barbaric among many other things and that it'd be safer for all [horses] if speed limits were imposed in racing.





Can't believe I just had the opportunity to type that.
 
ridefast said:
You never knew her so you will never understand how special she was to me. She died on my nans funeral, my nan was ready to go and she wasnt. I never miss my nan, but I miss her a lot. My animals are a huge part of my life, whereas only a few humans are. However I cannot control how much I love each animal, I cannot MAKE myself love people more. It may sound harsh but the truth is there are not many humans that I would want to see every day, I will always choose to spend my time with my pets. I value them a lot more than I value a lot of my family. But I have had a lot of trouble with my family, so if not wanting to see them makes me a bad person, well then I'm a horrible person
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Sounds like you have your own personal issues. Ones that have nothing to do with a GN debate though.
 
Munchkin said:
ridefast - are you a windup? You gotta be!

P.S. We established earlier in this thread that 'riding fast' is in fact dangerous, cruel and barbaric among many other things and that it'd be safer for all [horses] if speed limits were imposed in racing.

Can't believe I just had the opportunity to type that.
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OMG what a brilliant plan! They should limit it to a working trot maybe, they should only go round once (so they don't get tired), and get rid of the jumps altogether! Perfect! ;)
 
Munchkin - I knew a ram called munchkin, is it really you?? I never knew you had internet! How are your ears? Do you still like to charge strangers? hope you're happy :) hugs and love xxx
 
Wagtail said:
Oh come on! It's like feeding time at the zoo. :D
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It's not bullying. Come on a pro racing forum (H&H is a pro racing, pro hunting publication) and bang on about how cruel everything is and how much you love your bunnies - what do you expect people to say? "Oh that's nice dear, good for you, we like to see horses die it's us who are the evil ones - all praise you!"

I don't think so!
 
Munchkin said:
AppyMadness - please elaborate on any possible conspiracy theory? I'm intrigued?

lassiesuca - if you honestly cannot understand why what you've just said is sick, I give up :(
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oooooh! Not sure I should say!!! I might get myself into trouble!!!! lol:D
Does make you wonder if some of the horses are 'specifically chosen' to enter the race as not really ready for the race, altho perceived to be fit & ready so to give Certain other horses a better chance in winning. So to make the more 'powerful people' win loads of money! An outsider came very close to winning the Grand National - Was that suppose to happen??
Maybe ive just watched LOck Stock and Snatch too much!!!! lol!

Ive always thought there are alternative theories behind the racing world. who really Knows???? lol!
 
Appymadness said:
oooooh! Not sure I should say!!! I might get myself into trouble!!!! lol:D
Does make you wonder if some of the horses are 'specifically chosen' to enter the race as not really ready for the race, altho perceived to be fit & ready so to give Certain other horses a better chance in winning. So to make the more 'powerful people' win loads of money! An outsider came very close to winning the Grand National - Was that suppose to happen??
Maybe ive just watched LOck Stock and Snatch too much!!!! lol!

Ive always thought there are alternative theories behind the racing world. who really Knows???? lol!
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FFS, I'm giving up!
 
Starbucks said:
It's not bullying. Come on a pro racing forum (H&H is a pro racing, pro hunting publication) and bang on about how cruel everything is and how much you love your bunnies - what do you expect people to say? "Oh that's nice dear, good for you, we like to see horses die it's us who are the evil ones - all praise you!"

I don't think so!
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Actually, a large proportion of this forum are what you love to term as bunny huggers. In my recent poll regarding field ornaments 80% of people said they would keep a horse that had become too old or injured to ride rather than PTS and half of them would do it even if it meant they couldn't afford another horse to ride. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=447453
In my other poll, 60% of people would like to see changes to the GN to make it safer or ban it all together. Only 40% wanted to see it stay the same. ;)

And yes there is bullying on this thread and others.
 
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I think this thread has sent everyone, including myself Bonkers!!!!
I'm just being silly now! Trying to make light of it all.
 
Appymadness said:
oooooh! Not sure I should say!!! I might get myself into trouble!!!! lol:D
Does make you wonder if some of the horses are 'specifically chosen' to enter the race as not really ready for the race, altho perceived to be fit & ready so to give Certain other horses a better chance in winning. So to make the more 'powerful people' win loads of money! An outsider came very close to winning the Grand National - Was that suppose to happen??
Maybe ive just watched LOck Stock and Snatch too much!!!! lol!

Ive always thought there are alternative theories behind the racing world. who really Knows???? lol!
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Well it seems to have failed then as I happily won a few hundred squid when Mon Mome romped home at 100-1
 
Thanks for some of the replies.

It's weird, I've just watched a thing on t.v. about animal testing and rights, and some really interesting questions were raised which I'm now thinking about.

I think I'd like to clarify a few points though, which I feel people have misinterpreted;

1) Obviously I'd save my Mum over my horse, or any of my immediate/close family and friends.

2) I wouldn't be ''more'' upset if I lost my horse than my Mum/Dad etc.

The point I was making is that I'd be just as upset if I lost my beloved pony as I would a close friend. I can't account for family, because close family- it's never happened. But I don't think anyone is in the place to tell me how I should of felt when my friend died? You don't realise how much that hurt me, saying that? Because you don't know how upsetting it was to lose both of them at a similar time. However, it still hurts a lot with my dog, because every morning, I have to go downstairs and see the spot where his bed was, empty. No more walks in the orchard, when I was a young kid, we used to fall asleep in the boot of my Mum's old car, in the summer when it was really hot with the boot open, my other dog who passed two years ago, was just as upsetting. I watched her litter of puppies being born at the age of 6, I got to help ''look after'' her children. Her pups.



Another poster said ''what do animals do for us?''

When I've had a crap day, feeling down in the dumps or even when I'm already in a good mood, lightens my mood.

When I need to relax, I can sit in the field or walk up to the woods and detox.

I can't describe what they do for my soul, they just make me feel happy :)

Equally I have friends and family who do this too. But then my horse is part of my family therefore he is just a valuable part. I don't feel I need to justify that or feel ashamed because of that :) and nor should anyone else. If you don't value your animals like that- that is absolutely fine.

But for me, my animals are irreplacable, they are ''replaceable'' but they are never the same. Ever.
 
Wagtail said:
Actually, a large proportion of this forum are what you love to term as bunny huggers. In my recent poll regarding field ornaments 80% of people said they would keep a horse that had become too old or injured to ride rather than PTS and half of them would do it even if it meant they couldn't afford another horse to ride. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=447453
In my other poll, 60% of people would like to see changes to the GN to make it safer or ban it all together. Only 40% wanted to see it stay the same. ;)

And yes there is bullying on this thread and others.
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Perhaps a poll on how to rid this forum of the (minority) rude, arrogant, narcissistic bullying element would be a good idea?
 
Wagtail said:
Actually, a large proportion of this forum are what you love to term as bunny huggers. In my recent poll regarding field ornaments 80% of people said they would keep a horse that had become too old or injured to ride rather than PTS and half of them would do it even if it meant they couldn't afford another horse to ride. http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=447453
In my other poll, 60% of people would like to see changes to the GN to make it safer or ban it all together. Only 40% wanted to see it stay the same. ;)

And yes there is bullying on this thread and others.
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Good for you then! Obviously, if my horse went lame tomorrow I'd have him shot immediately, and would never want for GN to be made more safe for horses, that would just be crazy, where's the fun in that?

Why would I sign a petition, generated by someone who does not know what they are talking about? If it were one that was well thought out, by someone who was involved in the racing industry and knew what they were on about I would, but some kid on a forum, who thinks all races at Aintree are round the grand national fences? No thanks. Just makes it seem like a farse.

Then when people join in talking about their actual bunnies and how they love them more than family members??? Come on???!!
 
Golf Girl said:
Perhaps a poll on how to rid this forum of the (minority) rude, arrogant, narcissistic bullying element would be a good idea?
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I doubt it :).

If some of us get too sentimental about things, we're deemed as bunny huggers who need to 'toughen up'.

Never be ashamed to be who you are or stand for what you believe in. And that goes for everyone, but we can do it without totally condemning people or their beliefs.

I've not called some of you callous, heartless, vile bitches? I've not said you don't love your animals less than I, I've not said that, nor has anyone else? I don't get why everyone has to resort to name calling ''delusional'' and ''need help'' and ''bunny huggers''

It's sort of back to the stereotypical ''don't call me that'' thing.

If you like dressage ''you're a cruel cow who does rollkur''
If you like western ''you are a bitch who loves rodeo''
If you, like me, are interested in Portuguese/Spanish riding ''Must support bullfighting''
If you like racing ''you must be a heartless idiot''

It's just the same, just because someone stands for something, or perhaps disagrees and takes a more ''enlightened'' view on something, we're called a bunny hugger?

Is this what we're lowering ourselves to? Perhaps I need a name for some of you guys ;)
 
lassiesuca said:
I doubt it :).

If some of us get too sentimental about things, we're deemed as bunny huggers who need to 'toughen up'.

Never be ashamed to be who you are or stand for what you believe in. And that goes for everyone, but we can do it without totally condemning people or their beliefs.

I've not called some of you callous, heartless, vile bitches? I've not said you don't love your animals less than I, I've not said that, nor has anyone else? I don't get why everyone has to resort to name calling ''delusional'' and ''need help'' and ''bunny huggers''

It's sort of back to the stereotypical ''don't call me that'' thing.

If you like dressage ''you're a cruel cow who does rollkur''
If you like western ''you are a bitch who loves rodeo''
If you, like me, are interested in Portuguese/Spanish riding ''Must support bullfighting''
If you like racing ''you must be a heartless idiot''

It's just the same, just because someone stands for something, or perhaps disagrees and takes a more ''enlightened'' view on something, we're called a bunny hugger?

Is this what we're lowering ourselves to? Perhaps I need a name for some of you guys ;)
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Go for it! I go fox hunting and love NH racing! :) What ever name you come up with I'm sure will be quite fitting.

Not really that sure what you're talking about with the rest of it. Think I'd take you more seriously though, if you'd done a bit more research as you say you have with rollkur and bull fighting.
 
Starbucks said:
Go for it! I go fox hunting and love NH racing! :) What ever name you come up with I'm sure will be quite fitting.

Not really that sure what you're talking about with the rest of it. Think I'd take you more seriously though, if you'd done a bit more research as you say you have with rollkur and bull fighting.
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Well I've already stated that I've seen errors in my petition. Are we still on that one ;) I thought the topic had ''matured'' ;)
 
lassiesuca said:
Well I've already stated that I've seen errors in my petition. Are we still on that one ;) I thought the topic had ''matured'' ;)
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I want a name!

The point is, I can't understand how people can make such a quick judgement on something they know relatively little about. Not just you but all the random journalists/TV celebs who have felt the need to stick there ore in.

Do your research, then make a thread like this. You are not going to learn what will make the GN safer in a matter of hours/days.
 
Starbucks said:
I want a name!

The point is, I can't understand how people can make such a quick judgement on something they know relatively little about. Not just you but all the random journalists/TV celebs who have felt the need to stick there ore in.

Do your research, then make a thread like this. You are not going to learn what will make the GN safer in a matter of hours/days.
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I'm not lowering myself to that, starbucks :)

I think you've hit it on the head though, why are we judging people we don't know? Why are we telling people how they should feel?

Anyway, I'm bored of this now, I hate how debates on here always sprial out of control, from both sides. I don't want to get caught in this anymore

Anyway of getting this thread locked? Mods?
 
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