petition to make the Grand National safer

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nuttynugget said:
Unfortunately when it comes to horse welfare our countries debt means nothing to me..

I'm not just opposed to racing because it kills horses I think it is a cruel sport. If any of you had the opportunity would you race your own horse? I definitely wouldn't risk it.

Why are people fore racing? I don't understand
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I was discussing this in college today (re: ethical theories). Yours is a very dogmatic view. You need to consider the bigger picture and be more pragmatic. If racing was banned there would be thousands of horses shot and some would just be abandoned leaving rescue centres unable to cope which would be detrimental to the welfare of the horses affected. There would also be loss of jobs, not just directly within the racing industry (jockeys, trainers, grooms, racecourse staff) but within the hospitality industry in areas near racecourses. I am sure there were other repercussions we discussed but I have a cold and want to go to bed!

If racing is banned, it sets a precedent and how long would it be until XC is banned....then SJ and even Dressage!?

I don't like racing and think it's awful that horses die (as they do in other diciplines too) but I do think that banning it would also cause its fair share of problems!
 
nuttynugget said:
Unfortunately when it comes to horse welfare our countries debt means nothing to me..

I'm not just opposed to racing because it kills horses I think it is a cruel sport. If any of you had the opportunity would you race your own horse? I definitely wouldn't risk it.

Why are people fore racing? I don't understand
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Horses die out hacking prehaps we should ban that too

Now this thread is really going downhill!
 
YAWN back at you.

I hack my horse yes and obviously I ride my horse but I wouldn't want him galloping on hard ground.

In answer to your question if horse racing was banned then the problem would decrease over the years as the horses won't be in demand. Maybe a good solution is to fizzle out horse racing over a number of years.. We already have a surplus to requirement in TBs, how many do you think are shot unnecessarily at the moment?
 
If racing was banned all our horses would suffer all horse sports would suffer why?

Racing is where the money is , racing is where all the research is, racing is what keeps the majority of our vets going, racing is what keeps a lot of our own farriers busy racing is what puts money into the equine industry of which all horses can benefit.
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I hope racing is never banned. Galloping on hard ground? Where did that come from? My horse likes good or good to soft ground so thats what he race on.
TheTB is a fantastic breed and if racing was banned it would be lost which would be a sad day.
Your solution is the worst I ever heard. To say all 'suplus' TB's which are shot is utter rubbish, infact a lot go on to do other things, say Miner's Frolic. Fantastic horse bred for racing.
 
Nuttynugget. Please grow up, horses die all the time and I take yours never will in your mind because you wrap it up in cotton wool and don't go beyond a walk. these racehorse are treated so well, that I could never reach the standard they are kept at, but my lot are happy and yes we have a canter on Yiuk!! hard ground now and then. In a months time this will all forgotten till next April, just think about the poor little buggers that will be born in the next 2-3 months that will go to the abbiattor before they a 1 year old. And Pastie2 keep going girl as you always make sense on these sort of posts
 
Echo Brave, I dont know who the hell you think you are. You do not know anything about me or my horse.

Yes, the racehorses are treated well until they break their legs and get shot. Or don't make the mark and get shot.

No-one seems to be giving a good reason why horse racing is a positive except for the money.
 
alligator40 said:
we have a surplus of useless, ugly gypsy cobs.

TBH they could do with being got rid of as well.
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Lol!! Kind of true though. As much as some may hate the racing/dressage/eventing/whatever industries, they take breeding VERY seriously and they're not afraid to get rid of horses that don't cut the mustard, can't perform at the required level, can't stay sound etc. Can't be said for everyone :rolleyes:
 
alligator40 said:
are you not?

racing owners, as far as i'm aware, dont give 2 figs to what you get up to with your 2 a penny bumbling cob...so my point is...what right have you, as a bumbling cob owner, to raise a petition about what they do with their horses?
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The first time I read that, I felt it quite offensive, because it's not all about money. I hate the way the associate between cobs is ''bimbling'' that's really prejudice against a certain breed of horse.

I started a petition to try and improve the standards of the course; we can all do so much as owners, I'm not implying they don't care, although many of the owners aren't really involved with the horse- it's the grooms and trainers, isn't it? (Please correct me if I'm wrong), I know a man who owns a racehorse, however he doesn't really get involved unless there is money or a race, he doesn't really know much about horses either, it's down to the grooms.

I think that there is no need to discriminate against my horse :confused: you can discriminate against me, but not my horse :) .

That's so petty, how old are you?
 
Oh my you're all still going on ? What happened to this being a simple thread about a petition that you may or may not want to sign . So now it is taking the route of culling certain breeds of horses .... and can I add there is nothing wrong with cobs , I'm sure at some point in your life you have ridden one when learning to ride , but clearly they aren't good enough now you have your lovely well bred horses. Seeming as this a forum for people interested in horses , its a bit sad that you have come to the point of mocking certain breeds of horses o.O Just because some of you may view cobs as inferior because they don't compete in high level competition doesn't mean they should be shot .... I'm sorry but whats not to say a human being who can't physically work or has learning disabilities should be shot aswell then.... The whole wanting to kill useless breeds thing is a bit ridiculous reaay considering people often slate how useless arabs are , even though without them you wouldn't have the modern day thoroughbred . rip me apart for this because its likely that you will , I don't care but people do have quite narrow minded views on here sometimes , just because a horse is useless to you doesn't deem it that :)
 
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alligator40 said:
are you not?

racing owners, as far as i'm aware, dont give 2 figs to what you get up to with your 2 a penny bumbling cob...so my point is...what right have you, as a bumbling cob owner, to raise a petition about what they do with their horses?
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Also, if they don't give two figs, then why are you bothering with this? You've stated your views on this, yet still continue to get annoyed and angry and then resort to petty slating? If they aren't bothered, then what are you defending really? Considering my petition is probably going not have any effect, as you've established, it's not going to have many sigs as you've established?

Yet you're still harping on about it? Get over yourself :)
 
Well, this thread has now lost all credibility.

Sorry guys, but take a right good look at yourselves and your fighting. An interesting thread has gone down the pan with the introduction of quite frankly ridiculous personal insults.
 
alligator40 said:
Older than you....and you need to seriously get into the real world and grow up sweetie.

Discriminate against your horse? OMW... FPMSL..he is NOTHING special AT ALL....NOTHING.

trot off back to college..i'm sure you will feel far more comfortable there.
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Older... but definitely not wiser or maturer!

So what? So if someone was laughing at a child with a disability or facial defect saying they weren't anything special, would you think that's acceptable? I'm sure my horse doesn't care anyway. So never mind :) I'll get over it. Just think it's sad that you're bitching about horses. Each and every horse is special, hence why each and every life is valuable :)

I don't go to college. I go to school. Gawwwwdd...get it right :rolleyes:
 
GemmaLee said:
Oh my you're all still going on ? What happened to this being a simple thread about a petition that you may or may not want to sign . So now it is taking the route of culling certain breeds of horses .... and can I add there is nothing wrong with cobs , I'm sure at some point in your life you have ridden one when learning to ride , but clearly they aren't good enough now you have your lovely well bred horses. Seeming as this a forum for people interested in horses , its a bit sad that you have come to the point of mocking certain breeds of horses o.O Just because some of you may view cobs as inferior because they don't compete in high level competition doesn't mean they should be shot .... I'm sorry but whats not to say a human being who can't physically work or has learning disabilities should be shot aswell then.... The whole wanting to kill useless breeds thing is a bit ridiculous reaay considering people often slate how useless arabs are , even though without them you wouldn't have the modern day thoroughbred . rip me apart for this because its likely that you will , I don't care but people do have quite narrow minded views on here sometimes , just because a horse is useless to you doesn't deem it that :)
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Unfortunately yes it is still going on "The Simple thread about a petition people may or may not have wanted to sign" went arse up on about page 3 when people with knowledge of the racing industry rather than "Wot I have read in the papers" started challenging the OP.

Since then we have been subjected to heavens knows what kind of complete twaddle and goal post moving.

Roll on the end of the Easter holidays
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I think you will find most racehorse owners are kept upto date on their horses good or bad and some owners if I'm right have given their moneymakers as you see them, several years off if something has gone wrong with them and still forked out lots off money to keep them well,not had them put down and when they retire look after them well as does my next door neighbour, as her ex racer which she has owned from 2 years old he is now 21, when he was injured racing (flat)he came home and lives like a king (equine). So people like you make me disgusted as you seem to lump all racehorse owners and the rest in one issue. The Grand National Race which I should inmage you know very little about.
 
I never ever tghought i would do this - but i have read lots of this post and am sticking up for lassieluca
Waht sort of horse lover slates a breed of horse????
Bloody disgusting - ok lassie can vbe hotheaded, get her facts wrong - believe me me and her have BIG fallouts - but to be so so nasty - slating her horse????
Im disgusted - shame on you
And yes - lets hear it now for the rosie and pastie shwo again - seemingly now joined by alligator - disgusting.
If you dont agree with her ignore her, but to slate her horse, to slate any horse because of its breed - just wrong - you are not horse lovers
 
alligator40 said:
So, after 60 odd pages exactly what is your gripe?

TBH i, and a fair few others on here, haven't a scooby what you and...basically just wagtail are harping on about..
you have moved the goalposts so many times and wagtail is a nutjob...
i'm of an age that gets confused :D:D
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your of an age that should just bloody ignore instead of beign so rude - disgusting - do you have children????
 
Alligator, thing is- you've been actively joining in this discussion, continuing the thread equally, you've been commenting on the goal posts that are being moved. You've actively played a part in this discussion.

If I'm honest, I didn't start all the goal post moving, someone said about a horse being replaceable and it went from that. I used the horses in bull fighting as an anecdote to try and support my argument.
 
We used to own a coloured cob. We sold him and he went and won HOYS. How cool is that? Would have been better if we'd kept him actually. :D
 
narkymare said:
your of an age that should just bloody ignore instead of beign so rude - disgusting - do you have children????
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100% agree why the hell is a adult picking on a child for having a view point no wonder kids are so brainwashed in society not to think if they cant even come on a forum and say what they think. End of day these kids are our future so we need to respect what they say and encourage independent thinking!!!!
 
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