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ihatework said:
The EK horse from the outset was a WTAF moment. Not only did the horse never scream out to be an UL event horse, but the way the GFM was marketed was obscene. That was borderline scam imo.
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Emily King and Go Fund Me. What do the other initials WTAF and UL mean please?
 
I don't think you have to believe that this person is a bad person to call this a scam. Someone has likely suggested it as what looks like a quick and easy way to get what she wants and it probably just hasnt been fully thought through. I'm sure she does love the horse, so she isn't being untruthful, but its still emotionally manipulating your followers to buy yourself a pony which is... pretty scammy.
 
PurpleSpots said:
Crazy_cat_lady: '(where is he now, by the way? Thought he was supposed to be incredible...)'


I believe the horse that EK did the GFM for was this one:

LANGFORD TAKE THE BISCUIT

www.britisheventing.com www.britisheventing.com

Had more than one fall, few rider falls, and no results since 2021. There's more to it but I can't remember it all now.

Things happen, but it does make you wonder if he was pushed too much because of the GFM and the pressure for results. Yet another reason to question whether horses should be used in sport IMO.
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He nearly killed Emily's boyfriend....at novice. He was never worth £40k. A complete scam.
 
The EK GFM left an unpleasant taste. Huge promises about yard visits and behind the scenes access which was never realistic. And the horse was unproven and ultimately not very good. I donated to Jonty and Art but I fruit that was different. He was an established UL horse and it was not beyond possibility that he would have gone very far in the sport.
 
PurpleSpots said:
I am surprised her family weren't more aware of this potential outcome though - her Dad is a rider, coach, judge and author in the dressage world?
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I hadn't realised this, not sure why but I thought she was from a non- horsey background. Not that it matters at all.

I think Mary Wanless is the other owner of the horse?
 
southerncomfort said:
I think if someone requests public donations then they must expect scrutiny and criticism. And likewise, if its shared on here then we are entitled to discuss it.

The only Go Fund Me's I have donated to were for people experiencing genuine hardship or in genuine need.
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And this is the second go fund me? She recently was asking for money to buy another horse she was riding
I’m sure there was another one.
 
FieldOrnaments said:
Whilst I know you can't control what others spend their money on but it's rather depressing to think what that sum of money could achieve put towards making the world a better place, instead of just getting one person what they want.
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Just think what animal charities could do with that amount.
 
I came across this website earlier - not sure if it is up to date though?

Horses | Philyrides

We invest into horses our riders click with and who we believe have all it takes to become top class equine athletes. All our horses are available for co-ownership / syndicate ownership. Jaguar VOD in training with Milly Dove towards international Grand Prix dressage
www.philyrides.com www.philyrides.com
 
KikiDee said:
I don’t think the valuation is too wild, AM/PSG horses regularly go for 6 figure sums.
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There is a very big range across those horses though. There is a horse on HQ that is a year younger, good scores, high placings in AF champs at PSG (maybe even Inter I), amateur friendly. Obvs it's just an ad but that's priced at £58k to give a comparator. Lucinda Elliot had a couple of very nice looking horses with great scores that will go very correctly for 6 figures. The grey mare she has that is scoring 70%+ at AM was on for 80k 6/8 weeks ago.

The horse in question does not have that sort of record.

I was looking at dressage horses (much lower budget 🤣) very recently, I'm not a total stalker!
 
It’s like anything I guess, depends what it’s worth to the seller and what the buyer thinks it’s worth. There’s a small tour horse on HQ at the moment for £100k.

I was horse shopping for a friend recently looking for an Intermediate schoolmaster and was shocked at the price of dressage horses tbh. People who want well trained dressage horses clearly have deep pockets :oops:
 
and yes, majority shareholder

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1.2K views · 19 reactions | Part 1 of our NEW story 😊 While on the journey of no more horses which was quite successful for many years, I saw my most admired modern dressage rider Milly Dove having to sell her horse, not her own, but very hers 💔 I’ve

Part 1 of our NEW story 😊 While on the journey of no more horses which was quite successful for many years, I saw my most admired modern dressage rider Milly Dove having to sell her horse, not her...
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Well he's a lovely looking horse but it seems I'm definitely wrong about the price and it is only for 55%. If they have started injecting hocks then I personally think the ethical thing to do would be for the shareholders to accept a lower offer for the horse to take a step down from upper level sport but that's just me.

Perhaps that's what the rider is planning for him.

ETA, I'm reading her posts which are very transparent and open for all to see (good of her) but it does sound like this is a very convoluted situation where her father's company was previously the majority owner, and he's sold that company (so sold the shares of the horse along with it) and the new business owner wants to sell their share of the horse. So her father will have been paid for this horse when the shares were sold.

She has also commented that the seller won't let her have the horse valued and is just naming a price or will put their share on the open market. So it's not valued at what is being raised to purchase it.

It sounds a mess tbh.
 
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I've donated.

Personally, I really like her ethical training and connection to Mary Wanless and am happy to try to help support that in some small way.

I don't see it as either donate to a GFM vs charity. It's quite possible to do both.
 
I don't know. It's in her comments here. But it could be anything, couldn't it - perhaps the relationship is not straightforward or perhaps he sold because he needed the funds elsewhere.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/16jtDeeZY3/?mibextid=wwXIfr

It could also be that what is being asked for is higher than what was received as part of that sale. There are many reasons I could imagine where funds from the sale of the horse beforehand may not be available to repurchase it. But as I said, complicated rather than a straightforward situation.
 
I hope the sale falls through! And Milly can then buy him herself for a sensible amount. It just seems that the seller(s) have plucked a grossly inflated sum out of thin air and the buyer is wealthy enough not to care. Which all feels a bit grubby to me.
 
Ambers Echo said:
I hope the sale falls through! And Milly can then buy him herself for a sensible amount. It just seems that the seller(s) have plucked a grossly inflated sum out of thin air and the buyer is wealthy enough not to care. Which all feels a bit grubby to me.
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I don't know if they even have a buyer or if he's just going abroad to be sold from there?
 
I find it very unlikely that something worth £150K and which has multiple owners doesn't have some sort of legal agreement as to what happens if one party wants out. How likely is it that no such agreement exists, or if it does, it allows the majority shareholder to just name their price.

Crazy_cat_lady said:
Gfm needs some serious regulation
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Totally agree with this. ATM anyone can make up any sob story true or otherwise and start begging for money. There's no verification on whether the story is true or not, whether the funds end up being used for the purpose stated, or if they are set up to benefit someone else, or a charity, whether these funds end up where they are supposed to. GFM doesn't care because it will take it's percentage anyway. Another thing not to like about it, if you want to give to a charity give direct then all your money goes to the good cause. I wonder how much profit these begging sites are making 🤔.

I'm not saying that this will be the case, it's just an example, but the horse could be bought using other peoples money and there's nothing to stop it being sold on within a couple of months. There's no checks / balances / controls once the money is in.
 
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