please God.... not again :-(

Status
Not open for further replies.
pray, tell me, what would YOU do if your puppy lay still, not breathing? What he did worked, and for that i am grateful. But should anyone ever have a pup choking again, I will be sure to give them your advice. maybe he should have left her to die because he didnt know what to do? he was a whole lot more useful than i was... i went to pieces.

secondly, we have two vets in this town. The first is an equine vet primarily, who we have used for years. The second, who I changed to with Jack (because I was unhappy with the care Jack received under the other vets, but had not changed the cats or ponies over). I was unable to contact the second vets as the line was engaged, and it being an EMERGENCY (I do think a dog not breathing is an emergency) we took her to the first vets instead. The vets are both on the same road.



spanish inquisition??

and to the other poster:

the vet had told us she wouldnt be home that night, she would have to stay in.... so of course we didnt think we'd have to pay before she was ready to come home. Would you pay for your haircut before it was finished??? But if you'd read the post properly you'd have seen that.

I am happy with the care she recieved, if it wasnt for the vets and nurses care she wouldnt be here. There was no qualm about the bill, more about the way in which it was handled, being told one thing and then being expected to do another. We weren't to know....
 
Hadn't realised you had changed vets. It is more than likely that the first vets were a bit miffed that you had moved to another vets half way through their treating Jack and that is why they demanded payment. Sounds like they did a great job this time anyway which is the main thing.
 
What would I do with a choking pup?......

I would slap it on the back and then do abdominal thrust if the back taps hadn't worked.
smirk.gif


My reply was more for future reference, as both these method would be more effective, that hitting its head..........don't forget head trauma can cause epilepsy and I'm sure you don't want to go there again. I know this as a good friend has seizures since taking a hockey ball to his head.

Didn't mean my post to come across as a Spanish Inquisition, I was just slightly confused by what seem to be contradictory comments and also give you a possible explanation for the vets request for payment.
 
yes, and I'm damn grateful they did what they did the other night.

The first vets weren't halfway through treating him...
they refused to xray him any further! they refused to scan saying that they were sure he'd just bumped his head and would be fine. Hence I took him to second vets and had all the xrays etc done. And as we all know, he was FAR from fine. He had a fractured scull
crazy.gif


But in all they did a sterling job this week providing good solid care and making our puppy better. I can't fault them for that.
 
Have to say I missed that you discovered he had a fractured skull, so obviously not hereditary epilepsy as was suspected at one time. A bit of a wrong diagnosis there from the vets , no wonder you changed. Fingers crossed that everything goes well for you and Rosie in 2010.
 
Not only that but they accused OH of having given him a kicking.
I left OH. And then it was found that OH hadnt laid a finger on him.

Can see how it looked to them and at the time it was something i couldnt share on here as my head was too confused to deal with how it would look to you lot... I needed to concentrate on finding out the cause and trying to sort out my relationship, Jack's health.

I mean, after people were already hinting it was suspicious.... would you have then come out with that in public? "oh yes, the vet thinks OH's given him a kicking...oh yes, he has a fractured scull" . no... I needed to get to the root of it, which i did, and work out where to go from there, with people who knew me, OH and the dog. Mainly, a change in vet too.

OH is too scared to be left alone with rosie, and somewhere in the back of my mind.... I'm paranoid. Totally.

It is very possible he DID have epilepsy... and thats what caused the fracture. I don't know, no-one ever will. What i do know is that the dog showed of signs of abuse on proper examination, and the dog showed the same symptoms and injuries after i'd left OH.


Hope people can kind of understand why i'm a wee bit touchy on the subject. OH's still convinced I don't trust him and I do suspect although we made up that it's something he will never forgive me for (believing a vet over him).
 
How the hell did that happen?
confused.gif


I remember he got caught in a stairgate, but didn't realise the gate fell on him too.................as I assume it would take a hefty blow of some sort to break a skull..........poor little bugger.
frown.gif
 
The vet thinks the stairgate, think he may have done it before. The way it shut created a 'v' shape, think he must have jumped up, stuck his head through and slipped down. It wasnt broken per se, it was a hairline fracture. On the xray and scan, a tiny line across the side of the scull

Apparently a terrier's scull is quite delicate (remember he wasnt even a year old) and where it fractured (on the side) to quote the vet "could possibly have been caused by it getting trapped". It coincided with bruising which looked like from two bars (narrow bruising) and sign of pressure. But I'll never know for sure and thats what preys on my mind. watching him having the episodes was awful and the only thing i'm glad of is that he's no longer in pain.

I spent more time at the vets near the end than at home.

I'm off to bed now as had a broken night last night, but thats about it really, the whole lot
frown.gif
not alot more to tell. 2010, new start and I pray... less time at the vets.
Rosie snuggled up having had her supper, and we start puppy classes in a couple of weeks, plus she gets to go to the park for the first time as soon as she's better. Onwards, Upwards.
I know full well nothing untoward happened, I'd a) have never spoken to OH again and b) never have gotten another puppy.
 
Thats awful, how could they accuse your OH of kicking him and yet say Jack had just bumped his head and was only suffering from bruising. Surely they would have expected a kick to cause more damage than just bruising. No wonder your OH was so cross with them when you went to collect Rosie and they were demanding payment
frown.gif
 
Oh im very sorry to have been so stupid RE the breathing tube thing. I just thought that since the dog had stopped breathing they would have wanted to do something to check it didnt happen again, or whatever! Very sorry again for my naivety, although perhaps people didn't have to be so curt in putting me straight
confused.gif
but never mind, i'll get over it
wink.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
Oh im very sorry to have been so stupid RE the breathing tube thing. I just thought that since the dog had stopped breathing they would have wanted to do something to check it didnt happen again, or whatever! Very sorry again for my naivety, although perhaps people didn't have to be so curt in putting me straight
confused.gif
but never mind, i'll get over it
wink.gif


[/ QUOTE ]
Hi, yeah, fair play, I was a bit curt/sarky - sorry. I work in emergency vet medicine and its been a killer of a few days - dealing with a lot of owners who don't seem to appreciate our work and complain about the fees/how much we earn, etc which narks the hell out of me when I have just worked an extra 10 - 20hrs in a week unpaid as I didn't want to walk out leaving the animals 'half-managed' and I am driving a 'bomb off ebay' and they are driving round in something far newer and not wanting to pay their bill at the time of collection as they would have to use their holiday/xmas/new year spending money. And the thought of any nurse 'just sitting on the phone waiting for a call' is just so ridiculous as to be laughable as one day with my team would show the poster. Any vet/nurse bashing raises my hackles in an instance so I am sorry. I read the thread in a mardy mind
blush.gif
 
Hmmmmm I will probably get shot down for this reply but hey ho!!!!

Right few things that are confusing me, You stated that Jack had issues with oh ie; growling and not happy with him!! you also stated that Jack only occasionally sat on oh knee when he chose to as he was funny with oh, then you stated oh misses him sitting on his knee everynight!!!! then vets accused HIM of kicking him after discovering a fractured skull,

My questions here would be..............why does a normally happy cheerfull puppy have issues with ONE person, the vets accused this same person of abuse (which i would imagine would NOT be done lightly) you then proced to keep said accused person and get yet another puppy????????????????? who then has medical issues to boot?

If I had chosen to keep oh (wouldnt be a hope in hell) and continued to get another puppy (wouldnt be a hope in hell) then I may just have to have hidden cameras in every single room in the house so that i knew 1000000000% that NO-ONE was harming these poor little defensive mits in any shape or form!!!!!

But hey maybe im the mad one here, and if I am I would rather be mad with little puppies safe happy and content, than having nights of restless sleep wondering was I allowing these animals to be mistreated or loosing their lives under my roof, when I could put an end to it????
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hmmmmm I will probably get shot down for this reply but hey ho!!!!

Right few things that are confusing me, You stated that Jack had issues with oh ie; growling and not happy with him!! you also stated that Jack only occasionally sat on oh knee when he chose to as he was funny with oh, then you stated oh misses him sitting on his knee everynight!!!! then vets accused HIM of kicking him after discovering a fractured skull,

My questions here would be..............why does a normally happy cheerfull puppy have issues with ONE person, the vets accused this same person of abuse (which i would imagine would NOT be done lightly) you then proced to keep said accused person and get yet another puppy????????????????? who then has medical issues to boot?

If I had chosen to keep oh (wouldnt be a hope in hell) and continued to get another puppy (wouldnt be a hope in hell) then I may just have to have hidden cameras in every single room in the house so that i knew 1000000000% that NO-ONE was harming these poor little defensive mits in any shape or form!!!!!

But hey maybe im the mad one here, and if I am I would rather be mad with little puppies safe happy and content, than having nights of restless sleep wondering was I allowing these animals to be mistreated or loosing their lives under my roof, when I could put an end to it????

[/ QUOTE ]


Hum.......no bulletts from me.........you make an extremely valid point, I also was unaware of the skull fracture
confused.gif
but have only vaguely been in and out of these posts (I noseily saw the number count)
blush.gif
and the vet which I agree what was said "would not have been done so lightly"
crazy.gif
I have seen vets stay stum when begged by saff to take an issue further in suspicious circumstance, and now this pup shying away does give cause for concern, I to would be very paranoid
crazy.gif
and if I got proof or had a shadow of a doubt my OH would be mince meat
crazy.gif

Katey are you 100% ther has been no wrong doing here, if you don't mind me asking or have u questioned anything at any stage
confused.gif


I do remember a post stating someones OH was not keen on dogs esp small ones and wanted a big dog.................apologies if im thinking the wrong post there, but I did also state in one of my posts in regard to this I woud not bring another dog into the household as your OH seems a little non supportive of the last issues with Jack.
 
Whole situation is very very sad, also just read that Rosie is shying away from oh too and wont go near him!! I am personally very very worried about this whole situation and this poor poor puppy!!!!
frown.gif
frown.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
QR - is this thread still going on
confused.gif


[/ QUOTE ]

At a guess i'd say yeh lol
wink.gif


[/ QUOTE ]

grin.gif
grin.gif
grin.gif
grin.gif


OK. I asked for that didnt I
grin.gif
grin.gif
grin.gif


[/ QUOTE ]

She was never known for her brightness that one
smirk.gif
 
sorry for any typos but im replying via phone as laptop broke. im actually realky angry about this... it would seem my oh is being accused of animal abuse? not neglect but of actually hurting him?in total through his treatment h e saw saw five vets through two practices. ONE suggested this. The others took time to examie him and listen to the symptoms. reverse the situation... if it was you " sorry oh a vet took one look at him and said hes had a kicking the other vets disagree but im kicking you out after ten years and two kids and am never owning a dog again" do u realise what you sound like? as for rosie... shes sat curled on his knee. shes a tiny pup! of course choking and being rushed to evets shook her up! unless he decided to force feed her tinsel and spendhundreds on treatment.. because those are the actions ofa puppy beater right? get a grip. what a disgusting accusation. if i had anything to hide i wouldnt have posted. rosie was shaken and if so called dog experts dnt expect a pup to be shaken then i really do wonder? jack was not used to oh. oh never had dogs before... i asked advice and this is the misses marple conclusion you come to! i hope you realise how serious the accusaton is? i mean its quite a stonach churning thing to suggest isnt it? let me tell you now last night that pup cllambered onto the bed over me and nestled herself into his chest where she slept al night. hardly a f* puppy abuser is he? this lunchtime i spent time teaching him how to teach her commands. and fwiw he wanted another jrt and he paid for her. he also paid all vets bills and was the onne who demanded an xray. im not too great at posting my feelings and thoughts but by god you took two and two and made a hundred. i shant post for advice again because i feel sick to the core and mortified. i pray you never go through what we did with jack. people who know me will tell you i am a very perceptive person.. i can sniff a rat a mile of. ive known oh for16 years and can assure you he never hurt him. he might b a dozy idiot when it comes to dogs as he doesnt understand them but hes trying hes doing pup classes and spoken to vet and reads his book. but hed never hurt an animal. im disgusted ertain people here can jump to such conclusion based on m y few posts when i was desperately worried about the dogs health . and what a taint on his memory to have a bunch of girls on the internet suggest not only that he was abused but that i allowed it to happen. thanks for that.
 
and just to add i did say i left himwhen the accusation was first made. the dog contiued to show symptoms. i sought further advice. i0 found the dog with its head stuck in a friggin stairgate AFTER it had panicked. assume thats what h appened before. i dont know... wed been out OH was with ME unless he miraculosly doppleganged himself and was with me in the car as well as being a t home?i would have the guy arrested if i even thought hed do that. you do all love a good bloody drama dont you? oh and cayla... that lindham wood and metal stairgate u have for your dogs? its the exact same one jack got stuck in. be careful wont you? else if a dog gets hurt in one u might get accused of animal abuse.
 
Charlie, people are only human and will make assumptions of their own from what they read, I for one had not read your whole post, I popped in about the time vet nurses where what was it "sitting by the phones all night doing nothing" not by u I may add, I had asked in my post are u or have you questioned? again I did not read previous till tonight the whole posts, your answer was you had with jack? if you had and you live with your OH how and why would you think others may not come to the same conclusion reading the posts on a forum
confused.gif

I have whitnessed this before many a time and do not know you personally, I do however have a genuine concern for any animal be it a forum members pet or a close family members......could you not have answered mine and velentinos questiions with answers rather than swearing and anger, which again looks more like a nerve has been touched rather than a "I know how it may look" but........., of course people will show concern and some will ask questions and it will not be an all AWW post, esp when it happens so close to the last scenario.
I fed my horse a different brand of food and he coliced and died "my fault although not abuse" I have no doubt in my mind it was that, if someone mentioned it on my post I would not say "how ******* dare you" I would say I knew it was a possibility or............. there is no way that caused it because x y and z.
This is not a pick on charlie post, have I ever had a go at you on a post like many others have has valentino?
My baby gate is for my cats not my dogs!! although u may take this as a personal go at you, I would never leave a puppy un crated when I was not present......im sure you will know this by my obsessive crate posts and my puppy stays in same room as me, and no im not an expert that can heal and prevent all injury, so please don't use the we are all not as great as you liner
crazy.gif

Try to understand what people are reading and go back over your posts, clearly this is what people are doing, out of concern NOT to have a pop at you.
I seem to remember at the beginning of this post GH was replied to rudely for showing concern and asking questions.
I try never to get involved in these posts I can barely find my own posts, my posts are re whinging about breeding of the back street kind and giving advice where I can.
I will however speak up if concerned.
I also hate this(churning crap up) but will bring it up as an example.
OH posted bank card cos u where fuming!!
OH refused to go home to get a card to pay when vet requesed, must say on that one I agree with the poster who works in a vet, IMO it's very fair long term client or not to pay bill in total and I know plenty a vet who would hold animal till bill is paid, even if they took dog home when not expected to beable too.

OH does not understand and is not being patient with jack and is getting frustrated he wont go near him.

The above comment was what made me reply, the one time I did, I would not get another, seems your OH is not keen on dogs and was not very supportive of you being so upset!!

Without getting angry please read just a few of the things I have mentioned and ask yourself why people may think what they do
confused.gif
 
of course it touched a raw nerve wouldnt it have if the accusation had been made about your oh? seriously? oh wanted nothing to do with him as he felt the dog hated him. stupid reasoning but hed changed his mind days later. things are always more coplex than can ever be expressed on forum. no you didnt accuse directly.. this phone is hard to use and i may have quoted to reply. but my anger was to royale whatever who clearly has nothing better to do than slate others and make unfounded accusations against a person they have never met.im just really angry about that.as im sure anyone would at the suggestion that their puppy was in danger from them. she ate tisel. she wasnt put in deliberate danger. she has a crate. jack had a gate after having freaked and torn his crate apart. there is danger everywhere for pups just like children. im sorry if it appeared i was having a pop at u about the gate, i was just pointing out the danger in seemingly innocent items. of course i questioned oh, and he questioned me! i can categorically state..... that hurts. to be questioned hurts. of course i know how it all appears, im not daft... but i have nothing whatsoever to hide. hence why i carried on posting. if youre ever i the area doing homechecks i freely invite you (cayla) to come meet myself rosie the kids and oh and set anyones mind at ease. this little lady... the one asleep right now curled up to oh has no issues with him. she was simply scared after the vets.
 
oh my gosh! ive just realised who royale is.... troublemaker indeed.... so royale .... jog on to the next exit. think theres plenty of people here who will recall ur threats to me on fdorum know full well you have no concrn for the animal. your beef is with me. but before ur exit please can someone confiscate your phone? youre dangerous with it and my friends got a bit sick of u phoning them last time......
 
"You do all love a good bloody drama, don't you?"

No, I don't actually, I like to keep my head down, and no, I don't love drama where dogs are concerned, especially.

Charlie YOU posted about the accusations towards your OH on an open forum and people commented on it - that was ALWAYS going to CREATE a drama, especially combined with the tone and content of some of your other posts, you realise that, surely???

I think you have been incredibly unfair on a lot of people who offered you advice over the past few months and on a lot of people whos only concern was and is the welfare of dogs.

Some of your posts have not been incredibly clear (that's obvious if you were upset/confused), there have been a lot of symptoms, a lot of diagnosis over the past few months to digest, and people will understandably be confused and ask questions to clarify what you mean and you have perhaps answered some queries before you had an answer, simply in order to provide one.
"We don't know yet" could have saved you a lot of bother rather than trying to have an answer for everything.

When you are overly emotional, when you are scrabbling in the dark for answers for an animal that is suffering but cannot tell you why, on the open forum, people will offer help and will ask questions and go through every available possibility and offer scrutiny, apart from anything else.

So called dog experts? I can't speak for anyone else, but I never called myself anything of the sort and I can't remember anyone else describing themselves as such,

Once again, good luck with everything.
This is my last post on the matter.
 
people asked questions and i replied as best i could yet felt people wanted more answers. i explained what the one vet had said. of course im upset! when i state that i know he didnt do anything... yet people stil point the finger. thats hurtful. my post wasnt aimed at you.. im confused as you gave me good advice and you didnt accuse? anyway i know the main poster of the accusations was just in it for the windup so tbh it doesnt matter. i know and my vet knows ( and rs breeder) my dogs are loved and cared for and thats all that matters to me.re the bill for r it was paid up next day. vets i had for j who were wonderful invoiced me yesterday so need to go take rosie for a walk and query it as they havent charged enough. £140 for a set of scans painkillers three appointments and the pts and cremation doesnt sound right.....
 
Charlie, I really do not want to get involved again here, but I think if you looked at all your posts as an outsider you would be asking questions too. You had some very unexplained behaviourial problems with Jack if I remember rightly, and then mystery injuries, you asked peoples opinions and they gave them. The vet who suggested he might have been deliberately injured didn't do so lightly I imagine. Daughter was on placement a practice recently where a cat had an injury that could have been caused deliberately, nothing ws said to the client but a note was made on the cats records as a heads up if future incidents happened. The last thing a vet wants to do is wrongly accuse someone.
Your bill does sound reasonable, not sure if it is the practice you started with or the one you are currenty with but in your shoes I don't think I would query it. If they find they have missed something I am sure they will bill you again.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top