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Thanks SJ-thing is im not overly expereienced with buying horses...i mean im not stupid but if anything im over cautious....i would probably take a local event rider with me who bings on some young horses if i was able to see him....i think 8k would be plenty for him...hes not really done that much at all
 
I agree with Boss - make an offer and walk away - leave her to contact you. I don't buy/sell horses but I know someone who does and £9k, at this time of year, is OTT. Good luck
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You must see him over ditches and into water- and it must be a course that he hasnt seen before. Warmbloods particularly the KWPN's are just renown for being iffy over the ditches/water etc and for lack of bravery. They'll say yes one day and no the next. I know that wev'e known of a lot of exceptions to this rule, but just be carefull about them. Several top eventers have stopped importing warmbloods to sell on for this very reason.
Voltaires are also known for lack of bravery. But again, there are exceptions- you cannot tar them all with the same brush!

Otherwise I think he looks a super athletic type, cannot see the time on XC being a problem at all. Value I think would be minimum £8500.
 
Thankyou, i shall take a look...at that money i dont think i can take a risk and people seem very split with warmbloods for eventning....im going to ring express my concerns about xc and his value and leave it with her....i do really like him but he is the 1st iv seen and i cant take a major risk
 
My mare is reg Sweedish Warmblood but the sire was SF and the mare Irish TB. Given that the SF are quite a mix my mare os probably at least 3/4 TB.
In terms of the speed I guess that it depends on how far you want to go - my mare can make the time at Novice but only time will tell at a higher level.
It is the attitude of the horse and how bold he is that could be an issue. Some warmbloods are too careful and suspicious.
I can understand their reluctance about the XC schooling. When I went to see my mare my jumping was so bad I mucked up so many times but she just kept jumping. My instructor could tell from her attitude that she was bold enough to handle the XC.
At the end of the day if they are unwilling to let you try him out XC then you either have to take a chance or walk away.
 
thanks thats what i think-thing is they are asking a fair amount for him considering he has onlu been out about 10/11 times....we are going to dicuss our concerns with them and then leave it with her....i cant risk having a horse thats going to hate xc or never be brave enough as iv just sold a horse for the very reason that one phase let her down completely and there was really not anything i could do
 
The only things I can offer are to put up some XC type fences in the school including a plastic ditch and see how he fares with that.

But the biggest mistakes I've ever made are about not being sure whether the horse was right for me. I've bought horses that I've not been 100% positive about because I couldn't put my finger on what it was that I didn't like about them (if that makes sense?). They've turned out to be big mistakes. Whereas the ones I've gone back for and really wanted whatever their foibles have turned out OK for what I wanted to do at the time.

The money you're prepared to spend is a lot, so I think you need to be sure.
 
Take him somewhere completely different even if it is just a school and test his reaction to somewhere new and "spooky". That would give you an idea of a "can do" horse or a "cant" when they are out of their comfort zone etc, and give an indicator to whether they would take on new things easily. As for WB's, I wouldnt worry too much now tbh. My friend has got a 17.1hh Polish thing that is only 4 and "proper" WB, but is being offered silly money for him by big names as an eventer, so I dot think it is too much of an issue tbh, just sometimes they can be a bit slower thinking and not as "cat like" which is why people are put off them as opposed to the speed thing.
 
not keen on warmbloods personally, I like a good old irish x for eventing, needs balls and personality, I find warmbloods a tad namby pamby on XC phases.....nice looker tho......quite leggy, possibly be better something more compact.

If the seller is not allowing you to try what you want to do with him, I'd walk away, its not worth it unless she is giving him away and you can take a chance.
 
And of course another reason she may not want you to take it XC is that she knows it would have heart failure at the sight of a log!
 
I knew 2 mares by Bon Ami and they had lots of talent well one did but they were complete **** to train and do anything with !!! had the biggest attitude ever !!
 
Personally, if i was selling, i wouldnt let mine go XCing at all, regardless of the size. Accidents can happen and the risk of ending up with an injured horse would be too much.

I think if you're stressing this much over the horses potential over XC, then you're better off looking for something that has a record to back up the claims or is perhaps in an eventing home whereby you can go and watch it compete.

Potential is precisely that... but the point of potential is that it has to be tapped (correctly) to come out and personally i dont see it as the current owners job to do that.

Absolutly clue less on value tbh, but boss I'd trust Boss's opinion on it
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Tierra, i don't think she's stressing over the horses potential xc, it obviously has the jump, just over the fact that it might be one of THOSE warmbloods that won't get its toes wet or jump a ditch, for love nor money. big expensive mistake to make, and a very understandable concern with a wb, i think.
fwiw, i know someone who tried a horse xc, it managed to cut its knee stopping at a little wall, he therefore had to buy it (having already decided he didn't really want it!) and it went on to win Badminton...
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yes i am not stressing over it, of course i dont expect a horse i go to buy to necessarily be shown over xc fences-i just know and have heard that warmbloods can be very spooky and a bit weedy-and IMO thats a big risk to take

Basically we called her last night and told her my concerns and she said she would take him schooling if we wanted to....but she has other people coming to see him-we also said that in our opinion for what we want she is asking too much..hes been out a total of 10 times, hes rising 7...not that i want them overworked but in fact its not like he as done THAT much.

We said we do really really like him and maybe if she has no luck with anyone else then to think of us....we dont want to insult her but at the same time we have to be realistic....i told her before we went we wouldnt be willing to pay the full price and she still wanted us to come and see him.
I really really like him and would love her to call back if hes not sold and let me come and try him....as i think he would be very good dressage and show jumping...although we had to push her to put up some bigger fences when we tried him
 
Which Bon Ami is he by? One was a good jumper and did throw some that went to internatrional and Olympic level s-j, but he also threw some spooky/tricky ones. The one you have pictured does not look to have inherited the eyes to ears that the tricky ones had so thats a good point. I know of one by him, is quite stocky but has a hell of an engine so with the finer build you could do well.
 
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Its the risk with all of them we buy to a certain extent though isn't it Fran. However careful we are there is always an element of luck. If she'll pop him over a ditch etc for you, I can't see what more you can ask if you can get the price right.
 
yes i understand that i bought my last horse with no expereience xc and she wasfantastic-thing is im buying this not just as something to go out and see what happens but hopefully something that will be good-i know there are no gurantees but when shes asking £9000 saying that it will event..eyt its only been out sj-ing 10/11 times its not really the same......i was most concerned about the breeding and thats actually the main reason i posted as i know some people dont like warmblods for eventing.
At the end of the day its my parents money and if they are not happy they are not happy and theres very little i can do about it
 
I know its a nightmare! I bought a just broken 4 year old in June and so far I'm really pleased with him. I am sure most people will think I spent too much on him though!!
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I will event at whatever level I am brave enough to do and like you, would be pretty gutted if he didn't turn out very competitive. He is an ISH, I didn't want a warmblood after my last horse!! But they are all different. Have you been looking long, are there any youngsters that have done a couple of intros on the market for sensible money. They might be a safer bet but I am sure you will pay for it! Loads of luck Fran.
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well my horse only went three days ago-hes the 1st i have seen...very few youngsters on the market which have done a few intros for sensible money!! i have really been looking at 5/6 year olds they dont necessarily have to have done any BE would preferably like something irishy/tb like....im going to be very careful as i have just sold a horse who had one weak phase so didnt want to end up with the same problem i would be absoultely heartbroken!!

Theres not really that much around atm!! tbh i keep loking at ads and thinking bl**dy hell makes my mare look cheap that i just sold!
 
he looks a nice sort fran, but if i was paying that kind of money i would want to see him schooling around at least a pre novice course confidently, 9k is a lot of money to lose if its not right.. what people ask and what they actually get is two very different things! For what you want to do and the fact you want to bring it on yourself, you should get something more in the region of £5k its not like the breeding has to be so perfect for eventing, good trainable temperament and good bold carefull jump! I dont think you can beat a T.B.
 
If in doubt, ask yourself could you sell him on for ANY job for the amount you brought him for? A friend brought a Sjer with this in mind. He didnt do well eventing as didnt take to XC, so she sold him on as a profit SJing after doing a few more BSJA comps on him.
 
i dont think i would tbh at £9000.......and i wouldnt really be that able to go out and do BSJA on him and sell him on as i would have to do it to a higher level than i have done before-and there are not any close venues at all.....the balls in her court so to speak
 
Just a quick note to stick up for warmbloods. I have a Dutch warmblood I have had since a baby and both of us had only ever done showjumping, I hate to say i didn't even hack him out much as it was all roads near me. Well this year we both went eventing, I went schooling a couple of times then did the season. We were eliminated at water once and a had a stop there too. However we ended up winning the championship for our area. I took him straight in the equivalent of PN and next year we are going N. I think speed is dependent alot on training and fitness work too. Personally I think the horses looks Fab!
 
I don't know that much about breeding, potential ect but it seems to me to be a lot of money to spend on somthing that you very rightly have huge doubts about. To that the only thing I can say which my OH said to me when I bought Albert was:

Don't fall for the first horse that comes along, because your desprate to get another take your time and the right horse will find you.

I hate to say it he was right, I hope you find the right one for you, good luck in your search
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thanks...i look at them very objectivly and pick faults anyway..and i think that in a lot of ways is the bet thing to do...so i dont get "attacthed" in my own mind.....
 
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