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rachaelstar said:
Actually ps I will now prove you wrong. He is bred by a very reputable breeder and was bought by original owners for £850. He is fully health checked, as are his parents and all papers and kc registered. I will quite happily scan in appropriate documents to show you. He was for sale as a just turned 1yo for £450 but had any numpties offer to buy him that lived in high rise flats etc and thought a chihuahua would be a suitable dog as they 'dont need walking.' I came along and offered a fantastic home, full run of farm, actually get treated like a dog etc but because he is not neutered and to get this done and to buy him would of been more than my budget we agreed on a price after I took him to the vets to get him checked and bought him. Sorry to be so abrupt but sometimes a good home is priority for a designer dog rather than the money!

The reason he is vicious (by this I mean will growl but has not bitten) is because in his old home he constantly got terrorised by a 6 year old kid. They're not children's dogs.

Thankyou.
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TBH I think you have proved me RIGHT - He was NOT available as a puppy for less than £250. He was brought as a puppy for £850 and the breeder can't have been that reputable as a)Sold to people who were happy to let their 6yo child terrorise it (your own words) and b)Didn't offer to have the puppy back (but then perhaps the owners didn't contact the breeder before hawking it to all comers).

Glad he now appears to have found a home where he is valued.
 
After speaking to the breeders the previous owners weren't honest with them which is why they were sold the dog thinking it was a a good home. That's all in the past now. He is my little dog, a FULL bred chi and I love him and he gets very well looked after. I bought him for £250 - so what?! Doesn't make him any more worthless than the £1500 chis?
 
rachaelstar said:
After speaking to the breeders the previous owners weren't honest with them which is why they were sold the dog thinking it was a a good home. That's all in the past now. He is my little dog, a FULL bred chi and I love him and he gets very well looked after. I bought him for £250 - so what?! Doesn't make him any more worthless than the £1500 chis?
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Where did I say it did? Are you having a bad day?

What is for debate here is the Ad. posted by the OP.

I think all your posts have done is add more weight to the argument that the Ad is not the way to go to get a well bred and health checked PUPPY Chi and it is a puppy they are after (not one that has been ruined and off loaded in less than a year).
 
Sorry, that wasn't targeted at you, too the previous comments. He hasn't been offloaded or ruined he is such a sweetie, just hasn't been well socialised etc. Just
A bit upsetting that someone has said he is a poor bred chi and doesnt look like one. No one wants that said about their beloved animal especially when he is well bred, kc registered as are his parents. He is a pet, not to breed from, not to show so £250 seems quite reasonable even if he is a designer dog! :)
 
rachaelstar said:
Sorry, that wasn't targeted at you, too the previous comments. He hasn't been offloaded or ruined he is such a sweetie, just hasn't been well socialised etc. Just
A bit upsetting that someone has said he is a poor bred chi and doesnt look like one. No one wants that said about their beloved animal especially when he is well bred, kc registered as are his parents. He is a pet, not to breed from, not to show so £250 seems quite reasonable even if he is a designer dog! :)
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offloaded = I meant had to be rehomed.

ruined = I meant made growly by irritating child.

Have not seen his pic and even if I did it wouldn't tell me if he were well bred or not as I have no idea what they 'should' look like. All dogs are beautiful in my eyes (even the ugly ones :p ).
 
Stencilface said:
Go and cheer yourself up with an early xmas 'present' from the local rescue :)
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I think I will, my friend fosters for a local rescue and has a perfect sounding dog, english pointer used to cats and children. Just got to check with the landlord (my dad! My old dog was our family dog who I took with me) and think I'll arrange to meet her. :)
 
rachaelstar said:
The reputable breeder didn't know they were selling him. I had to get in contact with his breeders to have his microchip changed as previous owners didn't change it. They were very annoyed as the previous owners signed a contract to say they would let breeders know if selling.

S4sugar? Do you know the standards of a well bred chi. Big google eyes that stick out miles, stuffed noses and rounded ears are actually not to the breeds standard.

I'm actually quite offended by that statement. He is ALL chi. Papers to prove and is a well bred one.

I had to beg and barter to get him as cheap as I did but the owners wanted him to go to a nice home where he will be treated like a 'dog.'
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Actually I owned Chis for 30 years -my last one had a reserve cc and was too small to breed from which is why her breeder let me have her as a pet. She lived to almost 18 years.
Well bred ones don't have "Big google eyes that stick out miles, stuffed noses and rounded ears" neither do they look more like a min pin than a chi should. Look at UnaB's pics -she has some quality chis.
How do you know your boy is "well bred"? Do his parents have stud book numbers?
BTW what were the health tests? Chis don't have any listed except for patella luxation.
 
S4sugar - does it really have an impact on your life whether or not the Chi in question is Crufts material? If you have been breeding them for 30 years, surely you should just be happy that this one in particular has clearly found a lovely home?
 
I am afraid it's the breeders who should be targeted not particularly the people who want a dog. Clearly the person in who is advertising has no idea about dogs but also a lot of breeders have no idea about what they are breeding. Next door neighbours dog may be KC registered but it wouldn't be going near my dog as its not the correct type, etc etc. saw some Dalmatians for sale a while ago KC registered but very bad examples of the breed which is not meant to have splodges all over but meant to have separate spots, their parents were the same, any old rubbish onto any old rubbish. If you were breeding the best examples of the dogs it would cut the dog breeding market down by 90 percent.

It's money making but the money isn't there at the moment and a woman at work is nearly giving away the cocker spaniel pups she has. All boys and nobody wants them as there is no money about. If your paying out a lot for a pup get it vet checked yourself, dont think that breeders have done it just because they say they have. All dog sales should be subject to vetting as they cost more than horses now.
 
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FreddiesGal said:
S4sugar - does it really have an impact on your life whether or not the Chi in question is Crufts material? If you have been breeding them for 30 years, surely you should just be happy that this one in particular has clearly found a lovely home?
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Actually it does matter because the owner is claiming her dog is well bred when he is clearly pet quality - and may make her a lovely pet once she has put in the work that the previous owners neglected to do.
She also seems to not understand what a breed standard is about. You don't get all show prospects in a litter but rarely do you get pups so far from desired type if you are breeding from dogs close to the standard.
Recently someone came on here who had been "sold a pup" -a smooth coat chi that could not have been from the long coated parents she was shown. Cute puppy but hopefully someone else can learn from this and not make the same mistake.

I have never bred a chi litter - both of mine came from a breeder who gave CCs and I got them as adults: one had a C section at her first, & only, litter and came home with me after a committee meeting at the breeders house a year later. The second I helped deliver as the breeders husband was rushed to hospital the day the pups were due so I stayed with the bitch until she got home and two of the three pups were already born. Jodie only made 3lbs and came to me at eighteen months when it was apparent she preferred climbing on knees to being in the show ring.
Of course these days a dog that spent more time on two legs than four would probably be a celebrity.

Still waiting on the health tests?
 
S4sugar you still have not said just why it means so much that the Chi is question is quality or not. And I definitely fail to see how or why a dog not being up to standard would have any impact on your life in the slightest.
 
FreddiesGal said:
S4sugar - does it really have an impact on your life whether or not the Chi in question is Crufts material? If you have been breeding them for 30 years, surely you should just be happy that this one in particular has clearly found a lovely home?
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This ^^^

s4sugar said:
Actually it does matter because the owner is claiming her dog is well bred when he is clearly pet quality - and may make her a lovely pet once she has put in the work that the previous owners neglected to do.

Still waiting on the health tests?
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The owner has already said that the dog is not going to be bred from so I don't know why you're still crying about it being pet quality. Who gives a ****? Obviously with this pathetic excuse for a dog not being bred from it can't ruin the breed anymore. No need to cancel Christmas everyone. The Chihuahuas are safe from rachaelstars' pet quality filth. I don't know why you don't breed them yourself. You'd obviously have the finest chis on the planet. How does it affect your life? That's right, it doesn't. I don't know why you're continuing to bait the owner. Just seems a bit pointless seeing as the thread is about a preloved ad, and is not "Let's all slate rachaelstar's crappy excuse for a dog. She's obviously the worst owner on the planet"

rachaelstar said:
He is a pet, not to breed from, not to show so £250 seems quite reasonable even if he is a designer dog! :)
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Just love your dog, he obviously brings you a lot of happiness :)

FreddiesGal said:
S4sugar you still have not said just why it means so much that the Chi is question is quality or not. And I definitely fail to see how or why a dog not being up to standard would have any impact on your life in the slightest.
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FreddieGal 100% agree.
 
FreddiesGal said:
S4sugar you still have not said just why it means so much that the Chi is question is quality or not. And I definitely fail to see how or why a dog not being up to standard would have any impact on your life in the slightest.
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It makes a different if anyone thinking of buying a puppy googles well bred chihuahua and photos of pets come up. It also matters when people don't understand the breed standards and spout off rubbish to justify her chi being the opposite of the faults she lists.
If people breed they should breed for quality. Too many poor quality animals are bred from, across all species, and purchasers need to know the difference.

Unfortunately a lot of people get misinformed, often by people selling or by people who don't think it matters because it has not impact on their lives and if my posting makes one less crap litter be bred or person get "sold a pup"then that makes me happy.

Back to the OP - this advert illustrates the sort of misguided thinking that leads to many dogs being dumped (as in passed on, not thrown out on the street) She will find a dog for her kids, possibly not a chi unless one has been nicked recently but most likely a cutesy cross, and it will be up for a new home before long.
 
So hold on a moment.. OP buys Chi, gives him a loving home and clearly lives him to bits. OP very clearly states that the dog is a PET, NOT to breed from, and then you chip in and slate the dog and insult the OP by calling her dog ugly. How, in any way, shape or form, is or has the OP "created a mess"? Maybe it's a good thing you work with dogs S4S, as it appears your people skills are greatly lacking.
 
Where did I call any dog ugly!

FreddiesGal - what does it matter to you? You obviously have no interest in the welfare of any dogs but are offended for another person who you think I have insulted ? Where exactly?*

Maybe you should learn to read before posting?

OP is about an advert on Preloved which is sign of the mess dogs are in.

The recently adopted pet is not well bred but his owner has made erroneous statements (& I'm still waiting on the claimed health tests?).
 
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HeatherAnn said:
Would a breeder take a dog back if the person had already found a buyer?
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The breeder should have been contacted 1st and foremost.
Our rescues go with similar contracts and if we got a call to ask could we change a chip as the dog was now i another home (we would take legal action) against the 1st home and we would refuse to change the chip (because they are non transferable):p and although we would not demand the dog back (as not the the persons fault if they where not informed but we would request to carry out a home check for the home the dog was passed to (we would not charge a donation though).
The breeder sounds like a numpty anyway by the way the chi buyer describes the seller.
 
s4sugar said:
It makes a different if anyone thinking of buying a puppy googles well bred chihuahua and photos of pets come up. It also matters when people don't understand the breed standards and spout off rubbish to justify her chi being the opposite of the faults she lists.
If people breed they should breed for quality. Too many poor quality animals are bred from, across all species, and purchasers need to know the difference.

Unfortunately a lot of people get misinformed, often by people selling or by people who don't think it matters because it has not impact on their lives and if my posting makes one less crap litter be bred or person get "sold a pup"then that makes me happy.
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Totally agree any old rubbish will do. Cant understand why buyers dont look into the breed standards and get some experience with them. I bought books to find out about my breed, 10 years ago.
 
FreddiesGal said:
"You don't get all show prospects in a litter but rarely do you get pups so far from desired type (...)"
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Do you know what that means?

It means it is a cute little dog that doesn't look much like a chihuahua - just like lots of other little dogs.

The difference between a show prospect and a pet from a good litter would often not be seen by the uninitiated - it may even just be size or in some breeds a white toe, it may be an umbilical hernia, it may even be a dentition fault which a pet owner would not notice or it may be a disqualifying colour as in white GSD.
 
The OP (as in the numpty posting for a living dog toy for her kids for xmas) will probably encourage those with chis that have health issues or that have not sold and just need shot of for cut price (esp if it's a puppy she wants) and on that budget she will get a badly bred pup and it will leave some change for a x box for when the pup becomes tiresome and boring and they realise it passes urine and faeces:rolleyes:.

Any breeder worth their salt would not part with a pup to such an advert and esp at Xmas and for a present.

AND indeed as suggested I can think of 100 more breeds more suited as a childs pet.

I also think s4sugar has a right to input and further educate people.
 
Blimey!

My CHIHUAHUA who is a full bred, with kc registered parents is my PET. I do not intend to breed from him or show him. He is getting nuetered on monday. He is a HEALTHY dog, having under gone a full health check just before I bought him with a vet of my choice. He has good eyes, good ears, good teeth, good heart, good lungs, good breathing, no patella luxation, and no other health defects that many other chihuahuas have. I do not care whether he has a 'deer head' instead of an 'apple head' or what colour he is or whether he has 6 eyes or 10 ears, he is my PET, and a very much loved animal. He is well bred due to the fact he has no health issues like many other 'well bred show quality' chihuahuas have that struggle to breath or get bad eyes because they have been bred that way.

Once again I am NOT breeding from my dog so do not worry sugar the chihuahua world is safe for now and will not be infested with my ugly, riddled with diseases, poor quality chihuahua :D

I also would not care if my chihuahua or any of his relations were kc registered or not because I dont particulary like the kc as theyre the ones that promote bad breeding in the first place.

If you look years back when the chihuahua first came around, they actually look A LOT like my chihuahua, but over the years they have become google eyed, stumpy nosed, un able to breath properly, and suffer many joint problems due to breeding.

and just because I love him :D
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(please excuse collar, pic was from when I first bought him)
 
well I looked at the advert. I know nothing about Chi's but saw the photo of the stafford (did anyone else see the dreadful spelling?) oh.. and inferred dogs were KC registered. Well the puppy they showed was quite clearly nowhere NEAR breed standard and the breeder would have had to have been bred from a lot of poor quality dogs to look like that.

I have one of those poorly bred out staffie x dogs. I love her to bits but do not delude myself she is a good example of the breed. She was a rescue as are the other 2. I was her 3rd home (4 if you include her marvellous breeder) in a YEAR.
 
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