poor, poor horse...

AdorableAlice said:
Shocking state, good luck to you, I really hope you are able to get him back to health. The RSPCA will be a waste of time as far as the other horses in the same ownership. ILPH are much better or your local authority's animal health team.
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Agreed! I find the other welfare organisations to be more on the ball! BHS welfare and WHW are usually quite good.
 
WELL DONE SHOWADDY!!!! And yes I am shouting :D

Thank god you found him and brought him home with you. Very very best of luck getting Teddy back to health and do please keep us updated with his progress.

Words totally fail me as to how he can have been allowed to get into such a sorry condition, never mind actually being advertised for sale.

Keep up the good work and have a HUGE HUG for being such a lovely person :)

Fairy
 
Reachel said:
Utter *******s!! this is a 'Real Cruelty' case, what planet are you on? also a condition score of 3 is NOT good.
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your very rude.

Fantasy_World said:
FWIW I would not even contemplate giving a TB a haynet stuffed with straw to munch on, even if they did happen to be a good doer.
IMO straw is a bedding!
Chaff is a filler feed that can be given on its own or with some cool mix, a few apples or one or two carrots to give to obese horses and ponies, laminitics and good doers.
Straw can be mixed with hay/haylage to be given to good doers or obese horses, usually the native types.
I would certainly not be feeding any horse in winter straw in a net on its own, no matter how good its weight was!
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straw is fed ashy would be in this country widley in europe.

muffinmunsh said:
Actually, in Andalucia they often give straw to eat ... And the horses seem fine on it. And in Germany they often feed oat straw if hay is scarce.
Anyway, I an always a bit cynical about rescues but I do wish you best of luck and that you've picked the right one :-)
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as i said above.

i think a lot of people are over dramatic here. a 3 even by RSPCA standards is THIN many tbs this time of year are thin.

unfortunatly in the horse world the UK horse onwners especially really do wrap horses up and expect perfection an every horse to be cared for like a prince and as fat as a king.

tell me.. which other country has as high as numbers of lami cases as we do in the uk???

edit as seen pics now.. i expect op if his winter coat wasnt thee hed be a 1- 1.5. you can ask the welfare societies to come out and do a body score for you and also report previous owner. especiallyif her other horses are as bad.
 
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jhoward said:
i think a lot of people are over dramatic here. a 3 even by RSPCA standards is THIN but not a rescue case. many tbs this time of year are thin.

unfortunatly in the horse world the UK horse onwners especially really do wrap horses up and expect perfection an every horse to be cared for like a prince and as fat as a king.

tell me.. which other country has as high as numbers of lami cases as we do in the uk???
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Have you seen the pictures? If you think that is normal for a TB then I worry for your own animals....

ETA Lami is not usually caused by a horse being fat - it's caused by a horse getting too much rich grass/feed in a short period of time....or by some kind of trauma/toxemia
 
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JH do you not think the animal in the pictures is unacceptably thin :confused:

the score 3 was given by the purchaser only as a guide, on the henneke system and looking at the comparison pics I would guess this was somewhere between a 2 and a 3
 
Poor, poor boy. I don't think I could have walked away, either. He is certainly not what you and your daughter would have envisioned coming home with when you started your horse-hunting! Hopefuly, he will come right, and turn into the horse you were originally looking for. If not, then you have certainly given him a far better chance than he had before. Well done, and good luck :)
 
Ester and TK - I think jhoward has edited her post to say that she has now seen the pictures and thinks that the score should only be a 1 or 1.5.

I too was shocked when first reading her comments (having seen the pics myself) but then realised that she had not looked at them when first commenting.

Truly awful state that poor boy was in.
 
Double_choc_lab said:
Ester and TK - I think jhoward has edited her post to say that she has now seen the pictures and thinks that the score should only be a 1 or 1.5.

I too was shocked when first reading her comments (having seen the pics myself) but then realised that she had not looked at them when first commenting.

Truly awful state that poor boy was in.
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But as a responsible horse owner I would expect you know what causes laminitis? It shocked me that she didn't.
 
Hi all, Teddy still scoffing!! not fussed on his hard feed but loves the haylage! Looking brighter in the eyes already. I have just created a facebook page called 'saving teddy' to upload pics of his progress....
Vet happy with progress, dentist coming soon... RSPCA and ILPH notified, local authority animal welfare have been emailed.
I'm knackered!!!
Just to point out, I'm aware that he may turn into a monster once at a healthy weight, hopefully he wont. Thanks again x
 
I took on the care of a little pony who was easily that bad. She weighed just 550lbs. Her owner claimed she had lost weight every winter for 20 years (she was then in her late 30's). A decent, properly fitting rug and the correct amount of soaked fibre cubes and sugarbeet sorted her out and she went through all the following winters weighing over 700lbs. Strange isn't it?
 
Wishing you all the best with him, hope he makes a full recovery, looking forward to an update, poor fella, least he is in safe hands now, he's very lucky to have found a new caring home, onwards and upwards. :)
 
I still find it remarkable that there are comments on here about TB's that at this time of the year should look thin? These can only be from incredibly inexperienced, ignorant horse owners or horse wannabe owners with no understanding of horsemanship or husbandry. Many horses are thin at this time of year due to poor management and care, there are as many poor doers in your standard cob as there are TB's but its the visual state that we judge on. Its common sense that a TB is finer than A another and may need more bulk feed through the winter which is the responsibility and judgement you as an experienced horse owner take on when chosing a horse. It is not acceptable to think that a TB as a more athletic build should be thin? A greyhound would look more appalling than a Staffy even if the body condition was graded at the same level. All I can hope for in this instance is that a TB does not fall in to the hands of these ignorant people as it seems your poor Teddy did..

I'm following you on FB so looking forward to keeping up to date with his progress! I saw someone already suggest yoghurt in his feed which really is a good probiotic and helps digestion so may be a consideration and be mindful the high energy and rich content in hayledge which will go through him like a train! Little and often and he'll be right!
 
showaddy1 said:
Just to point out, I'm aware that he may turn into a monster once at a healthy weight, hopefully he wont. Thanks again x
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I did worry about this I have to say, having seen a grade A horse kept on a body score of about 3 (have no idea of scoring, but he was pretty skinny and had a sunken neck) who WAS kept that way to keep him controllable. When he was fully fit and fed he was a v, v strong (yet still lovely!) horse. He is now owned by a HHOer and after a good few years of nice treatment he is now a much easier to ride horse afaik :)
 
Squeelie said:
I still find it remarkable that there are comments on here about TB's that at this time of the year should look thin? These can only be from incredibly inexperienced, ignorant horse owners or horse wannabe owners with no understanding of horsemanship or husbandry. Many horses are thin at this time of year due to poor management and care, there are as many poor doers in your standard cob as there are TB's but its the visual state that we judge on. Its common sense that a TB is finer than A another and may need more bulk feed through the winter which is the responsibility and judgement you as an experienced horse owner take on when chosing a horse. It is not acceptable to think that a TB as a more athletic build should be thin? A greyhound would look more appalling than a Staffy even if the body condition was graded at the same level. All I can hope for in this instance is that a TB does not fall in to the hands of these ignorant people as it seems your poor Teddy did..

I'm following you on FB so looking forward to keeping up to date with his progress! I saw someone already suggest yoghurt in his feed which really is a good probiotic and helps digestion so may be a consideration and be mindful the high energy and rich content in hayledge which will go through him like a train! Little and often and he'll be right!
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if that snobby remark was aimed at me ,i didn't say a tb should look thin at this time of year ,i pointed out that it wouldn't be that unusual for a tb to be poorer at this time of year

and i am not an inexperienced ,wannabe ,ignorant horse owner and have actually owned TB's in the past

it is however you who is coming across as a stuck up ,know it all weather you are right or wrong, 16yr old school child ,either that or a troll


OP trying to keep on topic
you have certainly done the right thing for that horse and i wish you well with him :)
 
T_K said:
Have you seen the pictures? If you think that is normal for a TB then I worry for your own animals....

ETA Lami is not usually caused by a horse being fat - it's caused by a horse getting too much rich grass/feed in a short period of time....or by some kind of trauma/toxemia
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i have actually known quite a few horses who have suffered from laminitis simply because they were fat
 
Our 28yo TB is slim at this time of year, he is far from the pics on this post, but he isn't fat. Its important to not have his joints overloaded though, as the risk/potential for arthritis for him is greater. I would rather him slimmer this time of year, in preparation for the spring flush than getting too fat. Its an annual natural cycle, and yes can be managed so it doesn't happen, but for those who keep their horses more naturally (ie lots of grazing 24/7 turnout) this is an effective way of management. Certainly have to ensure our welsh x is slim before spring, otherwise he gets a huge crest. :)
 
I wasn't expecting him to be as bad as he is, massive admiration to you for being brave enough to take him on.

I can't believe his original owner had advertised him for sale. Surely she wasn't going to ride him in that condition?

Do you know what condition her other horses were in and if it was a livery yard or a private yard as if the former doesn't the livery owner have a duty of care to a horse in their yard?
 
angelish said:
if that snobby remark was aimed at me ,i didn't say a tb should look thin at this time of year ,i pointed out that it wouldn't be that unusual for a tb to be poorer at this time of year

and i am not an inexperienced ,wannabe ,ignorant horse owner and have actually owned TB's in the past

it is however you who is coming across as a stuck up ,know it all weather you are right or wrong, 16yr old school child ,either that or a troll


OP trying to keep on topic
you have certainly done the right thing for that horse and i wish you well with him :)
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This is not the place to get in to childish remarks, OP has taken on a huge project and we all wish her well. Your outburst and offensive comments are unnecessary, my post was not aimed at you nor was it aimed at just one person. Some of the post's here (if you care to read all of them) are suggesting that it is ok for a TB to be thin at this time of the year and for me I find that unacceptable!

It is not like any other breed so we have to be mindful when we decide to be a TB owner. If you have a TB and treat it like a Dale then generally you will have a poor TB (I am not speaking for all TB's) the only reason a TB is underweight is because of the individuals horse management (excluding worms/grass sickness or any illness) it is not because it has chosen to be thin which seems to be the general thoughts of some individuals shown with some posts on here. If you leave a finer horse out all winter with no rugs or no more feed than the highland pony in the same field you will find that it probably will be thinner than the pony? Is this acceptable or do you feed them as individuals to cater for their welfare? If you can tell me in an adult way the mechanics of why you think a TB is normally thin at this time of the year apart from complete ignorance (not meaning that offensively but not everyone understands what owning a TB entails) or noticing that a TB is thin but not having the correct management like warmth/rugs/feed/worming/ then I will apologies to you for the obvious offense caused.

I am neither 16 nor a troll? was that really necessary?

I worked in rehabilitating mistreated horses and broke my neck & most of my bones doing so, I took on projects destined for the meat man and I helped people that were at the end of the road and money with their horses, I had a great team and we were widely accredited for the work we did. I worked dammed hard so I do have a little knowledge of what I am talking about. I came from a council estate and I still live on bread and beans so if you want to be nasty and use words as Snobby & Troll make sure you know my background first so you use the correct words to insult me.

I will be resigning from this thread now and will not pick up any more comments, If you want to reply to this please do this direct to me by clicking on my user name so no-one else has to be involved as I am sure they are on here for the progress of Teddy.

Again OP, I will be following your FB page and I apologies for this post but it was pretty impossibly for me not to respond to this persons comments.
 
in the defence of squeelie i have known her for many years and have had the pleasure of working alongside her for many years, i have seen her pain her determination to get it right with TB and other breeds that needed help, i have also shared in her blood sweat and tears along the way. squeelie is a remarkable person who is forthright and honest, who does her best by any animal with amazing results, and having owned TB's in the past mine was never underweight nor was she thin.. as she recieved correct care. i agree whole heartidly with squeelis comments regarding how to look after a TB they are expensive to look after which is why so many fall by the wayside which is sad...
 
I also agree with people that he looks very thin , poor lad he deserves better than he had. Good on you for rescuing him from such a horrible place.

I would suggest you give him some Pink Powders and after he has had the 5 day Panacur wormer I would give him a liver tonic I can recommend the one from Trinity Consultants, Roger Hatch is wonderful when It comes to sorting horses out.

tel 01243551766 website www.trinity-consultants.com
 
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I hope you don't mind me putting these over here for the people who can't see on your profile showaddy :)

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What a gorgeous colour he is and yes, what a dreadful state. Do you know how old he is? Good luck with him I am sure he will look really good when he gains some weight. You truely are a lovely person for risking your money and taking on a horse in that state.
 
What a story , so glad you rescued him and brought him home!:)

Does he have a microchip or a passport/ passport name?
Interested to see if he was raced.
 
I'm so glad you have him. As you say, poor,poor horse. What kind of person allows a horse to deteriorate to such a state. This didn't happen overnight!! There is thin and there is emaciated. Some horse benefit from being on the thin side....NONE benefit from being emaciated. Please let us know how he gets on, I've a feeling he will reward your kindness.
 
Ditto what everyone else has said, he is one very lucky boy & what a dreadful state. Well Done for finding him & giving him a chance. I will be following him on facebook. Good luck with him :)
 
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