Pin firing .... no negative comments please

[ycbm]

err can you explain how pin and bar firing are totally different processes please?

One burns only from the outside, bar firing. In the other, red hot pins are actually inserted right through the skin into the tendon/ligament itself !

SLIconnemara any chance of some photos?

 

[ycbm]

it's the sort of response I expect from trolls on Facebook.. a

Takes one to know one?

 

[ester]

I'm unconvinced by 'totally different'

 

[FfionWinnie]

Takes one to know one?

Watch you don't go upsetting the Applecart.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I'm gobsmacked to find that the BEVA has stepped back from a complete condemnation of this treatment in the UK, Cortez. You're ahead of us, I hope we catch you up.

I am astounded because I read recently that the reason firing hasn't been outlawed here, is that horses would just be transported over to Ireland to have it done. Perhaps BEVA should do better research!

 

[ycbm]

Watch you don't go upsetting the Applecart.

It was fairly obvious, wasn't it?

Applecart, you left the forum last week for good reason. There is no point coming back immediately with the same complaints as you've always had about bullying. I'm concerned that if you stay and continue in this way you will find yourself mocked and more hounded than you were before Please have a rethink.

 

[ycbm]

I am astounded because I read recently that the reason firing hasn't been outlawed here, is that horses would just be transported over to Ireland to have it done. Perhaps BEVA should do better research!

I was shocked by that too PaS. I can hardly believe that Ireland have banned it and we haven't

 

[stencilface]

Watch you don't go upsetting the Applecart.

How do you people do this?! I was oblivious! It's a permanent state of mind clearly

I've read this post since it started but couldn't comment as I'm pretty sure the only recent firing of legs I've seen has been on the pfk Facebook page.

 

[FfionWinnie]

It was fairly obvious, wasn't it?

Applecart, you left the forum last week for good reason. There is no point coming back immediately with the same complaints as you've always had about bullying. I'm concerned that if you stay and continue in this way you will find yourself mocked and more hounded than you were before Please have a rethink.

But she wasn't mocked and hounded it's self fulfilling prophecy!

 

[FfionWinnie]

How do you people do this?! I was oblivious! It's a permanent state of mind clearly

I've read this post since it started but couldn't comment as I'm pretty sure the only recent firing of legs I've seen has been on the pfk Facebook page.

I have to admit I had help with this one although I realised it was someone known I hadn't put a lot of thought into it. However I couldn't resist the quip. Bad FW.

 

[Mrs B]

Applecart, you left the forum last week for good reason. There is no point coming back immediately with the same complaints as you've always had about bullying. I'm concerned that if you stay and continue in this way you will find yourself mocked and more hounded than you were before Please have a rethink.

Errr ... rights and wrongs aside, you might want to recheck that comment for its iron(y) content.

 

[PorkChop]

How do you people do this?! I was oblivious! It's a permanent state of mind clearly

Gawd, glad I am not the only one, doesn't even occur to me!

 

[ycbm]

Errr ... rights and wrongs aside, you might want to recheck that comment for its iron(y) content.

No irony. I'm a returner. I waited a while and when I came back I did so very slowly and modified my style deliberately and carefully so as to upset fewer people. I have supported Applecart on several threads in the past because there is no doubt for me that she is followed around the forum by a core of people who know how easy it is to upset her. (For a good example, check out the hostility on her thread about an overheated office.) I knew who she was and was not going to out her. It's not, ime, sensible for her to be back so soon and to continue on the same path of complaining about bullies on the forum. She has simply made even more of a target for herself, unfortunately

I wish her well.


Irony count zero.

 

[Mrs B]

No irony. I'm a returner. I waited a while and when I came back I did so very slowly and modified my style deliberately and carefully so as to upset fewer people. I have supported Applecart on several threads in the past because there is no doubt for me that she is followed around the forum by a core of people who know how easy it is to upset her. (For a good example, check out the hostility on her thread about an overheated office.) I knew who she was and was not going to out her. It's not, ime, sensible for her to be back so soon and to continue on the same path of complaining about bullies on the forum. She has simply made even more of a target for herself, unfortunately

I wish her well.


Irony count zero.

No, not really. Leopards and spots. You haven't actually changed at all: not your fault, you just can't do it. Hence my suggestion that you think about house construction carefully before casting too many pebbles. You start out ok, then you get on a thread like this and just have to keep piling in ... and don't know when to stop.

 

[ycbm]

No, not really. Leopards and spots. You haven't actually changed at all: not your fault, you just can't do it. Hence my suggestion that you think about house construction carefully before casting too many pebbles. You start out ok, then you get on a thread like this and just have to keep piling in ... and don't know when to stop.

And a Merry Christmas to you too

 

[ester]

changed mind.

 

[AandK]

Is this really AC? I don't see it, how can you be sure? There are pics of someone else in the OP profile, but then I guess you could lift off the internet...

 

[ester]

She isn't the OP she is hopscotch bandit.

 

[AandK]

Righty ho, I see!!

 

[9tails]

If the OP is Applecart, she's returned to deliberately cause havoc. Who in their right mind posts about having their horse pin fired, knowing it will rile up most posters. So if it is Applecart, maybe we should suggest she get professional help for MH issues?

 

[ester]

see my comment above.

 

[Goldenstar]

No it doesn't. It does not make it clear that there is no clinical evidence whatever which supports the deliberate burning of a horse's legs as a method of tendon repair.

Exactly , at one time people did these things to horses because they knew no better it is unforgivable nowadays as is breeding from lame horses when the world is full of horses bred from unsound mare unable to find necent homes .

 

[Crosshill Pacers]

I bought a horse at public auction which had been pin fired as white marks visible on both hocks. My guess is he'd suffered from curbs. Looking back through his racing career he didn't miss a season from 3-6 (at which time I sold him as a rider) so again, my guess is it was done when he was perhaps being broken at 2.

Can't say how long he was off work for, chances are it was done after being broken with the intention of not racing him for another 12 months but cannot confirm. Never had a day's bother in the whole time he was with me with that part of his anatomy and I had him in 100% race fitness.

I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm just saying I had a horse who had the procedure done and it appeared to have worked for its purpose, before anyone turns on me!

 

[Pinkvboots]

Maybe instead of calling it barbaric actually keep your comments to yourself because it's not banned and I'm asking for information from people who have had this procedure done...

My horse hasn't malfunctioning legs or bad conformation it was actually done while out in the field on her Christmas holiday . The vet has already said her legs are fine to take weight of foal but without this it would have been pts and I don't care who frowns on it I will do what ever it takes to keep my horse alive even if she is living on the front garden for the rest of her life and a big bed of shavings every night because I'm not a person who gets rid of a horse or sells it on because it doesn't do a job anymore ..

Yes there is plenty of horses in the world who are not wanted but my horse and her foal will always be at my home and yes I'm lucky enough to have the land to make these dessions

So please unless you've something interesting and constructive to say don't say nothing

you will do whatever it takes to keep your horse alive! even if her quality of life is comprised living in a front garden is no life for a horse, this kind of thinking is purely for selfish owners who will keep an animal alive at whatever cost, sorry but if you come on here saying things like that you will get negative comments, sometimes just being alive is not all its cracked up to be it's how the animal is living is what is important and carrying out unecessary procedures just so your horse can just about stand is cruel.

 

[ycbm]

I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm just saying I had a horse who had the procedure done and it appeared to have worked for its purpose, before anyone turns on me!

Plenty of evidence that the rest will have produced the right result and none at all that it was the firing. I've seen quite a few sound fired horses, it used to be very common before it was proved it didn't do anything except convince the owner to give the horse a long enough rest.

 

[Fairynuff]

worked in an equine clinic back in the 80s and early 90s. Pin firing was very common in the 80s and I helped out with the firing of knees, tendons and hocks. Once they were fired my job was to rub in red mercury paste and then do the after care. Not very pleasent and extremely smelly. Not one horse showed signs of pain (pain relief given ) and not one horse lost his appetite. All returned to their discipline and all remained sound , at least the ones who lived in the area. I recently blistered (on vets advice) one of my liveries. He blew a tendon for the second time so owner and vet decided together the course of action. I have a photographic diary of before, during and after if anyone would be interested to see it. Do I still need to download from fotobucket ? The horse is now completely sound although he could play a whole string quartet with that one leg I got hell on FB with some extremely nasty comments thrown in for good measure but I would do it again

 

[Fairynuff]

I bought a horse at public auction which had been pin fired as white marks visible on both hocks. My guess is he'd suffered from curbs. Looking back through his racing career he didn't miss a season from 3-6 (at which time I sold him as a rider) so again, my guess is it was done when he was perhaps being broken at 2.

Can't say how long he was off work for, chances are it was done after being broken with the intention of not racing him for another 12 months but cannot confirm. Never had a day's bother in the whole time he was with me with that part of his anatomy and I had him in 100% race fitness.

I'm not playing devil's advocate, I'm just saying I had a horse who had the procedure done and it appeared to have worked for its purpose, before anyone turns on me!

it does work

 

[Tiddlypom]

it does work

No, it doesn't. It's now known that it's the enforced rest period afterwards that works, as mentioned by various folk upthread. No need to pin or bar fire at all.

 

[Fairynuff]

No, it doesn't. It's now known that it's the enforced rest period afterwards that works, as mentioned by various folk upthread. No need to pin or bar fire at all.

not going to argue with you

 

[Cortez]

not going to argue with you

*The clanging noise of a closed mind reverberates.................