PTS on Behavioural Grounds?

unknownn said:
Thank you all for such kind replies - he will be put to sleep next week. We have invited his first owner who had him from a foal - 4 years to come and say goodbye if they wish.

Once again - I thank you all (bar one :) ) for not being judgemental about the situation and giving me that push I needed to actually do it. xx
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So brave a decision, well done OP - your little horse will thank you as well xx
 
Interested to see what the post-mortem says. I do hope for your and the other owners there is a huge "red flag"
 
So sad but a very brave decision. I have a field ornament, bought over 4 years ago and whilst a saint the majority of the time was just dangerous when she lost it - didn't care for herself, never mind me. We did every check you can imagine (nothing significant), she put me in A&E 3 times before I thought I'd finally got her sorted - combination of checking saddle every month, stripping sugar completely, upping her work (after re-backing her). I gave up when she had another episode, a mistake by me (she was unpredictable in her ability to forgive) on a hack led to me being dumped on the road. I broke my hip.

She is however a very good companion and despite my scars and broken bones I think the world of her - we have a good bond. I would never ride her or sell her. If I wasn't at home and it she wasn't doing a job I would Pts.

I hope you get some answers next week.
 
A sound business decision to cut losses on a lousy investment unlikely to make money.

Bought horse to make a quick buck; shooting it instead of engaging vet when it bucks.

Poor horse.

What a bunch of owners.
 
GirlFriday said:
A sound business decision to cut losses on a lousy investment unlikely to make money.

Bought horse to make a quick buck; shooting it instead of engaging vet when it bucks.

Poor horse.

What a bunch of owners.
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You are an unpleasant ****stirrer. I would place money on your not ever having had to deal with a horse like this; please do not comment on situations of which you have no useful experience.
 
GirlFriday said:
A sound business decision to cut losses on a lousy investment unlikely to make money.

Bought horse to make a quick buck; shooting it instead of engaging vet when it bucks.

Poor horse.

What a bunch of owners.
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Jeez I will no doubt get another infraction but what an unpleasant judgemental little cow you are! As Cortez has said, i can guarantee you have not had to deal with a horse like this - so rest assured, you know nothing and are NOT in a position to make ridiculous judgemental posts....
 
GirlFriday said:
A sound business decision to cut losses on a lousy investment unlikely to make money.
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Possible true, but not necessarily the only or even the primary motivation.

Bought horse to make a quick buck; shooting it instead of engaging vet when it bucks.

Poor horse.
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Not poor horse at all. It will be dead, and know nothing about it. It doesn't know that it might have lived longer. It will never be frightened, in pain, hungry or abused in any way in the future. There are more sound safe horses in the country than there are homes for. Putting this one down means another somewhere will live. And no more humans will be hurt. Win win.

What a bunch of owners.
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Absolutely! Every owner that passed on a difficult/dangerous horse for someone else to deal with/be hurt by. The last owner, on the other hand, has stepped up to the mark and written off her investment instead of selling on a horse who behaves well for weeks at a time, and is preventing any more people from being hurt by this horse.
 
ycbm said:
Possible true, but not necessarily the only or even the primary motivation.



Not poor horse at all. It will be dead, and know nothing about it. It doesn't know that it might have lived longer. It will never be frightened, in pain, hungry or abused in any way in the future. There are more sound safe horses in the country than there are homes for. Putting this one down means another somewhere will live. And no more humans will be hurt. Win win.



Absolutely! Every owner that passed on a difficult/dangerous horse for someone else to deal with/be hurt by. The last owner, on the other hand, has stepped up to the mark and written off her investment instead of selling on a horse who behaves well for weeks at a time, and is preventing any more people from being hurt by this horse.
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Said with FAR less (e.g. zero!) chance of infraction - this entirely!
 
Oh, come on. Investors in Chinese zoos get a heck of a time on here for trying to save money by feeding their donkeys to their tigers (allegedly) and investors in project ponies trying to save money (on investigations which may/may not lead to a saleable animal and/or keeping expensive field ornaments) need unconditional support from strangers?

We're an odd place at times :-)

Although, incidentally, I didn't actually make a judgement about anything other than it being a good business decision. Regarding the horse I just repeated information OP had given.

And FWIW I'm not sure what an infraction is and won't be complaining abt your post Levrier becasue I tend to think this forum is exactly the kind of place for ridiculous judgemental posts, including from you. OP has rl for better informed opinions (eg ppl who are qualified professionals and have actually seen the horse). OP sought more poorly informed ones on here, albeit being very clear (s)he would ignore what (s)he didn't want to hear.

Edited to add: this was in response to L's earlier post. Not the one directly above it. And yes, OP hasn't done anything worse than any of the other 9 owners who failed to get the horse fixed or retire it. Hence 'bunch of owners' and 'poor horse' for the last 4 years...
 
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GirlFriday said:
And FWIW I'm not sure what an infraction is and won't be complaining abt your post Levrier becasue I tend to think this forum is exactly the kind of place for ridiculous judgemental posts, including from you. OP has rl for better informed opinions (eg ppl who are qualified professionals and have actually seen the horse). OP sought more poorly informed ones on here, albeit being very clear (s)he would ignore what (s)he didn't want to hear.
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"there are none so deaf as those who do not want to hear....." - the irony is that you think this applies to others.....
 
GirlFriday said:
investors in project ponies trying to save money (on investigations which may/may not lead to a saleable animal and/or keeping expensive field ornaments) need unconditional support from strangers?
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Alas.. I am not an investor.. I bought this horse from someone I knew just as a project - I was not looking for a project, nor particularly want one. Even had I kept it - I would have never sold it once it had bolted with me - As stated in first post what if it happened to the next person? I could not love with myself. I have already stated that due to certain aspects of pony he would attract children/teenagers.

OP has rl for better informed opinions (eg ppl who are qualified professionals and have actually seen the horse). OP sought more poorly informed ones on here
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And I have sought people's opinion from outside.. not sure why you think I haven't just because I haven't specifically mentioned it. As I said in my original post - had you read it, I had been getting mixed opinions.

albeit being very clear (s)he would ignore what (s)he didn't want to hear.
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Please feel free to show me the money to get this horse checked for everything by vets - it's not insured either. And then pay for it to be a companion because I still won't get back on it. :)
 
GirlFriday said:
Oh, come on. Investors in Chinese zoos get a heck of a time on here for trying to save money by feeding their donkeys to their tigers (allegedly) and investors in project ponies trying to save money (on investigations which may/may not lead to a saleable animal and/or keeping expensive field ornaments) need unconditional support from strangers?
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You... uh... are you really comparing feeding live donkeys to tigers to a sensible and humane dispatch of a longtime dangerous, unpredictable horse who has had numerous medical inspections in an attempt to solve the problem?

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GirlFriday said:
A sound business decision to cut losses on a lousy investment unlikely to make money.

Bought horse to make a quick buck; shooting it instead of engaging vet when it bucks.

Poor horse.

What a bunch of owners.
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You so obviously have absolutely no ethics if you would let this pony be moved on to kill a child by bolting - Whenever you sell a troubled horse there is a risk that something could happen - there are several very experienced people on this forum who have commented on this post.

Any one who has any conscience would not sell on a horse/pony with problems that could cause injury or death. The OP looked into the past of this pony - it wasn't good - when a horse or pony has so many homes in such a short time - there is a problem - this pony could have a brain tumour, other problems that suddenly make it react. I had one many years ago that would suddenly bolt - we never found out the trigger, I battled with him for a year as he was most of the time a lovely horse - and I am an experienced rider, I chose to PTS as the majority of riders are not of a standard to cope with a problematic horse.

I suggest that you back out quietly form this post and go and troll on another site.
 
OP take absolutely NO notice of the rather vitriolic poster. You are 100% doing the right thing by yourself, by the horse and by anyone who might have been injured. As I said in my original post, we are lucky in that we had somewhere to keep a horse like this, if we didn't then ours would have been PTS as well.

It's a brave and responsible decision to have made and I admire you for that. x
 
OP, I feel for you as I am currently in the same situation (albeit with a medical rather than behavioural issue) and my horse is going to be pts tomorrow so I will be thinking of you next week. But I most definitely think you have come to the right decision as you are ensuring that the horse does not suffer, and also that no one else suffers from the horse being passed around and injuring someone.

Please pay no attention to the poster above who is trying to make you feel bad about this situation - I have had people disagree with my decision and I cant tell you how awful it is to have your judgment questioned on an animal you are trying to do the best by.

GirlFriday - I hope you never have to deal with a situation like this and have not only the heartache of pts of an animal but to be made a lot worse by people feeling they know better than you. Until you are in such a situation you have no right to dictate, and be downright rude, to an owner that is doing what they feel is the best option for their pet. Always better a day too early than a day too late, and any good horse owner would be good to remember that.
 
Pigeon said:
Oh how sad :( Bad situation for all of you, and poor little creature being passed from pillar to post his whole life. I think putting him to sleep is probably the kindest/safest thing to do, definitely don't move him again.

I agree that there is probably something physically wrong. You could spend all of the money in the world on diagnostics and still not find the issue.

Is he girthy at all? I might scope for ulcers as a last resort if he was mine (as all the moves are likely to have caused them) but I'm still not sure I would want to get on something that could bronc out of the blue, even if he was suffering from them.
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Second this - extreme stag broncking is a classic sign of glandular ulcers - similar to having acid splashed in your face - horses pass 5 stage vettings all the time with undiagnosed ulcers & given all the changes of homes it could be worth checking - so sorry for your dilemma these horses sure aren't easy at times!!
 
Girl Friday is one of those awful posters that knows nothing but loves to make spiteful, snipey comments. Shes only not on user ignore becuase its like car crash TV when she posts :)
 
Surely if it was ulcers it would be doing it all the time, not just a random explosion out of the blue?

OP, a brave decision, and fully supported.
 
Orangehorse said:
Surely if it was ulcers it would be doing it all the time, not just a random explosion out of the blue?

OP, a brave decision, and fully supported.
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Actually no as is our experience with ulcers a lot depends on if the stomach is empty & therefore the stomach acid is splashing on the ulcers, which is why its important to feed prior to riding ensuring stomach not empty.
Sorry bit off topic & I have noticed decision made now, sorry very hard situation to be in & very bravely taken.
 
OP, well done for taking the hard decision to ensure that this poor horse will not suffer any further, and that he will therefore not hurt anyone else.

As for the poster who does not understand the issue, I only hope that she/he does not learn the hard way.
 
OP do you have an update from the PM? I keep looking out for something as I am really interested. I think you took a very responsible and difficult decision.
 
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