matthew
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What does being blooded actually envolve-i think i have a pretty good idea but can someone fill me in!
Probably a really stupid auestion but.....................
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avalcalab
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When the hounds kill a fox the huntsman wipes the animal's blood across the cheeks* of first-time hunters, normally children.
* on their face!
* on their face!
matthew
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Hmm yes as i thought- it a bit caveman isnt it?
flying_change
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I've always thought so.
RS
RS
avalcalab
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I personally think it is, yes, but the fox is dead so I suppose hunters can do what they want with its body. Pros claim blooding is no longer practised but it is.
Which pros here were blooded?
Which pros here were blooded?
Hercules
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Me.
Ereiam_jh
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I was bloodied on the rugby pitch with a face full of blood (and snot) from the smashed nose I had given to the opposing hooker.
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
k9h
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I've never been blooded & i am whipper-in for our local pack well not in the correct turn of blooded my horse caught me in the face on last legal day & the resulty is below 
Our Huntsman has never been blooded either. Just depends if you were there when they were doing it or not & down to your own preferance.
Our Huntsman has never been blooded either. Just depends if you were there when they were doing it or not & down to your own preferance.
avalcalab
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In the film Omen 3 the Devil goes foxhunting and at one stage turns the hounds on a "goody" who's following him. He then initiates a young foxhunter with the blood of the victim, thereby enlisting him as an evil disciple. It's a hilarious scene and shows how unbelievably silly the whole cult-like initiation ceremony of blooding is.
Ereiam_jh
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It seems to me that blooding is completely irrelevant to the issue of fox hunting.
Isn't the argument about cruelty not silliness or otherwise.
Isn't the argument about cruelty not silliness or otherwise.
avalcalab
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It isn't COMPLETELY irrelevant. The practice of blooding - which still takes place - gives an insight into the sort of people who enjoy hunting animals with hounds.
Ereiam_jh
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Sorry I don't get what your saying. Are you saying that we should make something illegal because of the 'sort of people' that do it?
That doesn't make sense to me. I thought it was meant to be about whether it is cruel or not, not what 'sort of people' do it.
It strikes me that if we made laws to stop people 'of a certain sort' from doing things then we're going down a very dodgy path.
Sorry I can't help it, woolly liberal that I am.
I enjoy hunting deer with my dogs, what 'sort of person' does that make me?
That doesn't make sense to me. I thought it was meant to be about whether it is cruel or not, not what 'sort of people' do it.
It strikes me that if we made laws to stop people 'of a certain sort' from doing things then we're going down a very dodgy path.
Sorry I can't help it, woolly liberal that I am.
I enjoy hunting deer with my dogs, what 'sort of person' does that make me?
avalcalab
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Who mentioned making blooding illegal? I certainly didn't. If Hercules gets a kick from having fox blood smeared over his boat - with the attendant risk of infection - I couldn't be less bothered. He, and indeed you, can go shove your heads in a vat of cow sh1t for all I care.
Ereiam_jh
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Who did? I don't know. I certainly didn't.
Are you having problems understanding what I am saying?
What has the 'sort of people' who hunt got to do with the rights and wrongs of hunting?
Are you having problems understanding what I am saying?
What has the 'sort of people' who hunt got to do with the rights and wrongs of hunting?
Ereiam_jh
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Has the 'sort of people' who play tiddly winks got anything to do with anything. What if only fascist dictators played it, would that be grounds to ban it?
avalcalab
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Go cover yourself with fox blood if you want. I don't care.
Ereiam_jh
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I would never dream of doing any such thing.
Are you unable to respond to any of my questions. Are they too difficult or challenging for you? Would you like me to phrase them more simply?
Are you unable to respond to any of my questions. Are they too difficult or challenging for you? Would you like me to phrase them more simply?
avalcalab
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You haven't understood. I dont want to ban blooding or tiddly winks. I think it's a strange thing to want to have fox blood daubed over your face, but if you want to do it - go ahead!
rosita
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I have been around hunting since tiny, but was never blooded and have never witnessed it, although have been there at the kill. Not something I would personally be interested in having done, you can not judge on a few preferences an entire way of life. Alot of people involved in hunting do not have the fluffy bunny veiw that dominates the of majority arguments against the practice of hunting with hounds.
Ereiam_jh
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As you know avalcalab I'm asking you what relevance it has what 'sort of person' hunts. It's amazing how many points you are simply incapable of responding to in any meaningfull fashion. Are you frightened of the argument?
Ereiam_jh
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A lot of antis are obsessed with blooding. To me the only important legal or ethical issue around hunting is cruelty. All of the rest is irrelevant. They bring it up for PR.
avalcalab
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I think it's obviously relevant. If people perform weird secretive initiation ceremonies during fox hunts it makes me more likely to view the fox hunt as a whole with some suspicion.
On a wider level, I think the "sort of people" who hunt is even more important. I dislike terrierwork, for example, partly because most (thankfully not all) terriermen are such deeply unpleasant, yobbish, racist, sexist, homophpbic, thick gibbons who get a genuine quasi-sexual delight from abusing animals. Some of these characters bait badgers and organise dog fights. Oh yes, I think the "sort of people" who hunt can be very relevant.
On a wider level, I think the "sort of people" who hunt is even more important. I dislike terrierwork, for example, partly because most (thankfully not all) terriermen are such deeply unpleasant, yobbish, racist, sexist, homophpbic, thick gibbons who get a genuine quasi-sexual delight from abusing animals. Some of these characters bait badgers and organise dog fights. Oh yes, I think the "sort of people" who hunt can be very relevant.
Ereiam_jh
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Relevant to what?
Whether it should be illegal or not?
Isn't what is relevant the question as to whether or not it is cruel?
Whether it should be illegal or not?
Isn't what is relevant the question as to whether or not it is cruel?
Ereiam_jh
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I'll tell you what I think. I have a big problem with the 'sort of people' who want to ban activities on the basis of what they feel are the 'sort of people' that carry them out. I think that these people are highly prejudiced and want to use the law for their own political ends.
I think that the law should target poeople's activities and not who the people are that carry them out. I think that those activities should be judged on their effects beneficial or otherwise not on the basis of the 'sort of people' that carry them out.
Do you disagree, or don't you want to say?
I think that the law should target poeople's activities and not who the people are that carry them out. I think that those activities should be judged on their effects beneficial or otherwise not on the basis of the 'sort of people' that carry them out.
Do you disagree, or don't you want to say?
Doreys_Mum
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I'm sorry, but I disagree that blooding reveals the true face of hunting.
I don't mind blooding. I like blooding in fact. to me, blooding is more than just phsycial blood on body, blooding is saying that the body and therefore spirit of the fox are sacred, which is why there is ceremony about the matter.
I would like to think that the cunning and wit of the fox has been passed onto many young hunters in this fashion, not too dis-similar to the native american practise of eating internet organs of buffalo raw so as to possese their strength.
And what of cultures who wear pelts or body parts to draw on the animals strength?
To me, blooding reveals the respect hunters have for the fox, that they would wish to take on his characteristics.
I'll agree it's a little 'caveman' though - but I'm pagan and have very 'caveman' views of the world.
I will always pay respects to any dead animal, I have buried every animal I have killed so far, and the one I didn't bury was eaten.
That, and being part of a rural family, I've never been screamish about blood. Try playing with a roadkill deer heart and not get some on you. Or try skinning a hare, gutting a pheasant.
Blood makes up the vast majority of our body, why's it suddenly so sickening on the outside?
I don't mind blooding. I like blooding in fact. to me, blooding is more than just phsycial blood on body, blooding is saying that the body and therefore spirit of the fox are sacred, which is why there is ceremony about the matter.
I would like to think that the cunning and wit of the fox has been passed onto many young hunters in this fashion, not too dis-similar to the native american practise of eating internet organs of buffalo raw so as to possese their strength.
And what of cultures who wear pelts or body parts to draw on the animals strength?
To me, blooding reveals the respect hunters have for the fox, that they would wish to take on his characteristics.
I'll agree it's a little 'caveman' though - but I'm pagan and have very 'caveman' views of the world.
I will always pay respects to any dead animal, I have buried every animal I have killed so far, and the one I didn't bury was eaten.
That, and being part of a rural family, I've never been screamish about blood. Try playing with a roadkill deer heart and not get some on you. Or try skinning a hare, gutting a pheasant.
Blood makes up the vast majority of our body, why's it suddenly so sickening on the outside?
Ereiam_jh
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Very interesting.
Could the distate for 'weird secretive initiation ceremonies' really be an inability to accept people with different cultures?
I'm all for diversity and tolerance.
Good on you for your paganism. No 'weird secretive initiation ceremonies' though, you might arouse suspicion!
Could the distate for 'weird secretive initiation ceremonies' really be an inability to accept people with different cultures?
I'm all for diversity and tolerance.
Good on you for your paganism. No 'weird secretive initiation ceremonies' though, you might arouse suspicion!
Doreys_Mum
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tbh, I'm still a touch concerned about 'fitting in' and all... I don't want to follow a set path, the word of god so to speak, it's not me!
For a start, I swear I contravene 90% of the old testament!
No, I just want to believe what I believe about the world and it's ways, and I happen to believe in the celtic gods and the earth mother more than one christian god.
But I don't want to be seen to get it wrong along the lines...
reguardless, pagan is still the closest religeon to me... so it's the umbrella I'll use.
And yes, I agree about the cultures. Funny how you'll see all sorts of people out hunting, and yet antis only see the one...
Fine, the white upper/middle classes aren't a different culture, but why can people not accept them? Especially as there are FAR more than just the white upper/middle classes who hunt!!!
I don't care what antis say, when one of their favourite words to use to describe hunters is "toffs" - you don't need to listen to their arguments, they resent the fact that the white upper/middle classes have money, end of.
And so what if they do. I'd rather spend my £15 on hunt subs than on a ticket to see a bunch of overpaid twats kick a ball around...
For a start, I swear I contravene 90% of the old testament!
No, I just want to believe what I believe about the world and it's ways, and I happen to believe in the celtic gods and the earth mother more than one christian god.
But I don't want to be seen to get it wrong along the lines...
reguardless, pagan is still the closest religeon to me... so it's the umbrella I'll use.
And yes, I agree about the cultures. Funny how you'll see all sorts of people out hunting, and yet antis only see the one...
Fine, the white upper/middle classes aren't a different culture, but why can people not accept them? Especially as there are FAR more than just the white upper/middle classes who hunt!!!
I don't care what antis say, when one of their favourite words to use to describe hunters is "toffs" - you don't need to listen to their arguments, they resent the fact that the white upper/middle classes have money, end of.
And so what if they do. I'd rather spend my £15 on hunt subs than on a ticket to see a bunch of overpaid twats kick a ball around...
Ereiam_jh
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A lot of the Anti propaganda just wants to pigeonhole people.
That's why whatshis/herface goes on about a certain 'sort of person'.
I wouldn't even class myself as a complete 'pro'. I just hate their prejudice. They pretend to be all about animal welfare but they aren't at all.
That's why whatshis/herface goes on about a certain 'sort of person'.
I wouldn't even class myself as a complete 'pro'. I just hate their prejudice. They pretend to be all about animal welfare but they aren't at all.
buckybee
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avalcalab - everyone is entitled to there opinion and I can understand why some people don't agree with hunting. However, it is extremely irritating when people talk complete b*****ks about things that are totally irrelevant!!
Does it really matter if hunts do carry out blooding or not?? It's not really something I've thought about very much but you obviously find it far more fascinating! Will you please inform me, if i've been blooded, what "type of person" does that make me?? Just curious!
Does it really matter if hunts do carry out blooding or not?? It's not really something I've thought about very much but you obviously find it far more fascinating! Will you please inform me, if i've been blooded, what "type of person" does that make me?? Just curious!
matthew
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hmm.. i am not an anti but all the hunts i have seen i hate to say are all very very posh ( and i am middle class white myself) i can understand why that is off putting to somepeople!i personally i wouldnt really fancy having blood smeared across my face but each to their own! i am not sure i agree that the hunt think of the fox as sacred though! other religions who view an animal as sacred will not kill or eat it!