Something to think about when we look at videos and pictures of modern dressage.
Modern dressage methods (that lead to less perfect positions) have been proven to be very damaging to the horse, I have seen manny autopsy pictures of modern dressage and showjumping horses and they are hearbraking. I dont want to post the autopsy pictures or articles, I dont want to ruin anyones day. But they have found: Partial crushing of partoid salivary gland, injury of atlanooccipital membrane, damage on cervical spine and spinal muscles, severe recrudescent necrosis of the muscles etc. etc.
Because of this kind o oppinions the dressage has gone and it is going in a wrong way. You try working out regularely in this position for a year.
I was sort of in agreement to the point that there is too much interest in the position of the head but it seems that Lola is also over fixated on that and seems to think that all dressage riders use rollkur and all of them are incorrect. the marks judges give for each movement are only to a 10 which is excellent and not perfect. plus they are only able to judge what is in front of them in the actual test and not the training methods - although there are frequent disagreements as to how correct the judges are in their marking. I dont think anyone wants to see horses ridden using rollkur and few people will agree that it is correct in any way or good for the long term wellbeing of the horse. but there are more people now starting to try and train in ways that are better for the horse and its long term health which is partly due to Carl/Charlotte and the way they train their horses which among other things includes turnout and hacking plus their horses are not always ridden in a double bridle. Look on the thread I saw a week or so ago about a german lady who is trying to get the german fn and the fei to act and stop the misuse of tack and nosebands and also try to remember there are more flies caught with honey.... I think its far better to show the good in pictures and praise people who are trying to improve the training and way of going/wellbeing of their horses so that others strive to be like them and hopefully gradually more and more horses will be better off for that
This is where I disagree with you. for me collection does not start with the back it starts from the hindlegs. I start working the horse with the question what do you actually collect when you get to that stage of training? my answer is energy and therefore I always look at the back legs as the source of the energy and from the start the horse must therefore work from its hindlegs. all the hands do is hold the energy and direct it into the movements that are required for the level of training the horse is at. a horse can work ldr without having its head on its chest and can work from behind over its back to that position with loose swining paces. not all ldr is rollkur or incorrect
I had not realised that it was not your first language. the thing with ldr is that the incorrect use of it is modern in that its relatively few (5?) years that its been used as an excuse for hyperflexion in that since the outcry about hyperflexion a few people have said what they are doing is not hyperflexion (not allowed under rules) its ldr (allowed under rules) so its not really "modern ldr" in reality its some people pretending they are doing ldr to get around the rules
This topic is about horses head position not keeping the horses through the ages, we all know what the situation was and is.
People here use the word rollkur without een knowing what it means. Deep low and round is the same thing just easier to look at and doing a little less damage.
