POWA Hunt monitor arrested for murder

[Marcovaldo]

These are the people that Widdecombe wants to be given police powers!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5877904.ece

 

[PaddyMonty]

Report states the person was struck by the gyro whilst it was taxing on the RUNWAY. Doubt the pilot was in the wrong here.

 

[the watcher]

Report states the person was struck by the gyro whilst it was taxing on the RUNWAY. Doubt the pilot was in the wrong here.

I agree - no matter what people might think about POWA (and I couldn't possibly comment), this particular case is not going to help anybody and is just a tragedy.

 

[Eagle_day]

Oh that's all right then.

I suggest you wait until we hear all the facts until you jump to conclusions. Meanwhile, a man has been decapitated and so I'd be grateful if you'd spare us your moralising and show some respect.

 

[JanetGeorge]

Report states the person was struck by the gyro whilst it was taxing on the RUNWAY. Doubt the pilot was in the wrong here.

The police do not normally arrest people on suspicion of murder without SOME evidence of wrongdoing - unless it is the only way to detain them for questioning. There is that good old standby - "helping police with their enquiries". Even if a person is unco-operative, some evidence is usually required for an arrest to be made on such a serious charge.

I have read about 8 different reports and material facts do vary considerably at this stage so the only thing we can be sure of is that a decent man who was very well thought of has been killed in a horrific way.

Can we unite in showing respect and sympathy for Trevor Morse's family - and wait for the results of the police investigation.

 

[Marcovaldo]

There is a certain irony that POWA are campaigning for accidental killing of animals to be made a criminal offense.

Agree with the point about respect though. I was merely trying to point out that use of dangerous surveillance planes would be better done by the police rather than hunt sabs.

 

[combat_claire]

I couldn't believe this when I heard about it last night, what a tragic end to a life. Thinking of his friends and family at this time.

 

[PaddyMonty]

I suggest you wait until we hear all the facts until you jump to conclusions. Meanwhile, a man has been decapitated and so I'd be grateful if you'd spare us your moralising and show some respect.

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that moralising as you put it was the sole right of the pro group as per OP.

As it happens I am neither pro nor anti on the subject of hunting and used to actively hunt. I was simple trying to balance a very one sided opening post. The facts remain, people should not walk on to active runways just as they shouldn't walk on railway lines etc.
A tragic accident is what I see here. The reason for being on the runway is irrelevant

 

[Marcovaldo]

I haven't said it wasn't a tragic accident. All I was pointing out was that I didn't think that hunt monitors should be buzzing hunts with helicopters. It seems to me that is very dangerous.

I'd be very very very cautious about giving hunt sabatouers/monitors police powers as widdecombe wants.

 

[Maesfen]

I couldn't believe this when I heard about it last night, what a tragic end to a life. Thinking of his friends and family at this time.

My thoughts exactly, dreadful time and experience for them.

 

[the watcher]

I haven't said it wasn't a tragic accident. All I was pointing out was that I didn't think that hunt monitors should be buzzing hunts with helicopters. It seems to me that is very dangerous.

I'd be very very very cautious about giving hunt sabatouers/monitors police powers as widdecombe wants.

Gosh yes, untrained, observationally unbalanced, evidentially not credible - how could any politian even consider that - added to the irony that so many clashes result in the Police having to be called out by either side.

I have an idea, perhaps the Police should ride out with hound exercising and drag hunts to ensure that there are no breaches of the law.....

no idea who would pay for it, but what a cool job!

 

[Christmas Crumpet]

When I heard last night I was, in a way, of the opinion that perhaps the man who has died shouldn't have followed the sabs to the airfield but it has since transpired that he went to fill up with diesel. Its is a totally awful thing to happen and a tragic accident and the people who were flying the gyrocopter have got blood on their hands and will have this to deal with for the rest of their lives. It does not show anti's and their various groups in a good light at all and unfortunately for them hunting will come out in a far better light. It is one thing to get dressed up in black and wear balaclaver's and film hunts etc but another kettle of fish killing a very popular hunt supporter. I fear this may mean that there ends up being a lot more violence between anti's and hunting people. Whether it was an accident or not will not matter. The simple truth is that the anti's killed a hunt supporter. Even if they do get off lightly in court, they will not when they have gone back to their normal lives because they will be targeted for what they have done. I don't envy them one bit.

Needless to say anti's have been the bane of OH's life this season and it is due to them he is giving up hunt service. Not that it makes much difference because he will continue his "pest" control for the farmers as he always has done and will continue to stick 2 fingers up at the law because anyone who is a true country person will know that is has to be done whether its legal or not.

 

[Girlracer]

I've actually hunted on this airfield with the north cots, about a 5min drive from my yard. Absoluetly tragic

 

[matty007]

Where does it say that the person arrested was a hunt monitor?

 

[combat_claire]

From Sky News:

Police arrested two people, said to be hunt saboteurs, after the incident, which happened around 3pm yesterday.

 

[Christmas Crumpet]

The people are well known sabs - the Warwickshire aren't the only hunt they have been following.

 

[matty007]

With all due respect, its not a very wise idea to walk down a runway.

Im sure more news will be released soon and it will become clearer.

 

[majicmoment]

It was not a runway - it is a disused airfield. With all due respect, MMIB, saying someone died becasue they shouldnt have been somewhere is not very respectful, whatever your beleif.

Those arrested were said to be from POWA and have been confirmed to be known sabs who have been monitoring the hunt in recent weeks.

 

[Christmas Crumpet]

With all due respect, its also not a very wise idea to kill someone.

 

[matty007]

Dont talk to me about respect!!!!!!!!!.

I have had enough run-ins with the hunt faternity in the past. I think YOUR the ones that need to learn some respect!!!!!!!.

Its sad when any life is lost whether it be a human or a fox (although Im sure you will disagree on that!).

I dont often post on here any more as I find the company somewhat boring!.

Ill be off now.

x

 

[PaddyMonty]

It was not a runway - it is a disused airfield.

Incorrect.....
Long Marston airfield was an RAF base between 1941 and 1954. It is now home to the Avon Microlight club, Freedom Sports Aviation.

It is therefore an Active airfield as defined by the Air Navigation Order.

Until the investigation by police and AAIB are completed this should be viewed as a tragic accident whatever the persuasions of the parties involved and should remain so until the findings are published.

 

[Marcovaldo]

"Dont talk to me about respect!"

With all due respect (which in your case is none)

One of the things that gets you respect is not acting like a childish hypocrite.

 

[matty007]

"One of the things that gets you respect is not acting like a childish hypocrite."

Im not sure I have!. Could you please point out where?.

 

[Marcovaldo]

Well you clearly have little respect for people on here do you?

 

[matty007]

Anyhow, I cant sit chatting on here all day

Lets hope that the truth comes out of this and people are dealt with accordingly!.

 

[magicgirl]

A policeman friend told me that to arrest someone on suspicion of murder rather than "helping with police enquires" means that they must have good reason to suspect murder rather than an accident.

 

[matty007]

I apologise Marco. Believe it or not I do have respect for everyone.

It just people seem to jump to conclusions all of the time. I dont think anyone knows the ins and outs of this story yet.

Im also sorry for hijacking a sensitive thread like this. What happened is obviously not very nice and a little more sensitivity from myself would have been a little more apropriate.

 

[Marcovaldo]

I agree monkeymajic I was merely trying to point out that these people enforcing the law was not a very good idea. I am sure this would not have happened with a police helicopter.

 

[the watcher]

A policeman friend told me that to arrest someone on suspicion of murder rather than "helping with police enquires" means that they must have good reason to suspect murder rather than an accident.

Bit of a misconception these days. The objective is to preserve evidence and you can justify an arrest on fairly flimsy grounds if the event was serious or resulted in a death. The clue will be in how quickly anybody detained is released on bail - or not.

 

[Christmas Crumpet]

At this precise moment YOU are the ones who need to learn respect. After all it is not a member of the hunting "fraternity", as you put it, who is in police custody after killing someone.

I'm sure you have had run-in's with hunting people but if you lot will insist on interfering it is bound to happen.