Pup crying when crated -how long

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Apologies for lack of updates and photos, will deal with the photos asap but last Sunday we collected our new pup. After losing Rosie we needed company for Chloe and went back to the same breeder, we now have ESS boy Alfie. Anyway, my problem, he will not settle in his crate or play pen. Chloe loved it and was always happy to be in either but Alfie screams the place down as soon as we leave him in either. He is OK left alone but with the others but for his own safety I like him crated when i cant watch him and overnight until he is a bit bigger and can hold his own in any rough and tumble. How long is it acceptable to leave a pup who is obviously distressed, really howling, yapping and a terrible plaintive little cry. I left him for 40 mins last night, watching from a distance but out of his sight and then couldnt bear it. The second he stopped for a breather I scooped him out (so as to try not to encourage rewarding the yapping). We will not need to use the crate or playpen long term, they are, as I said, just until he is about 12 weeks, currently 8, and I know he wont get squished by his bigger cousin. Help please as I am currently feeling really mean and not sure whether to give up with the crate or persevere for a few more nights.
 
Longer than that, 40 mins is not long to hear alot of hollering and creaching from a puppy that now finds himslef alone with no siblings, I always put them in for longer periods when im off out, and repeat this during the day, only getting them out to feed and play to tire them, this helps with the night silence immensley :rolleyes:

Are u crating him in the same room a u also, so he does not associate being in there with u dissapearing at first, is his teddy/kong ready stuffed and is he physically tired when u place him in there?
They can whale on for an hour on and an hour off commonly, they soon settle when not lifted out :p
The pen/crate is not huge is it? the bigger the space the longer it takes them to settle.
Smaller crates are also better to black out with a blanket which also helps them settle sooner.
 
Cayla thank you for reply. Crate is just large enough for an adult ESS to travel in, is this too big dyou think. Playpen is about 4 x this at mo, can have panels added as needed. During the day the whole setup is in lounge (crate inside playpen) so i try to place him in crate with door open just as he nods off, it has a cosy blanket in it that i left with his breeder for a week so should smell of mum and siblings, also his teddy and chewy bone. When hes awake he can see me wandering past and Chloe, shes usually sleeping on the sofa watching him. It has a dark towel over the top and sides to make it feel like a little den. At night crate only comes upstairs as all our dogs sleep upstairs (I know) Can you spot any room for improvement, its easy to miss a trick and good to get a 2nd opinion.
 
When I got my collie at 8 weeks he used to scream the place down whenever he went into his crate and he had to go in there during the daytime and when we went to sleep as I was worried he would get hurt by our bigger dog and didnt want them in seperate rooms so they could still get to know each other.
What we did was to make the crate as comfy as possible with my old dressing gown in it so he could have a familiar smell and his favourite teddy then covered the whole crate(only a night mind) with a black sheet. It only took a few nights for him to realise it was bed time. I like you have the dogs upstairs with me at night which i know isnt the best thing to do but love having them with me!
In the days I just made sure he was tired out before I went to work as it doesnt take too much when they are little, and came back to check him every couple of hours.
This method seemed to work well for us
 
I was really lucky when Millie was a puppy, she used to have a cat crate next to my bed, she had to stay in there all night and only ever made a noise (used to paw the door) when I started sneaking her into my bed after mum and dad had gone to bed - my bad?? Lol!

Echo the above. Jim still whinges sometimes if he's somewhere new, he's nearly 5!
 
Sounds like u are doing fine, but as the others suggest def try and down size with the space and taking him upstairs to be with you and the others is fineaslong as he is in a crate/carrier :D so nothing wrong with that me dear.
Try and place him in the crate very frequently at first, always when he is worn out, and at times when u are chilling too, so he has security in knowing u are near and covering it blocks out his view when u begin to leave him, use a big thick blanket/sheet cover and cover it all, leave radio on and try a DAP diffuser, dont feel bad, and if it kills u, go out and let him cry it out of his system.
 
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