Pro hunting lobby spending spree

criso said:
The current situation makes it difficult to reach the evidence needed for proof. One judge commented along those lines and acquitted someone who he believed was guilty but the act was flawed.

If it was illegal to use animal scents then any hunt found to have used it could be prosecuted without the ambiguity of whether hounds were deliberately or accidentally following a fox. If the hounds were trained to follow an artificial scent like drag hounds are then genuine accidents would be less likely which surely everyone wants to avoid.
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I don't know enough about foxhounds to comment really, but I should think they would still be liable to go after a fox even if trained on another scent. I certainly think there would be enough of a question mark about it for the ambiguity to still largely be present. It would probably depend on how the trail was laid - drag hunts follow very distinct lines rather than the winding around type trails that the trail hunts use, where the grey area of, um, misadventure, is far more likely.
 
DabDab said:
I don't know enough about foxhounds to comment really, but I should think they would still be liable to go after a fox even if trained on another scent. I certainly think there would be enough of a question mark about it for the ambiguity to still largely be present. It would probably depend on how the trail was laid - drag hunts follow very distinct lines rather than the winding around type trails that the trail hunts use, where the grey area of, um, misadventure, is far more likely.
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So it might not help with accidents but if a hunt has laid a fox scent illegally then there would be no ambiguity.
 
I'm Dun said:
I really hope if hunts clean up their act and behave that the rent a mob sabs can then be dealt with. They dont bother bloodhound packs or similar, they dont seem to bother hunts that arent hunting foxes, so it should then just stop.
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They very rarely bother foot hunts which suggests to me that either a) they are basically lazy and are put off by the country foot hunts cover or b) it's the horses they object to.
 
I have no skin in the game because I dont hunt - but I do live near the kennels of one of the hunts & the hounds are happy and well cared for. Until my yard road became a rat run it was used as an exercise route and all hounds were in good condition.

It also impressed me how the kennel team had such good control on exercise.

Yes they see vets if needed. Yes they are euthanised if they can't hunt and can't be rehomed. Some go back to their puppy walkers on retirement. I have no issue with that.

It is a kennel set up obviously but then so is the set up of a friend who is a professional breeder with all the relevant council checks. Her ex breeding dogs rarely get rehomed to families either because they miss their pack - it's why she has an absurd number of retirees!
 
meleeka said:
Someone I know with working dogs once said to me, with a straight face "we don't believe in vets". I'd guess hounds don't get treatment for anything either.
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I don’t think you can extrapolate from speaking to one owner of working dogs to then judging that every single hound pack in the country has the same approach! Like everything there is going to be a range of good and bad in the sector.
 
I thought all canines legally had to be microchipped? Can't remember who said about the knock on effect of banning hunting on other related industries, but my vet, physio and farrier all say hunters are "turned away to come right", not vaccinated if thats their only job, and apparently once they have their shoes off, they self trim til August - I'm guessing the lack of Trail hunt customers will have a negligible impact. ( I also accept that there are people who hunt and have their horses vaccinated/ treated by vet, etc. I'm merely reporting what I've been told). I do think that if there is evidence of illegal activity, then everyone participating in the hunt should be charged with breaking the law - because they are. Bottom line is, it's not ok to break the law ( any law) simply because you personally don't agree with it.
 
moosea said:
ETA: Sorry, I'm not very good at the quote thing, so had to reply in each quote box, and did split one of Palo1 coments but can't unsplit it! Sorry!
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Can’t reply to your comment directly due to how you formatted it, but I’m sure rat catchers would complain about a lack of rats if it put them out of a job 😂😂😂
 
Pearlsacarolsinger said:
I take it you haven't been to a FH kennels then? I have certainly seen similar arrangements in FH, Harrier and Beagle kennels. What do you think the arrangements are?
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I said I wouldnt reply to this thread as I have a lot going on personally and its not doing me any good. Hunting is something I feel very strongly about and the law breaking and cruelty makes me very angry and sad.
I need to step away from this thread for my own sanity as due to personal issues recently its not doing my mental health any good.

Just to answer a few questions that have been asked of me before I leave the thread.

Yes, I have visited a Fox hunt kennels. I have a relative who was a hunt groom and I have also been to hunt open days.
This was many years ago and things may have changed but the local pack is still in the same place so doubt the kennels have changed much.

I was not impressed by the living conditions. Very basic, Hounds housed in old brick kennels with concrete floors and raised benches for sleeping. Some wood shavings but not loads. Runs attached to the kennels, lots of bare concrete, Hounds that I saw had scars which I can only assume were from fighting. They were in groups according to sex from what I remember.

Were their basic needs covered? Yes they had shelter and food and water as well as company.
The smell was very strong both from the hounds themselves and the environment.

I many many years ago hunted pre ban. It was not for me.
I live in the countryside and have done all my life. I have horses and have done since a child. I ride, own dogs and work with dogs and have for many years.

The Horse and hound quote? Look on the Hunting is in a bit of trouble thread. There are a few posts on there about the quote being removed from the cover. I do not read the magazine myself, so can not say if it was removed for any particular reason or if its back.

I have been a member here for a long time and think you will find that a lot of members here are anti hunting. The magazine itself may be pro hunting but I feel that the on line forum is quite far removed from it these days.

As for people not agreeing with me? I think that cuts both ways really. You will see many of my posts on the subject have a lot of likes and people do agree with me. I personally use the forum for its horse info etc. I would say I use it in spite of the history of the magazine and not because of it.

In my book if you participate in a illegal activity it does make you a criminal. If a trail hunt goes out with the intent of hunting foxes and you go along knowing that, you are participating in a illegal activity.
One member here accused me of getting her suspended!! I feel she did that herself, its beyond my power to get people suspended I am afraid...
Yes I am strongly anti hunting and yes I will be glad if trail hunting is banned and in my view its long over due.
Thats all I can say and have only come back to answer questions.
I am out of this thread now.

I think I have answered the questions asked of me.
 
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