Postal Strike - Is this the Death Knell of Royal Mail?

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With the the likelihood of a nationwide strike starting on 22nd October, I can't help but wonder if this is the death knell of the Royal Mail.
 
A lot of their employees and their union seem intent on destroying the Royal Mail. If they strike, people will turn to other companies and never go back.
 
This is what I have been thinking too. As much as we can all sympathise with a poor working environment, I'm not sure that RM employees have an awful lot to complain about do they?

I can't see much sympathy for any strike, from the public.
 
Not having watched the news for a bit,what is the strike over this time?

I do feel sorry for our lovely post lady,she has been doing 3 routes for the last few years due to lack of staff
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I am SICK of royal mail!
NEVER again.
i had this seasons horse pics sent by signed for, recorded delivery.
well, someone has signed for them.
obviously not me tho as they went to b***dy chorley not blackpool!
so they are doing NOTHING about it and i cant even claim on the insurance as they have been delivered!
bo***ks to the lot of them!
 
Big towns and cities might be able to use the private mail services, however, us folk in the country will not have that privilege. If RM does go down the pan and the mail becomes privatised then I wonder what will happen to rural deliveries then??

Our Postie is brilliant btw and she is not happy with the current situation regarding strike action.
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they're a lazy lot of ***s and everyone I know is just basically well chuffed at doing half a days work for a full days pay.
our postie gave my kids a load of crap about how he was too poor (oh yes, owns smart house, two new cars and goes on lots of holidays) to buy our hens eggs because he could get them cheaper down the road.
Then came whining to me wanting me to put up a sticker saying keep the post office nationalised!!!
Thankfully my children have learned about both relative and absolute poverty, so they know he is talking through his Royal Mail shorts, and I feel no pain if his job goes down the swanny.
Don't worry about rural deliveries, Doris68, someone will do them, it's a market, it will be filled.
Personally, I want one of the papers to provide me with a front door sticker saying 'Work through the Recession like everyone else, you lazy git'

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Not that I feel strongly about it, or anything
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Don't worry about rural deliveries, Doris68, someone will do them, it's a market, it will be filled.


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Ermm, it may be a market it is not possible to make a profit in, given the distances involved in relation to mail volume...so I am also concerned about rural deliveries. They are a public service rather than a business opportunity as I think they may continue to require subsidy to be viable....
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You may be right, but I object to that subsidy being used to allow at least three people I know who work for Royal Mail, to boast about how if they get it right, they are done before lunchtime, and in fact can as near as damn it run their own business or do a second nearly full time job.
Our own postman has had three foreign holidays this year, as well as extended sick leave, and tells us gleefully each day how close he is to his target of being home all done by noon.
If it's got to be subsidised, it should be ensured that the subsidy is used properly.
 
Bet DHL and all the other carriers are rubbing their hands together at the sight of the posties limping around after they shot themselves in the foot... my guess is it will end up with the private companys getting all the good profitable work and the tax payer subsidising a smaller post office serving the rural and uneconomic routes thanks to piss poor management and dinosaur unions with there heads up their
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I have been waiting for my royalties cheque to arrive, which it did today, posted on the 8th October in Exeter - 30 miles away! My cash flow is pretty up and down due to the recession and it being late has made things very difficult.
I also object to paying £5 extra to guarantee next day delivery for a letter if it is important!
 
Everyone who works in the private sector knows things are tough at the moment, so we do our best to keep business flowing in, working harder for no extra money and acknowledge there will be no bonus or pay rise this year.

The Royal Mail then try to whinge that they shouldn't have to take on extra duties to fulfil their 8 hour contracted day without getting an increased wage. In the meantime small businesses who depend on the postal system are being choked to death. It would serve Royal Mail right if they lost every big contract on their books.

I for one won't have any sympathy when the strikers moan they haven't got enough funds to celebrate Christmas in the manner they would like.
 
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Big towns and cities might be able to use the private mail services, however, us folk in the country will not have that privilege. If RM does go down the pan and the mail becomes privatised then I wonder what will happen to rural deliveries then??:(

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We are very rural, the only property in the post code and a long long way down a single track lane. Almost all of my "shopping" for the dogs and horses I do online, including dog, horse, & poulty feed. None of it bar Royal Canin use Royal Mail or Parcel Force. All comes courier, on time, in one piece. Royal Canin use Parcel Force and though it leaves RC say on a Monday it can take 5 days to get to me when it is logged as an overnight delivery.

I also run an ecommerce business and bar small letters gave up on Royal Mail and Parcel Force years ago. Couriers are cheaper and more reliable.

We do get a daily mail delivery and the postie's (3 on rotation) brag about us being the last of the days run at 12.30 and how they have 2 hours to "kill" before clocking off. So they go to the end of the lane to a scenic lookout and have a nap! One of the regulars has had over 20 weeks off this year alone through a cold, then a sinus infection. PLUS his regular holidays which of course he was well enough to travel abroad for after only 2 days back at work after being off "sick" for 6 weeks!
 
I reckon you live on the same postal route as me, harkback.

Lazy sods, I hope they all lose their jobs. Plus, I've just found out today the eggs he used to buy off us, and stopped cos he was 'too poor and he could get them cheaper elsewhere'?
He buys them up cheap off his rural customers and sells them on on his round, which is totally illegal.
 
unfortunatly guys i think you are being a little blinkered here. i worked for royal mail and left 4 weeks ago due to health problems at the ripe old age of 24!!!!
so a few little insights i think ppl need to be aware of. Firstly, we dont get overtime. if ppl go sick, we have to cover and belive me we are lucky if only 2 out of 20 are off a day. rules state that we carry 16kg in evrybag.
we have to use are own cars to get to our rounds and are NOT given any expenses.
During the summer we start at 5am and are lucky if we are finished by 3pm. which when it is a hot sunny day is exhausting.
we got 4 weeks holiday a year which had to be booked a WEEK at a time, no days off only a week, if we needed a day we had to pay a colege to take our work which going rate is about £100 pounds a day.
If we told them they were giving us too much work we got told to walk faster.
I was off work for 2 months before leaving due to bullying. i am now in the process of taking this further as the treatment RM employee's get is DISGRACFUL.
these are just a few of the problems, a friend has just been sacked after he took too much sick time after breaking his leg whilst at work.
not to metion the dog bites. owners DO NOT control their dogs. I used to get bitten at least twice a week, one of which i was hospitalised. it resulted in the whole street not getting their mail as it became too dangerous. and believe me i did not take this disition lightly.

I completly understand all of your arguments as i have also lost entries resently but please dont forget employee's do not get paid when on strike and most of them wont be happy to be striking.
Personally i wish RM would go down the pan, they are crap. i once witnessed my manager finding mail behind a cabinet that had been there for 3 YEARS!!! he picked it up and through it in the bin. unbeliveable.

please please dont get me wrong, i hear your arguments and dont disagree but some of the employees arguments are true, and we are (were) not like what sounds like your horrible posties are.
 
well said Aregona! Also, posties dont get ANY lunch breaks (despite it being law!) and have already done half their shift before most people start their working day!
 
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well said Aregona! Also, posties dont get ANY lunch breaks (despite it being law!) and have already done half their shift before most people start their working day!

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sorry, plenty of people start work early, including my dh who works on a farm, that doesn't mean he gets to sleep in a layby or knock off by lunch time.

And there is also a law that you are not allowed to sell eggs on through a third party, unless you are a registered packing station, but that doesn't stop our postman profiteering in his 'royal mail' van - there was a name for people like that in the second world war, I believe.

I've got no sympathy, I'm sorry. There are lots of people less than happy with their terms and conditions of work, but at a time of economic disaster, and very high unemployment, most of them have the sense to buckle under and get on with it, until things get better.

I wonder why anyone thought b*ggering up Christmas for everyone was going to place them at the top of a popularity poll anyway
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A lot of their employees and their union seem intent on destroying the Royal Mail. If they strike, people will turn to other companies and never go back.

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I'd like to see another company take a letter from Land's End to John O'Groats for the sum of 28p, or run a series of convenient drop off points all around every town, or collect parcels from Post Offices in every village... Once the Royal Mail has gone it will never be replaced; it is not commercially viable. I am behind the postal workers, on balance, as I do not want to lose the RM service.
 
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I'd like to see another company take a letter from Land's End to John O'Groats for the sum of 28p, or run a series of convenient drop off points all around every town, or collect parcels from Post Offices in every village...

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So would I. Preferably today
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Thats one postie selling eggs! Not the whole of RM personel! Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush! For the record, I work my contacted hours (7 1/2 )and finish at dinnertime, which is why I took the job on in the first place, I start at 5am and finish at 1.30. I work through my lunch, I use my own car with NO allowance for it. I have to cover any sickness without extra pay even though it means working overtime. I am certainly not a one off either. Yes there are lazy posties, but with such a massive workforce there is always going to be. I do not finish my working day when I finish delivering, I run a sheep farm too which means my working day is quite often finishing at 11pm. So, no, this postie is certainly NOT lazy!
 
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Thats one postie selling eggs! Not the whole of RM personel! Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush! For the record, I work my contacted hours (7 1/2 )and finish at dinnertime, which is why I took the job on in the first place, I start at 5am and finish at 1.30. I work through my lunch, I use my own car with NO allowance for it. I have to cover any sickness without extra pay even though it means working overtime. I am certainly not a one off either. Yes there are lazy posties, but with such a massive workforce there is always going to be. I do not finish my working day when I finish delivering, I run a sheep farm too which means my working day is quite often finishing at 11pm. So, no, this postie is certainly NOT lazy!

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And all I'm saying is, that that makes them no different than anyone else!
My husband starts at 5 .30 most days, and finishes shepherding for someone else anytime from 4 til 8 or 9 depending on the season and then runs his own flock as well, so I'm sure you are working very hard.

And I know it's only the one postie selling eggs, it just got up my nose
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BUT, everyone else isn't on strike at a crucial time of year (and for all I know, maybe you'd rather not be, in fact I think our egg selling postie is against the strike. For obvious reasons when you think about it
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) and when there is already a threat to the organisation.

If I were a turkey farmer, which praise God I'm not, and there was a move toward national vegetarianism, which we were all just managing to fend off, I wouldn't go on strike at Christmas!

I just think it's a bad move, shameful to kick public morale at a time like this, and in general, that the answer to the above question is, yes, it really probably is.
 
I'm sure, as in every job, there are the odd lazy so and sos who give everyone a bad name. I'm also sure many royal mail employees work very hard and that the royal mail provides a valuable service which would probably not maintained in rural areas otherwise.
However, changes have to be made in all organisations to fit with changing times and to make services, especially public services, more cost effective. I have worked in the private sector, and now in the public sector and in both the reality is you have to adapt to survive.
At this point in time, when many people are losing or struggling to keep their jobs and accepting low or no pay rises and changes to working conditions, I personally do not think this strike action is appropraite.
 
This might be slightly incidental, but my father was in London a couple of months ago and got chatting to his postman about the strike - he gave the postie a copy of an article he had found in the London Review of Books about how Royal Mail doesn't much care about the average letter poster and are only interested in the big corporate clients. He was visiting from France last week and bumped into the postman again only to discover that the article had been photocopied and circulated to all the local offices just prior to the strike to boost morale... The postman even went so far as to greet him with the rather priceless words 'Vive la Revolution!'...

I think it is a spectacularly bad time to stage a strike in the run up to Christmas as it drives businesses elsewhere by necessity. I've lost count of the number of gleeful emails I've had this week from Parcel2Go trumpetting about how they can deliver on time etc. I might have more sympathy if they hadn't made such an economically suicidal decision..
 
Yes change is essential, its how they are going about it thats the problem. Personally, Im not striking, Im on boxrest following a very serious operation! Im still undecided on whether or not I would have gone out on strike or not. I agree the timing is crap, if this was 18 months ago I would have definately gone out. However, the union is limited with the timing as these changes are imminent. Its true, Im lucky to have a job in these hard times. In fact, my OH is currently at work laying off 6 of his staff, not good when these are hard working men with families and mortgages. Royal Mail are obliged to deliver to every address in this country, regardless of how remote, all for the price of a stamp. The partial sell off will mean the competitors can cherry pick the most profitable parts, for example, highly populated areas such as Birmingham, Manchester etc... leaving Royal Mail their legal obligation to deliver to the non profitable areas such as rurals. They say that letters have declined, true, but, the packet side has grown massively due to internet shopping and ebay.
 
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Firstly, we dont get overtime.

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neither do i
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if ppl go sick, we have to cover and belive me we are lucky if only 2 out of 20 are off a day.

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i have to cover as well- there are 4 people in my area working fulltime and regualarly i have to cover all 4 roles.
i don't get any extra payment or reward

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we have to use are own cars to get to our rounds and are NOT given any expenses.

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yep, i use my own car to go to meetings and to travel between our 2 sites- no expenses.

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During the summer we start at 5am and are lucky if we are finished by 3pm. which when it is a hot sunny day is exhausting.

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i start at 7am and work till 4pm EVERYDAY so for part of the season posties work 1 hour more than the hours i do all year round. and i am regularly here after 4pm.
my lunch is at my desk while i go through my email backlog.

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If we told them they were giving us too much work we got told to walk faster.

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if i don't get all of my work done it is assumed i will stay to finish it- i work in a very tight timeframe and there are simply no excuses if things get missed.

i think a lot of people are in the same boat with pay/ working hours etc and we don't strike because in this economic time we are grateful for jobs and want to do everything we can to make sure the companies we work for stay afloat.

we had an announcement last week that we were having a payfreeze for the year and some people have been layed off- but most people understand that the company is tightening its belt now to avoid folding in the future; something RM staff seem not to understand.
 
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