Pressure halter for the really ignorant

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FfionWinnie

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It's the horse that's ignorant not me. I can use a pressure halter. I've just bought a 6 yr old Welsh D that's been bogging off in hand for about 5.5yrs. It's engrained and she is a complete pig. She actually got away from me leading her off the bit this afternoon.

Ideally I want something that puts pressure over the nose and releases nicely when she is behaving. I've tried her her with a knotted one, a cow one and a be nice one and it might as well be cotton wool. I don't want to use a chifney.

I'm not looking for a lecture about the rights and wrongs of pressure halters :)

This is kind of what I want but the rope is too thick really, any ideas or suggestions where I could get one made?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/121329138881?nav=SEARCH&varId=420279087440
 
Make one yourself from towing rope and the beauty of that is you can make the lead rope of it as long as you like?

I'd also look at using a chain over her nose and looped through the headcollar side rings as it only comes into play when you need it and releases quickly too; you'll get more leverage from that if the headcollar is a bit further down the nose too. Eskradon also make a headcollar with it included.
 
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Maesfen said:
Make one yourself from towing rope and the beauty of that is you can make the lead rope of it as long as you like?

I'd also look at using a chain over her nose and looped through the headcollar side rings as it only comes into play when you need it and releases quickly too; you'll get more leverage from that if the headcollar is a bit further down the nose too. Eskradon also make a headcollar with it included.
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Wondered if I could make one but I'm not sure I can lol. Will look at the esky head collar thanks for that.
 
Britestar said:
I 2nd using a stallion chain around the nose. Its the only thing I can lead my big lad with and have any respect from him.
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Her previous owner but one did this. I've ordered one. I'd rather she learnt not to tho. I need that meanwhile tho she really is an ignorant pig of a horse!
 
FfionWinnie said:
Her previous owner but one did this. I've ordered one. I'd rather she learnt not to tho. I need that meanwhile tho she really is an ignorant pig of a horse!
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It's no different to using a so called pressure halter and is probably better as the chain slips far easier than rope does or so I've found and I've also found that they respect it far more and less likely to bog off with it.
 
Maesfen said:
It's no different to using a so called pressure halter and is probably better as the chain slips far easier than rope does or so I've found and I've also found that they respect it far more and less likely to bog off with it.
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But she was led like that for 4 years yet isn't trained. I use pressure halters on all new horses for a time, but very quickly they behave impeccably on a plain head collar.

Of course it could be the training not the implement used but I feel if I get a thin pressure halter I will get through her thick head. She's dangerous at the moment.
 
Another vote for stallion chain. The release on them is very quick. Would always be my first go to for the ignoramus equids
 
FfionWinnie said:
But she was led like that for 4 years yet isn't trained. I use pressure halters on all new horses for a time, but very quickly they behave impeccably on a plain head collar.

Of course it could be the training not the implement used but I feel if I get a thin pressure halter I will get through her thick head. She's dangerous at the moment.
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It could also have been the fitting not just the ineptness of the handler though a lousy weak handler never helps. For a really stroppy cow it needs to be lower than a normal noseband and the headcollar needs to fit snugly not be able to slide all over the place.
 
Maesfen said:
It could also have been the fitting not just the ineptness of the handler though a lousy weak handler never helps. For a really stroppy cow it needs to be lower than a normal noseband and the headcollar needs to fit snugly not be able to slide all over the place.
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Yes I've had a rope wrapped round her nose like that and that has (so far) worked. Eskadron headcollar looks a good idea but the chain is above the noseband and she would laugh in the face of that!

Does a stallion chain have some way of clipping onto the noseband so it can't drop off?
 
Yes, they have a clip which you clip onto the off side ring, thread it over the noseband and out through the near side ring or you can take it further to the ring at the back providing it isn't one of those that slides from side to side. You can also buy just the chain to use with your own lead rope.
https://www.gibsonsaddlers.com/category/horses/head-collars/leads/
https://www.gibsonsaddlers.com/category/horses/accessories/brass-chains/

This is the type I prefer with this sort of clip, it seems much stronger than the other clips. http://www.rideaway.co.uk/jeffries-brass-chain
 
ester said:
Ermm new horse, no pics? :eek3:
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After the last one nearly killed me and had to be taken back I was waiting to see what happened with this one before I posted about her. It's a blooming great story tho, cannot believe what has occurred for her to end up here. And she's a palo (and huge and ignorant!)
 
Maesfen said:
Yes, they have a clip which you clip onto the off side ring, thread it over the noseband and out through the near side ring or you can take it further to the ring at the back providing it isn't one of those that slides from side to side. You can also buy just the chain to use with your own lead rope.
https://www.gibsonsaddlers.com/category/horses/head-collars/leads/
https://www.gibsonsaddlers.com/category/horses/accessories/brass-chains/

This is the type I prefer with this sort of clip, it seems much stronger than the other clips. http://www.rideaway.co.uk/jeffries-brass-chain
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Thanks. Earlier I ordered a synthetic one with a chain for a fiver. See how that does...
 
FfionWinnie said:
After the last one nearly killed me and had to be taken back
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Not your lovely coloured?!?

I'd use a chain over the nose and attach it to a lunge line/very long rope so that if she does go to bog off you have more of a chance of correcting it.
 
3Beasties said:
Not your lovely coloured?!?

I'd use a chain over the nose and attach it to a lunge line/very long rope so that if she does go to bog off you have more of a chance of correcting it.
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No no no she's perfect and here for life. I bought a buckskin welsh D about a month ago and it tried to murder me. Now I've bought a pig headed palo welsh D which is nonreturnable :D

Will try that. She's made a fool of me every day this week!
 
I find that putting the chain under the chin is more effective with horses that try to bog off and plough you into the ground. Coupled with really drilling the 'stand' voice aid into the horse (somehow this works better than training 'steady' to start with) and then just train, train, train until they are so sick of groundwork that bogging off just doesn't seem fun anymore.
 
Mine is better with pressure under her chin. If I'm caught out and put the rope over her nose; il hVe hell to play & as she panics. I tend to lead in a bridle now with a lunge line. She's happy as I'm not nagging her; I'm happy
 
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