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Friend of mine bought a parelli saddle, parelli instructor is not qualified to fitters, failed to see there was a fault with the saddle. Then parelli wouldnt refund.
Be awere.
 
That's because Parelli is a load of money-grubbing hokum.
To achieve best results you MUST have a branded halter and potato stick, costing £200. Fact. *rolls eyes*
(Or you could abuse the horse into submission, a la Catwalk...)
Not having a pop at you at all, OP, I just wouldn't trust a word they/their assosciates say!
 
I had lessons too. Was made to feel like dirt by a so called parelli professional. She would not give me any advice unless I was on a lesson. Complete waste of money
 
So there is a saddle now too? Parelli saddle or not, people should check all the professionals they use have the relevant certification, its why they went to study in the first place, to get qualified! Then the experience builds on the knowledge.
 
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Fairly sure they will also flog you pads etc to go with it.
Having reschooled 1 parelli broken horse (by someone on their website) I would never touch any of it. Whats wrong with some trust building exercises that we don't label as natural horsemanship? Drop the natural, you are either a horseman or not.
 
Like any other consumer product that you buy if the product isn't fit for purpose then your friend has rights under the Sale Of Goods Act. She would need to be able to prove that the saddle never fitted the horse. If she paid by credit card she has redress to the credit card company. If she paid by cheque or debit card then Trading Standards would be her best option.

Not sure what the time limit would be though. If your friend has had the saddle for a while then it could be reasonably argued that the horse has changed shape. Good luck, hope that she can get it sorted. That's a hell of a lot of money to lose!
 
my god, do not buy the Parelli saddle, I have just read all that garbage about how to fit it and it is wrong, totally misleading and will damage your horse. Basically you buy a standard off the shelf saddle which they say will not fit your horse, and then you MUST use shims to life the rider off the shoulders, and put the weight to the back of the saddle, but don;t worry about it fitting when you are standing still, thats not important. Bloody idiots, the rest of the spiel is garbage too. Poor poor horses, and the ignorance of that site is astounding
 
SIZE for the HORSE:

There are two gullet width sizes available for Parelli English Fluidity saddles:

Parelli Standard
Super Wide
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From the website....
What about a medium wide horse? (an I allowed to quote from the website?)
 
Im glad other people feel this way, I thought it as just me. Theres a girl i know who opened a trekking centre which got shut down as she wasnt qualified and now she uses it as a training base for parelli. I have never seen such a load of nonsense. What happened to common sense and building up your own trust with your horse and doing normal de sensitising exersizes on horses. I dont see how you need a certificate to say you spent 100 hours and 2grand to get a certificate to say your horse can now stand on a log at the end of a rope and walk past a piece of tarpaulin. People should have at least a min understanding of a horse as a wild animal and have a mutual respect with them before they on them in the first place. I just dont see why simple handling has been blown out of all proportion and people then genuinely believe they are doing the best for their horse. Utter rubbish in my opinion.
 
I guess they were counting on the fact the average parellite will never get as far as putting a saddle on and riding !!!!, WHY do people keep falling for this mupetry are the TV and magazines realy so desperate for advertising and do they realy think people want this rubbish ramed down their throats when there are other fantastic clinicans who are real horsemen ........ Why why why??????!!!!!!!!
 
dressagelove said:
I don't understand how they manage to stay in business?!
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Sadly it is a dead end!!! but you have to ask why people are atracted to it??? maybe its filling a vacuum left by the poor standard of alot of our instructors and trainers You only have to look at the H&S obsessed dross standard of our equine colleges to see there is a problem....
 
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perfect11s said:
I guess they were counting on the fact the average parellite will never get as far as putting a saddle on and riding !!!!, WHY do people keep falling for this mupetry are the TV and magazines realy so desperate for advertising and do they realy think people want this rubbish ramed down their throats when there are other fantastic clinicans who are real horsemen ........ Why why why??????!!!!!!!!
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I ask myself this often sometimes I think its because it easier than sweating , getting sore muscles and grafting to learn to ride well.
 
dressagelove said:
I don't understand how they manage to stay in business?!
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I don't either. I took a parelli trained youngster in as a livery a while ago. Totally ruined, dangerous vile creature and only 3 years old. Such a waste of what should have been a family all rounder. I had to ask the owner to remove it before anyone got hurt.

On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.

IMO the parelli rope, sprout stick and saddle should all be stuffed up Pat Parelli's axxxxxxxxxx.
 
AdorableAlice said:
I don't either. I took a parelli trained youngster in as a livery a while ago. Totally ruined, dangerous vile creature and only 3 years old. Such a waste of what should have been a family all rounder. I had to ask the owner to remove it before anyone got hurt.

On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.

IMO the parelli rope, sprout stick and saddle should all be stuffed up Pat Parelli's axxxxxxxxxx.
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I know I shouldn't, its not kind, but that had me almost wetting myself with laughter!:o:D
 
AdorableAlice said:
On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.

IMO the parelli rope, sprout stick and saddle should all be stuffed up Pat Parelli's axxxxxxxxxx.
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pmsl brilliant:D:D:D
 
If my 20 year old cob grew any wider I'd be up for animal cruelty of the obese kind! If anything he needs a cumberband that will prevent the width of him incerasing anyfurther!! Especially now that there's the smallest hint of (dare I say it) spring grass!!
xx
 
AdorableAlice said:
I don't either. I took a parelli trained youngster in as a livery a while ago. Totally ruined, dangerous vile creature and only 3 years old. Such a waste of what should have been a family all rounder. I had to ask the owner to remove it before anyone got hurt.

On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.

IMO the parelli rope, sprout stick and saddle should all be stuffed up Pat Parelli's axxxxxxxxxx.
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Love it!
 
onlytheponely said:
Well, if you're not a member of the 'in the know' club they're $4,400 and $4,800 USD :eek::eek:

Word just fail me :confused::confused::confused:
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There is another thread on this subject running at the min. There is a comment about the saddle in question being made and repaired in Walsall and then shipped back to the USA for checking.

When I looked at the picture of the saddle at the very beginning of the thread I thought it looked very like an Ideal Jessica dressage saddle. I am not slating the saddle at all, I had one for a very wide horse and I loved it.

But it did make me wonder if parelli is using a fairly inexpensive british made saddle that would fit the majority of horses, and sticking their brand on and pushing the price up to an eyewatering amount.

Anybody else think it looks like an Ideal Jessica ?
 
AdorableAlice said:
On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.
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I've got to admit, that nearly made me spit me tea all over the keyboard!
However, to be fair it's got f-all to do with Parelli. As an ex Parelli student and employee I can state categorically that no Parelli person has every been taught to load like that. Pat P would go absolutely mental!
I suppose it just goes to prove that just because you've got the halter and stick it doesn't mean you're using the Parelli approach. Just as maybe just because you ride in a dressage saddle doesn't mean you know anything about dressage.
I've had concerns about these saddles ever since they came out, particularly after an instructor suggested that someone shim the front up with a folded towel...
 
QUOTE On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.



^^^^^^^^^^ This really made me laugh :).
 
AdorableAlice said:
I don't either. I took a parelli trained youngster in as a livery a while ago. Totally ruined, dangerous vile creature and only 3 years old. Such a waste of what should have been a family all rounder. I had to ask the owner to remove it before anyone got hurt.

On a funny note, I was at a small show last year and found myself parked next door to parelli types. Their horse, a big old hunter type, refused to go up the ramp, nothing exciting just a ' no can't be bothered reaction.'

The rope and sprout stick came out, the horse was backed up to the end of the rope, the handler then knelt down and bowed her head to the horse remaining in that position for ages, the horse yawned and rested a back leg.

I could not come out of my lorry, had tears running down my face from laughing.

This went on for the length of time it took me to do 2 dressage tests and put my horse away. The parelli person just kept back the horse up and kneeling down again, yards away from the box ramp.

Unable to bear it any more I asked her if she would like a hand, she said yes please and I walked behind her old horse told him to walk on and - you guessed it - up the ramp he went. I swear blind he looked over his shoulder and winked at me.

IMO the parelli rope, sprout stick and saddle should all be stuffed up Pat Parelli's axxxxxxxxxx.
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HHO need a thread for comments like this so call can read the genius.
 
perfect11s said:
Sadly it is a dead end!!! but you have to ask why people are atracted to it??? maybe its filling a vacuum left by the poor standard of alot of our instructors and trainers You only have to look at the H&S obsessed dross standard of our equine colleges to see there is a problem....
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Hi

Im new to the site so hello all :)

With regards to the service that Parelli have given, that is shocking. If your not happy with the saddle and have that gut feeling that it doesn't fit or somethings wrong then they should help you either by sending someone out to help you or taking it back and giving you a refund.
As a saddle fitter myself i don't really agree with the Parellil saddles. Not knocking them, i wouldn't do that, but i was put off by the "lack of widths" and the fact that they are relying on the owner to shim the pad enabling this to fit. I do agree with the shims, some horses have muscle wastage and shimming the pad to help the saddle stay level is a must, but i will say that this isn't a long term thing. This is hoping that with correct work the horse will start to level out again and the shims can come out. What i don't agree with is that the owner has to shim. As the owner sees their horse everyday they don't really see subtle changes in the horse, Where as other people may. This is when the wrong shimming goes on and damage is done to the horse.

I don't really want to go into the Parelli side of it as i don't want to cause a debate. Pat is a good horseman who has a heart of gold and has learnt off the best, Tom Dorrance, Ray Hunt etc. All Linda has done is put it down on paper for more and more people to see, then the marketing hit in! There are a lot of people out there who "Do Parelli, but don't Get Parelli" hence why the bad name. As an Ex Parelli Student (Ex because it got far too commercialised and political) i can openly say that i see so many people who "do parelli" but watching them its not Parelli.
OMG - So sorry, i said i wasn't going to go into the Parelli side and there you go, i have! Oops!! Its confirmed i waffle type as well as waffle talk!!!

Hope your all well.
 
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