Pictures Producing 5/6yr olds

Thought it was about time to move over from the 3-4 year old thread! I think this is a useful way of documenting progress.

A short summary: Bella is a rising 5 (in Feb) year old Warmblood mare (Belissimo M lines) who I bought as a 2 year old to bring on as my first breaker. I found her on FB after her owner posted pictures on wanted ads, she came from rural/regional NSW and grew up next to a Military Base. She was backed by myself Christmas 2020, just before her 3rd birthday. After that she did a lot of ad hoc poking around the property learning how to balance me in the saddle and about March 2021 had her first canter in a big paddock (the best feeling!). She has always been mature looking since I bought her, so was mindful to take her on slowly and not be tempted to do too much! She was super easy to do bring on and back, I think she had a really good early education which is really super helpful.

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(B as a 3 year old in 2021)

To balance the good with the bad for transparency, the only issue I have had with her were occasional outbursts of aggressive behaviour. This usually manifested when you confronted her from the front and/or waved your hands at her, or if you walked away from her with your back turned. Her instinct was immediately to fight and she would lunge at the perpetrator (and mean it!). I believe this (and my vet agrees) this stemmed from a lack of herd interaction as a young horse, indeed she was alone on a property (before me) for some length of time with a side of hormones thrown in. Since I have had her she has been out 24/7 with my alpha TB mare and Haflinger (Though she is the biggest, Bella is ranked last in this herd). My TB has been a star at disciplining her, there's no way I could have done that job myself. I was not so lucky twice, not serious injuries but it definitely hurt! She did and does not intimidate me, but I have learned to discipline her differently to how I would my other horses, and it has been months since this behaviour has appeared.

The last few months I have stepped up the travelling out for lessons, she has learned to load into the float (almost self loading, so close!). She is really great to take and ride anywhere, usually more interested in the yummy hay than anything else. In November I entered and rode in her first competitive dressage outing and she outdid herself, I rode focusing on relaxation and rhythm rather than "proper frame" (according to the comments, green prelim horses should be going around in a GP frame??? :rolleyes:) and she happily poked around concentrating on me. She's learning how to deal with a bit more pressure in our lessons, but gosh she feels great when she lets go in front. After a discussion with my coach, we will be casually aiming to train towards riding the FEI 5 year old test (not sure if I will enter her in one, I don't really like competing :p).

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I still need to get used to riding her WB movement, coming off my Haflinger it's a completely different ballgame! I am aiming to ride her more often now to get really riding fit. She spends her time off rolling in mud and standing around looking like a mule (because of her big adorable ears!).

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Well done if you have made it this far. I love reading this thread and the 4 year old thread and watching horses develop into reliable riding partners :D
 
She’s very smart @Northern. How big is she?

I’ve just moved over from the 3-4yo thread. My mares 5 in a few months. She had 2 months end of last year (Oct-Dec just gone) and she’s been back in work about 3 weeks now. ? She had her first front shoes on last week because she’s still a bit footy and hoof boots weren’t working.

We had our first group pole rally last weekend. Her first time boxing out in 3 months, to my surprised she walked herself into the trailer! Traveled like a pro, stood for me to get on but got a bit excited to start with 4 other horses in one space. We did have one small rear when the horses in front started to canter.

She was fab. Responsive, cantered as soon as I asked on the correct leg each time and felt powerful which is fab. Really lifted her hind legs over the poles. Jumped the canter poles about 4ft each time! ? She went in a lovely outline at times. The instructor last saw her mid summer last year and was surprised how much straighter and conditioned she looked.

Hoping to box out for a few hacks the next few weeks. I find I do less with a 4yo (we just hacked, had 1 lesson and did 1 dressage test last year) because I’m so wary of the age and them still developing.. 5-6yo is my favourite age because I feel more comfortable to give a little more work without being as worried. Although I’m aware they’re still growing.

Not sure if anyone else feels like that. I follow a girl with a youngster the same age. It did a couple of one day events, show jump competitions, lots of cross country and hunter trials. last year. No hate, but I just wouldn’t fee comfortable doing so much with a 4yo.

I feel maybe this year we’ll be ready to do a bit more. Heres hoping! ?
 
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Hi, I just found this thread. I bought my new pony, a Connie, in September at age 4 (she will be 5 in May) and we have been hacking and playing with groundwork techniques in the school. She is very much a baby still and weak but getting stronger so I want to take things slowly while building up strength and stamina. I have hundreds of ideas for her but have to pace myself :-) I look forward to hearing about all the other youngsters here.
 
Urgh. Horses.

Today it was my birthday, so decided to go in the school quick and have my partner video. She wasn’t happy on the right rein at all and bucked going into canter. Looking back at the videos she looks slightly short on her right hind when on the right rein. ? yet left rein she feels amazing, coming down to give a lovely outline.

Sent videos to my vet as he’s coming out soon to retake bloods and check liver is still improving. He agreed she looks lame RH on R rein and canter is very unhappy right rein, but totally different left rein.

Hopefully he’s going to travel to me this weekend. We did find out she has 2 chips on her R hock in November but no other issues/lameness then to show it’s causing a problem. She now has some fluid on that R hock too.. so maybe it’s related to the chips ?

Really hoping my 5yo isn’t already broken!
If so, that will be 5/5 horses I’ve owned in 15 years.
 
Urgh. Horses.

Today it was my birthday, so decided to go in the school quick and have my partner video. She wasn’t happy on the right rein at all and bucked going into canter. Looking back at the videos she looks slightly short on her right hind when on the right rein. ? yet left rein she feels amazing, coming down to give a lovely outline.

Sent videos to my vet as he’s coming out soon to retake bloods and check liver is still improving. He agreed she looks lame RH on R rein and canter is very unhappy right rein, but totally different left rein.

Hopefully he’s going to travel to me this weekend. We did find out she has 2 chips on her R hock in November but no other issues/lameness then to show it’s causing a problem. She now has some fluid on that R hock too.. so maybe it’s related to the chips ?

Really hoping my 5yo isn’t already broken!
If so, that will be 5/5 horses I’ve owned in 15 years.

I can't 'like' that! I hope she's ok and that the vet has a positive approach and prognosis for you.

Chilli's officially 6 now (and actually 6 in early March). He's had six weeks off, a bit longer than planned due to the big freeze last month but it won't have done any harm. I hopped on yesterday and we went for a solo hack around the village in howling wind and heavy rain and he was perfect - it's so lovely having a horse that doesn't get fresh and silly!

Plans now are to re-build his fitness, which shouldn't take long as he's out 16+ hours a day in a 15 acre hillside field, then work towards our first 'proper' competitions this year, work on our jumping and do some longer hacks even if that means going solo. Our stretch target is affiliated medium this year, he has all the moves but will need a lot more strength and relaxation.
 
Well, Isaac is also now officially 6, and we've started the year with some gridwork training, a trip up to the new Howden Way academy training and his first BS show of the year.

The BS show was last weekend and he jumped a really lovely double clear in the British Novice - however, it was an A7 competition when you went back in to jump the jump off (rather than single phase), so I think he was a bit surprised to be going back in a THIRD time to jump in the Discovery. First time jumping a full Disco track and he had one tired pole (and one rider idiot error pole) but he actually jumped well and stayed nicely rideable. So quite a bit more of the SJ planned for the next 2 months prepping for the event season to start.

Stretch goal this year is to do some of the new eventing 1* (105) classes.View attachment 150123 (647)copy.jpg

*tried editing the post to get the picture to actually show in thread, but it won't. Anyway, here's the video too -
 
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Edward was 6 in Oct and he is a super boy, we were doing great up until Christmas, he was been out at comps scoring a reasonable 64.5 at prelim, doing lots of clinic and hacking out on our own. Then bam!!! Physio noted he was really sore over his SI but his hamstrings were fine and he was plaiting his RH. treated and gave me exercises (he is seen by her every 6/8 weeks) with instructions to send a trot up video in a couple of weeks. Did as instructed, still plaiting behind. So time for the vet.

Vet noted he was sound (he moved beautifully on the lunge) but yes very sore over SI. That was injected 3 days ago and he is on lunge long and low for five days then 5 days alternative walk/trot under saddle and lunge. Then poles, stretches physio etc.

What ever happens he is my sweet boy and if all we ever do is gentle hacking then I still have a winner.PXL_20230114_125811316.MP.jpg
 
Urgh. Horses.

Today it was my birthday, so decided to go in the school quick and have my partner video. She wasn’t happy on the right rein at all and bucked going into canter. Looking back at the videos she looks slightly short on her right hind when on the right rein. ? yet left rein she feels amazing, coming down to give a lovely outline.

Sent videos to my vet as he’s coming out soon to retake bloods and check liver is still improving. He agreed she looks lame RH on R rein and canter is very unhappy right rein, but totally different left rein.

Hopefully he’s going to travel to me this weekend. We did find out she has 2 chips on her R hock in November but no other issues/lameness then to show it’s causing a problem. She now has some fluid on that R hock too.. so maybe it’s related to the chips ?

Really hoping my 5yo isn’t already broken!
If so, that will be 5/5 horses I’ve owned in 15 years.

Eurghh what a nightmare- do you have any results back yet?
 
Well, Isaac is also now officially 6, and we've started the year with some gridwork training, a trip up to the new Howden Way academy training and his first BS show of the year.

The BS show was last weekend and he jumped a really lovely double clear in the British Novice - however, it was an A7 competition when you went back in to jump the jump off (rather than single phase), so I think he was a bit surprised to be going back in a THIRD time to jump in the Discovery. First time jumping a full Disco track and he had one tired pole (and one rider idiot error pole) but he actually jumped well and stayed nicely rideable. So quite a bit more of the SJ planned for the next 2 months prepping for the event season to start.

Stretch goal this year is to do some of the new eventing 1* (105) classes.View attachment 106245

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He's looking really confident and happy at that height, looks more than ready to go straight in at 1m ?
 
Edward was 6 in Oct and he is a super boy, we were doing great up until Christmas, he was been out at comps scoring a reasonable 64.5 at prelim, doing lots of clinic and hacking out on our own. Then bam!!! Physio noted he was really sore over his SI but his hamstrings were fine and he was plaiting his RH. treated and gave me exercises (he is seen by her every 6/8 weeks) with instructions to send a trot up video in a couple of weeks. Did as instructed, still plaiting behind. So time for the vet.

Vet noted he was sound (he moved beautifully on the lunge) but yes very sore over SI. That was injected 3 days ago and he is on lunge long and low for five days then 5 days alternative walk/trot under saddle and lunge. Then poles, stretches physio etc.

What ever happens he is my sweet boy and if all we ever do is gentle hacking then I still have a winner.View attachment 106265

He's a lovely type of a horse- how is he bred?
 
Sorry to hear about your problems HF and Ouch05 :( Chilli's been incredibly footy since the wet weather started, having always had great hooves, so I'm crossing everything that it's just environment. Our brilliant hoof guy is coming on Friday so hopefully he has some good ideas, I have no issues putting shoes on but feel that would just be masking an issue given how well he's managed without to date. I did think Chilli felt not quite himself- in the arena yesterday in walk, but asked for a trot and he went straight into a bold big trot with bags of enthusiasm so I think he was just half-asleep, but let's see. Fingers and toes crossed for all of us!!

RF - Isaac is looking amazing! You must be excited about the season :)
 
Nova is now officially 6 too- how on earth did that happen?!
He's back up and fully fit after his surgery (too fit probably, judging by his behavior out hacking recently o_O) but he is jumping better than ever before and he just makes me grin like an idiot everytime I ride him. He went to a lesson on Saturday and smashed some really tricky exercises. He is so easy to ride to a fence and he's always looking for his lines and up for a challenge- he's just like his mother was to ride, but with a bit more scope and power, which is exactly what I wanted

This is just the last 2 exercises as I didn’t have anyone with me but this is far more technical than anything he has done before and he just ate it up. Maybe we will go eventing this year….

 
Nova is now officially 6 too- how on earth did that happen?!
He's back up and fully fit after his surgery (too fit probably, judging by his behavior out hacking recently o_O) but he is jumping better than ever before and he just makes me grin like an idiot everytime I ride him. He went to a lesson on Saturday and smashed some really tricky exercises. He is so easy to ride to a fence and he's always looking for his lines and up for a challenge- he's just like his mother was to ride, but with a bit more scope and power, which is exactly what I wanted

This is just the last 2 exercises as I didn’t have anyone with me but this is far more technical than anything he has done before and he just ate it up. Maybe we will go eventing this year….

Wow TM, he looks fantastic! He has mega scope! How exciting. What op did he have, if you don't mind me asking?

Eurghh what a nightmare- do you have any results back yet?

The vet came out yesterday and watched me ride. He said on a small (15m) circle around him on the right rein, she was a touch lame/short on her RH. Yet the canter is ok, after cantering she trots a right circle sound on that inside hind. Almost like cantering frees it up. He said she has a nice uphill canter.

Sound after flexion and in a straight line, no pain in SI or back he could feel. Crosses over both hinds nicely. He looked at x-rays of her RH hock again (where the 2 chips are) and agreed to send to the surgeon, to ask his opinion if it could be worth operating to remove them. He thinks it might be worth removing them now, just in case they are causing a slight inflammation/niggly pain and why she isn't stepping through as much on that right hind.

It could be that, but he did say our surface is deep and it could be that she just finds it difficult. I mean she went lovely in the 40x60 we hired a week ago, wasn't short on that RH in any videos. Hes advised me to keep riding but not to ride on that surface, and to school in open spaces or hire somewhere which is pretty rubbish. The surface won't be fixed at ours, typical farmer owned (doesn't want to spend the money) and it just needs re surfacing.

So just waiting to hear back from the surgeon.
 
He's a lovely type of a horse- how is he bred?

Home breed by my old YO, Dexter 4th is the blood line but I don't know much else. She breed a whole herd of them they all looked identical and I was lucky enough to get a chance to buy Edward. It is great as I was there the day he was born and saw him grow up until I got him at 2.5 completely untouched.
 
Wow TM, he looks fantastic! He has mega scope! How exciting. What op did he have, if you don't mind me asking?



The vet came out yesterday and watched me ride. He said on a small (15m) circle around him on the right rein, she was a touch lame/short on her RH. Yet the canter is ok, after cantering she trots a right circle sound on that inside hind. Almost like cantering frees it up. He said she has a nice uphill canter.

Sound after flexion and in a straight line, no pain in SI or back he could feel. Crosses over both hinds nicely. He looked at x-rays of her RH hock again (where the 2 chips are) and agreed to send to the surgeon, to ask his opinion if it could be worth operating to remove them. He thinks it might be worth removing them now, just in case they are causing a slight inflammation/niggly pain and why she isn't stepping through as much on that right hind.

It could be that, but he did say our surface is deep and it could be that she just finds it difficult. I mean she went lovely in the 40x60 we hired a week ago, wasn't short on that RH in any videos. Hes advised me to keep riding but not to ride on that surface, and to school in open spaces or hire somewhere which is pretty rubbish. The surface won't be fixed at ours, typical farmer owned (doesn't want to spend the money) and it just needs re surfacing.

So just waiting to hear back from the surgeon.

Thanks- he's not got world beating scope but he has more than enough for my ambitions! He has a hind septic fetlock joint flushed after he sliced into it in the field. It has a good rate of return to full athletic function if caught early and with no soft tissue involvement so it shouldn’t ever trouble him again.

Yours sounds like one of those frustrating niggles- let’s hope for a nice simple outcome.
 
Well, Isaac is also now officially 6, and we've started the year with some gridwork training, a trip up to the new Howden Way academy training and his first BS show of the year.

The BS show was last weekend and he jumped a really lovely double clear in the British Novice - however, it was an A7 competition when you went back in to jump the jump off (rather than single phase), so I think he was a bit surprised to be going back in a THIRD time to jump in the Discovery. First time jumping a full Disco track and he had one tired pole (and one rider idiot error pole) but he actually jumped well and stayed nicely rideable. So quite a bit more of the SJ planned for the next 2 months prepping for the event season to start.

Stretch goal this year is to do some of the new eventing 1* (105) classes.View attachment 106245

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Can I jump in to use your lovely rounds as a learning opportunity and ask which pole you thought was error and which was tired? Watching with my inexperienced (idiot) eye, the first you seemed a little close and the second just seemed loose.
Signed, numpty who checked the horse's speed 2.5 strides before the (downed) jump yesterday.
 
Can I jump in to use your lovely rounds as a learning opportunity and ask which pole you thought was error and which was tired? Watching with my inexperienced (idiot) eye, the first you seemed a little close and the second just seemed loose.
Signed, numpty who checked the horse's speed 2.5 strides before the (downed) jump yesterday.

First pole was me coming around the corner (which was a fairly tight switchback) and going to my hand instead of going to my leg - I added a stride that wasn't really there, whilst using too much hand which tightens him over his back. So I buried him at the base of the jump with a tight and underpowered canter - not really a recipe for success!

2nd pole was him tiring - just didn't quite make as much shape through his back as he had been doing for most of the round.
 
First pole was me coming around the corner (which was a fairly tight switchback) and going to my hand instead of going to my leg - I added a stride that wasn't really there, whilst using too much hand which tightens him over his back. So I buried him at the base of the jump with a tight and underpowered canter - not really a recipe for success!

2nd pole was him tiring - just didn't quite make as much shape through his back as he had been doing for most of the round.
Thank you, that's really interesting. Both of you did a lovely job regardless of the two poles. I look forward to this year's event reports!
 
Me again! Isaac is now entered for his first BE event of the season at Epworth, and we had a successful first attempt at an Elementary dressage test (pic below) with 70% and some lovely comments from the judge. Just a little comp at our own yard, so not quite BD standard, but still pleased with his progress. Can't wait to crack on with the event season now!

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Looking fab RF!

Slow start to the year for Chilli and I. Hoof guy agreed that his hooves look fantastic so I got the vet out for x-rays. He also said the hoof balance is spot-on but there were some minor changes (small sidebones and dark spots on the off-fore navicular), but sound horses can have far worse so I opted for an MRI. Turns out he's got oedemas on both navicular bones but no soft tissue problems - having had a navicular horse before I know it's pretty unusual for it to be solely navicular bone problems so I'm waiting to discuss it with my vet. I do wonder if it's been caused by galloping around when his field was frozen solid.

He'll need some time off, which won't do him any harm. It's doing his rugs some harm though as he's bored - he's ripped two in 10 days! So I'll do some groundwork with him to keep his brain engaged.
 
Looking fab RF!

Slow start to the year for Chilli and I. Hoof guy agreed that his hooves look fantastic so I got the vet out for x-rays. He also said the hoof balance is spot-on but there were some minor changes (small sidebones and dark spots on the off-fore navicular), but sound horses can have far worse so I opted for an MRI. Turns out he's got oedemas on both navicular bones but no soft tissue problems - having had a navicular horse before I know it's pretty unusual for it to be solely navicular bone problems so I'm waiting to discuss it with my vet. I do wonder if it's been caused by galloping around when his field was frozen solid.

He'll need some time off, which won't do him any harm. It's doing his rugs some harm though as he's bored - he's ripped two in 10 days! So I'll do some groundwork with him to keep his brain engaged.

Oh I'm sorry to hear this - although of all the time of year to be giving time off, at least this is the best bit. Fingers crossed you are up and running again when the nice evenings are a thing again. And as a fellow rug-trashing owner, you have my sympathies there. Isaac doesn't damage rugs he's wearing, but anything left in reach of his stable gets pulled in and systematically destroyed overnight.
 
Oh I'm sorry to hear this - although of all the time of year to be giving time off, at least this is the best bit. Fingers crossed you are up and running again when the nice evenings are a thing again. And as a fellow rug-trashing owner, you have my sympathies there. Isaac doesn't damage rugs he's wearing, but anything left in reach of his stable gets pulled in and systematically destroyed overnight.

Thanks RF. There's a lot going on for me at work too so again, probably a good time not to be focusing on horse-related goals! And grrr re Isaac's rug trashing. I have now found a good local rug repair lady so silver linings and all that...
 
Looking fab RF!

Slow start to the year for Chilli and I. Hoof guy agreed that his hooves look fantastic so I got the vet out for x-rays. He also said the hoof balance is spot-on but there were some minor changes (small sidebones and dark spots on the off-fore navicular), but sound horses can have far worse so I opted for an MRI. Turns out he's got oedemas on both navicular bones but no soft tissue problems - having had a navicular horse before I know it's pretty unusual for it to be solely navicular bone problems so I'm waiting to discuss it with my vet. I do wonder if it's been caused by galloping around when his field was frozen solid.

He'll need some time off, which won't do him any harm. It's doing his rugs some harm though as he's bored - he's ripped two in 10 days! So I'll do some groundwork with him to keep his brain engaged.

Sorry to read this. Horses are so fragile for how big they are! Fingers crossed for a good recovery considering he’s young. 🤞 What made you get his feet x-rayed?
 
No update on my 5yo. Just that she’s having her bone chip on her right hock removed next week. Bit nervous about the surgery.

My vet advised me to keep light hacking until surgery, but she is riding so wonky. Literally wants to hold her head/neck to the left, she’s always done it slightly but not as much as recent. My physio thinks it’s so she can evade using her RH so I’ve decided to give her this week and next week off. I long lined her and she does the same without a rider.

I’m not riding her while she’s clearly uncomfortable. Really hope it improves after rehab and surgery. 😕
 
No update on my 5yo. Just that she’s having her bone chip on her right hock removed next week. Bit nervous about the surgery.

My vet advised me to keep light hacking until surgery, but she is riding so wonky. Literally wants to hold her head/neck to the left, she’s always done it slightly but not as much as recent. My physio thinks it’s so she can evade using her RH so I’ve decided to give her this week and next week off. I long lined her and she does the same without a rider.

I’m not riding her while she’s clearly uncomfortable. Really hope it improves after rehab and surgery. 😕

I think it's sensible to stay off her back. The vet said I could ride Chilli in walk on a surface while his oedemas heal, but I can't see the point in putting the extra pressure of my weight on them and I'm sure it's the same with your 5yo's hock.

Best of luck with the surgery next week, I'm sure she'll be fine and hopefully it resolves the issue. Keep us posted!
 
Sorry to read this. Horses are so fragile for how big they are! Fingers crossed for a good recovery considering he’s young. 🤞 What made you get his feet x-rayed?

He was very lame when he trod in a hard rut or on a camber. I thought he'd possible tweaked a collateral ligament as it seemed to be lateral movement of the hoof that did it, and x-rays were a good place to start to check his hoof balance. I'm not sure if the navicular oedemas are better or worse..! But at least we know what we're dealing with now.
 
Just an update! My mare had her hock surgery back in February. Turns out the chip had detached and floated into the mid/back of her hock joint. Ouch!

Surgeon said it would have been very painful so no wonder she was bucking and unhappy.. so glad I stuck to my guns of insisting something was wrong and going for surgery.

She’s been back in work 6 weeks now, we are cantering now. Not a single buck, much more powerful canter even on the right rein which was the bad rein. Tail is still held massively to the right when cantering right, vet doesn’t think this will ever go (can only try)

She’s feeling well, do get some problems when she’s in season so considering regumate.

How is everyone getting on? 😊
 
I took Poppy out yesterday for our first go at jumpcross. She’s done a 2 phase with a pro on board, but this was the our first outing around the fields! Had a green stop at the first (30mins standing about once we left warm up, and a short run in to the first, so I think it took her by surprise), and initially felt very green, but just kept improving as we went round. As ever, I’m just delighted with her, and can’t wait for our first 2 phase in a couple of weeks. I do need to get her more fit though, but with no off road hacking/ fields/gallops that’s proving tricky enough!
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