Phrases that get up your nose?

Deseado said:
In England I thought they bucked?
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There's bucking, and there's bronking. My horse can throw a little buck if he's excited - even a big one. But when he's had enough and wants me off (which to be fair hasn't happened in a while) he broncs. Front end comes up, back end comes RIGHT up, all four feet in the air and a twist of the back end, and he will do this repeatedly until he ditches you - nigh on unsittable. My instructor has watched him having a bronking fit, and it's definitely more than just bucking...
 
Deseado said:
In England I thought they bucked?
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They buck too but IMO bucking and broncing are two different things. I've always interpreted it as a buck is like this (generally front hooves still on the ground, but back end comes up) -
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And a bronc is more like this (front and back come of the ground, back/body often rounded as if humping, with buck elements to it) -

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khalswitz said:
There's bucking, and there's bronking. My horse can throw a little buck if he's excited - even a big one. But when he's had enough and wants me off (which to be fair hasn't happened in a while) he broncs. Front end comes up, back end comes RIGHT up, all four feet in the air and a twist of the back end, and he will do this repeatedly until he ditches you - nigh on unsittable. My instructor has watched him having a bronking fit, and it's definitely more than just bucking...
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This is a better explanation than mine ^^^

My mare does both, there is definitely a difference between the two.
 
3Beasties said:
They buck too but IMO bucking and broncing are two different things. I've always interpreted it as a buck is like this (generally front hooves still on the ground, but back end comes up) -
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And a bronc is more like this (front and back come of the ground, back/body often rounded as if humping, with buck elements to it) -

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That's what I know as buck and bronc, head down, back humped and leaping like a Springbok is a bronc. Having said that I don't remember broncing or the term from years ago.
 
3Beasties said:
This is a better explanation than mine ^^^

My mare does both, there is definitely a difference between the two.
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But your illustrations were excellent ;)

Generally a buck can be caused by or indicating a range of things: excitement, objection to work, pain related etc. A bronc is 'get off me now', and a good attempt at ditching the rider (and not a rider fall due to a buck but a genuine attempt to THROW). The main reason 'bronc' is seen as an Americanism is due to rodeos - horse are prized for their ability to properly bronc, and it is encouraged for those kinds of classes. In English riding it is BAD, and not a lot of horses properly bronc as opposed to a bit of a buck.
 
The main difference between a buck and a bronc in my opinion is what do the back feet do. A buck they kick their heel into the air. A bronc has a more rounded back and leaps without them throwing their back end up. That's what I think anyway!
 
Tangled said:
The main difference between a buck and a bronc in my opinion is what do the back feet do. A buck they kick their heel into the air. A bronc has a more rounded back and leaps without them throwing their back end up. That's what I think anyway!
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But a brink can start with back/front feet up, and end with hind feet in the air too!
 
khalswitz said:
But a brink can start with back/front feet up, and end with hind feet in the air too!
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A brink?! lol I'm sure that would annoy a few people ;-)

True, I just think if their heels go higher than their wither roughly then I would call it a buck. I'm only saying it's one of the main difference though, not the only one.

A bronc normally has all 4 feet off the floor at some point! lol What about a fly buck?! ;-)
 
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Pigeon said:
Me too!! Not selling but letting various people ride the nag. Cantering INTO the fence Was the most recent incident. He's only naughty if I've assured them he's nice to ride...
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Yup, I have been trialling people to loan/share my horse. My mare is a rather chilled and lazy ride who will stop easily and yet with one young rider, she suddenly turned into a racehorse across the field. I was gobsmacked, as was YO! Out of everything we have on the yard, I would have expected her of all to be the least likely to engage turbo charge!! She has had less experienced people ride her and completely looked after them, including a friend who hasn't ridden in 10 years.

cue "She has never done THAT before!"
 
loobylu said:
Really? I'd always assmed it was named after the place like say a Cheltenham gag. Googled your spelling, but the pages using 'Uxeter' also use 'Kimberwick' rather than 'Kimblewick'. Perhaps one or the other is a bastardisation which has developed over the years.
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Could be that Uttoxeter is (or was) pronounced Uxeter (at least locally - East and west Midlands)?
 
Meems said:
Be free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the word 'spooked' wasn't around 40 years ago, it used to be known as 'shy'.
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Quite right:)

'Heartbreaking sale' is of no interest to the buyer. if the animal doesn't owe the owner anything they should loan him out and spare us the guilt trip. If it's about the money, then he's probably paying the price for their emotional response to everything anyway.
 
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khalswitz said:
But a brink can start with back/front feet up, and end with hind feet in the air too!
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I can usually get back from the brink with a buck, but am always pushed over the brink by a bronc :D!

(The late chesnut git used to bronc about once a year. He had a 100% success rate in rider removal when he did so (3 different riders, two being professionals). Over the years I was able to sit them for longer at a time, but gravity always claimed me in the end!
 
Tiddlypom said:
This thread is making me smile. About half of the phrases get my goat too, but I would happily use the other half!

I must go round irritating the pants off people, whilst being in blissful ignorance that I am doing so.
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Yep, just what I was thinking ……. but the thing that really annoys me is when people introduce you to someone and says 'you'll like them they are horsey too', the chances are that your philosophies will vary wildly and we all know that most horsey people are hugely critical of other horsey people.

I know don't even confess to owning horses to new people for this very reason!
 
Nessa4 said:
Could be that Uttoxeter is (or was) pronounced Uxeter (at least locally - East and west Midlands)?
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Thanks for this I think you are right somewhere in the back of my mind I remember seeing Uttoxeter written somewhere, and if Uxeter is the phonetic spelling it could be why I can't find it as a town.
 
"Carthorse" used to annoy me when people used it to describe the late, great Goliath, Clydesdale.

Ponio...errrggghhhhh

Field ornament....I really hate that but no idea why? Lol
 
Another non-horsey one - 'bring to the table'

Unless it's food related I'm not interested in what you can bring to the table.
 
Tnavas said:
Thanks for this I think you are right somewhere in the back of my mind I remember seeing Uttoxeter written somewhere, and if Uxeter is the phonetic spelling it could be why I can't find it as a town.
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Local pronunciation is more like U-chet-er (with a short 'u' as in grub), but could still be where it came from.
 
Tangled said:
A brink?! lol I'm sure that would annoy a few people ;-)

True, I just think if their heels go higher than their wither roughly then I would call it a buck. I'm only saying it's one of the main difference though, not the only one.

A bronc normally has all 4 feet off the floor at some point! lol What about a fly buck?! ;-)
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Tiddlypom said:
I can usually get back from the brink with a buck, but am always pushed over the brink by a bronc :D!

(The late chesnut git used to bronc about once a year. He had a 100% success rate in rider removal when he did so (3 different riders, two being professionals). Over the years I was able to sit them for longer at a time, but gravity always claimed me in the end!
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Sorry, my stupid phone autocorrects bronc to brink... it has learned a lot of horsy words over time but for some reason this one sticks ;)

See, I would still class it as a bronc if it starts with the front end right up, even if heels end up higher than head. For me, it's a buck if it's back end only - and a fly buck is just a buck mid-stride isn't it, so feet off the floor but front end doesn't come up.
 
To me, fly bucking is usually once or twice, whilst travelling forwards, front end up, heels up. Front feet may be in air or on ground while heels up. Usually excitement/minor strop.

A bronc is a continuous series of fly bucks with serious intent to ditch the rider.
 
Also, I think what we're seeing here is that incorrect usage of a word/phrase is often more annoying than the word/phrase itself :)
 
I always thought the description was a 'bucking bronco'. Sorry to add to the confusion.

Incidentally, I hate when presenters of tv programs say something like 'join me after the break when I get in the saddle on Dartmoor (or some such place), and it turns out they are going cycling, not horse riding. On yer bike!
 
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TarrSteps said:
I think more people would get it right if they knew one of the uses for 'ménage' ;)

I just thought of one, the use of 'Fulmer' as a synonym for 'full cheek'. Aside from being incorrect (and I suspect used to sound pretentious) and confusing, it makes me a bit sad. The Fulmer School is such an important part of British riding history it's a shame so few people here seem to know about it.
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and the Fulmer snaffle and the full cheek look and are designed different and act different too
Fulmer snaffle designed to be used with keepers where as the full cheek can safely be used without
 
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AengusOg said:
I always thought the description was a 'bucking bronco'. Sorry to add to the confusion.
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It is, but in that case I think the 'bronco' bit is in relation to the horse (the bronc) used in a rodeo. I'm not 100% but I *think* Broncs (broncos) are purpose bred to throw big bucks. Any horse can 'bronc' but it does not make them a rodeo bronc :redface3:

Anyone else confused now?!? :biggrin3: Maybe a rodeo expert could enlighten us :biggrin3:
 
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