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i have no idea what this fella is worth. My freind is selling him and has asked me 'how much'

12year old traditional cob. (pretty)
14.2hh
excellent to handle.
excellent to hack, both alone and in company - totally bomboroof.
forward going both hacking and in school - competing novice dressage.
Loads in trailer/lorry first time. good to bath, farrier,vet.
but he does windsuck (he doesnt crib)

Thanks
 
Amymay said:
Fair enough. Well if he was half decent to look at I’d probably pay around £3k
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He is indeed 'decent' very decent in fact! thanks Amymay - that was the figure i sort of had in mind. i wasnt sure if she could ask more as he was so bombproof?
 
Bellaboo18 said:
I wouldn't think so because of him windsucking, I think 3k is on the topend. I'd say 2-2.5k.
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I agree the windsucking will put off many people so price needs to reflect that, I would think 2k because of the vice, I would prefer him to crib as that can be managed a bit more easily by giving nothing to grab hold of, a windsucking horse is one of the most annoying things to be listening to.
 
KINDMARE said:
He is indeed 'decent' very decent in fact! thanks Amymay - that was the figure i sort of had in mind. i wasnt sure if she could ask more as he was so bombproof?
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She could if he was bigger, but at 14.2hh hes pony sized and that puts people off rightly or wrongly. Then add in the windsucking and the value drops further. I'm another one who thinks 2k is probably about right.
 
I'm really surprised by some of these responses.
We were looking for my mum last year and green wobbly not that special cobs were being advertised for £4-5k plus, seemingly based on how safe they were.
(Admittedly they may not have sold for that much but the adverts didn't seem to be up for long)
If he is truly bombproof, better schooled and happy to go to shows, sponsored rides etc then that would put him at the top end of the bracket for me.
How much I'd take off his value for the windsucking would depend on a few things. Has a cause ever been investigated, e.g. ulcers, diet. Has he always done it, what about when he's been on different yards/routines. How bad is it - will he stand and windsuck rather than eat for example or is it just occasional.
 
chaps89 said:
I'm really surprised by some of these responses.
We were looking for my mum last year and green wobbly not that special cobs were being advertised for £4-5k plus, seemingly based on how safe they were.
(Admittedly they may not have sold for that much but the adverts didn't seem to be up for long)
If he is truly bombproof, better schooled and happy to go to shows, sponsored rides etc then that would put him at the top end of the bracket for me.
How much I'd take off his value for the windsucking would depend on a few things. Has a cause ever been investigated, e.g. ulcers, diet. Has he always done it, what about when he's been on different yards/routines. How bad is it - will he stand and windsuck rather than eat for example or is it just occasional.
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I agree with this, based on the asking price in ads for similar (or less good sounding) cobs
Of course the asking price and what they actually sell for might be totally different
 
Windsucking would put me off...

Unless I was absolutely in love, in which case I would pay whatever, for example I bought Jay on the premise that he may well be just a beautiful pasture ornament, but paid a fortune! Worth every penny.
 
chaps89 said:
I'm really surprised by some of these responses.
We were looking for my mum last year and green wobbly not that special cobs were being advertised for £4-5k plus, seemingly based on how safe they were.
(Admittedly they may not have sold for that much but the adverts didn't seem to be up for long)
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even pony sized ones?
 
Impossible to answer on the internet. Look at adverts for similar horses and go from there. Be realistic and honest about his quality and limitations (sellers rarely are, everyone thinks they have something wonderful when it is usually pretty ordinary). "Can she ask a bit more...." Well she can ask anything she wants but it doesn't mean anyone will pay. Remember that keeping a horse costs so there is a trade off between selling quickly at a realistic price and holding out for more money that means fewer people will view and selling will take longer. Personally I wouldn't discount the price for windsucking unless it actually causes performance or management problems although I would disclose on the advert up front to avoid wasting time with those who do see it as a problem. I'd then be prepared to negotiate on price if it was the right home and they were keen despite the windsucking. It is a sad truth that noone cares much about manageable stable vices in an expensive horse but few are prepared to put up with them in a cheaper one.......
 
chaps89 said:
I'm really surprised by some of these responses.
We were looking for my mum last year and green wobbly not that special cobs were being advertised for £4-5k plus, seemingly based on how safe they were.
(.
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My little man was £4k and sold within 2 days of the ad going up (I was first to view and put a deposit down). He was 15.2hh and he isn't "bombproof" but is such a sweetheart and does try is hardest but is as green and wobbly as they come :)
 
Dyllymoo said:
My little man was £4k and sold within 2 days of the ad going up (I was first to view and put a deposit down). He was 15.2hh and he isn't "bombproof" but is such a sweetheart and does try is hardest but is as green and wobbly as they come :)
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But his height would make him more expensive and I'm guessing he doesn't have any vices?
 
Bellaboo18 said:
But his height would make him more expensive and I'm guessing he doesn't have any vices?
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Oh I know that, sorry I thought I did put his height, I perhaps didn't make clear that I know as he was a bigger type he would be more expensive. nope no vices (that I know of!). I'm not saying the OP's should be £4k I was simply agreeing with the post I quoted.
 
Dyllymoo said:
Oh I know that, sorry I thought I did put his height, I perhaps didn't make clear that I know as he was a bigger type he would be more expensive. nope no vices (that I know of!). I'm not saying the OP's should be £4k I was simply agreeing with the post I quoted.
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Sorry I misread that :) x
 
I'd advertise him at 3.8 and be happy with 3.5. Sounds like a decent little horse who would be perfect for a mum and child share. It sounds like he has enough positive attributes to outweigh his one vice.
 
Leo Walker said:
even pony sized ones?
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Yep :) we were looking in the 14.2-15.2hh bracket, wanted close to 15hh and all we could find were 14-14.2hh! So yes, if horse in OP was bigger I'd almost expect him to go for more.
Dragon driving, preloved and the like it's cobs a plenty for not too much but HorseQuest, horsemart, h&h definitely had a better class of cob shall we say (or certainly nominally more polished and with videos on those sites as opposed to 1 photo of them muddy and not stood up!)
 
chaps89 said:
Yep :) we were looking in the 14.2-15.2hh bracket, wanted close to 15hh and all we could find were 14-14.2hh! So yes, if horse in OP was bigger I'd almost expect him to go for more.
Dragon driving, preloved and the like it's cobs a plenty for not too much but HorseQuest, horsemart, h&h definitely had a better class of cob shall we say (or certainly nominally more polished and with videos on those sites as opposed to 1 photo of them muddy and not stood up!)
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I wonder whats mines worth then?! No vices, ride and drive, happily lugs tiny novice children out hacking safely, pretty face, quite smart and a really lovely friendly pony.
 
@Leo Walker No idea tbh- the market was really odd and that sort of horse hard to find, so probably at least that.

I thought prices would have come down with it being kids off to uni, coming into winter etc but prices stayed strong and the good horses still went quick.
The £5k bracket was a really odd one - green wobbly but safe cobs (though totally unproven at shows, fun rides etc) or competitive RC types - we were trying to find something in between for my mum to get back into riding on (so she wasn't in the position for a project, though we obviously looked at ads for less expensive horses but found there was a reason they were cheaper)

I've seen horses that sound like they were (with no disrespect to the owners) fairly average types being advertised for £900-1500 yet had coffin joint arthritis, dodgy hocks, ligament issues etc etc which meant they needed light hacking homes - to me that seems far too expensive. (Again, no idea if those ones sold or for how much but there was certainly a few of them!)

HorseQuest ref 225173 feels a pertinent reference for comparison for this thread/the OP horse :)
 
Leo Walker said:
She could if he was bigger, but at 14.2hh hes pony sized and that puts people off rightly or wrongly. Then add in the windsucking and the value drops further. I'm another one who thinks 2k is probably about right.
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14.2hh is horse below is pony
Leo Walker said:
She could if he was bigger, but at 14.2hh hes pony sized and that puts people off rightly or wrongly. Then add in the windsucking and the value drops further. I'm another one who thinks 2k is probably about right.
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anything 14.2hh or above is classed as a horse
 
OdinsMum said:
14.2hh is horse below is pony

anything 14.2hh or above is classed as a horse
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In this instance the horse ould need to be 15 hands before the price increased. I'd also bet serious money that the horse would measure in at under 14.2hh as in my experience almost every single person overestimates the height of cobs
 
Anything 14.2/ 148cm and below is a pony, that is the cut off point for competitions with restrictions, as LW has just said the chances of it being 14.2 is slim, in my experience it is extremely rare to find anything that is accurately measured the majority are well below the height stated, often being as much as a hand lower than the owner thinks, I have had people look at 14.2's that are up to height and guess at them being anything up to 15.2.
 
Leandy said:
Personally I wouldn't discount the price for windsucking unless it actually causes performance or management problems although I would disclose on the advert up front to avoid wasting time with those who do see it as a problem. I'd then be prepared to negotiate on price if it was the right home and they were keen despite the windsucking. It is a sad truth that noone cares much about manageable stable vices in an expensive horse but few are prepared to put up with them in a cheaper one.......
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the problem is (potential physical causes aside) those of us on livery may struggle to find a yard that will accept a cribber or windsucker. That reduces the market for them even if it's an otherwise good horse.
I know my YO would have a fit if someone bought a horse that did either.
He's still of the old fashioned belief that vices are "catching".
 
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