ragwort I have had it with the myths

EstherHegt said:
That is te problem! That is why there are myths. And I am done with the myths. I hope you all also have done with the myths and are going to the press and tell them!
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But the myths that you are so hysterical about do no harm whatsoever Esther. We have better things to do with our time in this country.

Can I suggest that your time would be better spent worrying about why pig welfare standards are so much lower in The Netherlands than they are in Britain and why your farmers are taking so much more time than ours to adopt the EU pig welfare guidelines? Now that WOULD be worth spending time over.
 
cptrayes said:
And we don't like your myths that we panic about ragwort and that we do not know how to manage it in our own pastures.

The UK is not full of grazing like you see in magazine articles Esther, they pick those photos for shock value.
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Ahhh... we come to the point what WE mean....

When there is no ragwort paninc in the UK ... can you explain me then why they want to show you... schock value fhoto's ???


You are completely incorrect in your advice that ragwort will not grow in dense grass sward, by the way.
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What is the completely incorrect info about that ?
In a dense grass sward ... there is no disturbe (open) ground... what means... no idial place for ragwort seeds to grow.
Its so simple....

If the farmers around your hay fields have a lot of ragwort uncontrolled then no matter how dense your hay crop ragwort can and does grow in it.
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Then you would have to go to the farmer...and tel your problem with the ragwort.

Here... in the Netherlands... the farmers want to get rid of their manure (is that the right word ? the s h i t of the animals/cows)
They put it on there fields ...
Just like al the stuf they put on against other weed then ragwort and to let grow the gras for the cows.
There is rarely a field in the Netherlands from a framer that have ragwort.
Strage to me there is in the UK...
The ragwort here that gives problems is mostly in the nature reserves and along the highways, not by farmers.

I watch my neighbours pull ragwort from their hay fields every year before cutting and it is reseeded in different places by their neighbours to grow the the next year. Their hayfields are established meadows with a very dense sward of a large variety of grasses.
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Put manure on it ?... maybe it works... ragwort don't like it verry much.

Did you ever ask other people what they do when they have NO ragwort in ther fields than pulling ?

Besides...when pulling , its comming back... remember the broken roods... we write it before.
 
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This would be a good welfare issue for you to spend your time on.

The appalling standards of pig welfare in Holland including the prevalence of tail docking & lack of environmental enrichment. I believe castration levels are also high in Holland.

http://www.ciwf.org.uk/what_we_do/p...rcover_investigation/netherlands/default.aspx

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/06/animal-welfare-food-bacon

Sorry, but I doget a bit hysterical about the welfare of the animals I eat - that's why I stick to British pig products.
 
Mrs B said:
As cptrayes says: we do not panic about ragwort here.

We KNOW how to cope with it.

I honestly feel sad that you're wasting so much time and energy on a problem which doesn't exist, except in your (and Nick's) head!

How about focussing your attention on something that really matters, where you could make a difference? You're obviously someone who campaigns with a passion, so why not do the same for live horse transport for slaughter, or something similar?
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Why do you think this is the only thing we do ??
Do not stop in a box if you do not know us ...
 
Nick Altena said:
Do not stop in a box if you do not know us ...
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Huh? Lost in translation, I think... :confused::D

No wait - don't answer that. I think I now know quite enough about you and Esther and have no wish to know any more. I won't get back the last half hour of my life it's taken to read this pointless, weird ranting.

Over and out.

Mrs B.
 
hairycob said:
Tell me Nick - is the plight of Dutch pigs on your hit list or is or is it only foreigners you patronise? Because guess what - you did it again.
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I quote:
A recent investigation by a Dutch organisation has found that many pigs in the Netherlands are still being raised in conditions that break EU law.

An undercover investigation by Dutch animal rights group Ongehoord

ssssttt....do not tell others... its yust ONE thing on the list i do... ;)

But agian... i want to leave this site.
I have a lot to do and the politeness here is hard to find.
WE are not polite to you ??
read again this line.... and see how you all are talking about us...

Think about tis one... then maybe you understand why i'm leaving here.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mob-mentality.htm
 
It's not a mob mentality Nick, just a lot of individuals who happen not to agree with you :rolleyes:

And no you aren't polite to us inferring we are all ignorant panicked imbeciles who can't manage pasture or laminitic horses correctly.
 
I'll be kind and say it is because your English is good, but not good enough for what you are trying to do,& because you don't understand British culture that, despite having it pointed out to you an many occasions you do not understand why we find you so rude. But it is strange because my neice married a Dutch guy & has lived in Amsterdam for years. I have always found the Dutch people I have become acquainted with through her to be very polite & very perceptive, so maybe I'd be wrong in that.

The Dutch piggies need your help far more than our horses so it probably is a good idea if you don't waste anymore time on here. Although I should be thanking you for keeping me entertained when I'm too injured to ride.
 
EstherHegt said:
It is correct you tell dat all Jacobaea species have PA's who grow in and Europe. But also a lot of other plants, 6000 worldwide. Good you did some search about it!!! One of my co authors does a lot of research especially about this plants http://pieterpelser.blogspot.nl/
He is also a reference in the EFSA report about PA's.
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Nicely patronising (thought you had me there didn't you:rolleyes:)

You say you lost a six year old mare to liver failure.

How did she die Esther?
 
Mrs B said:
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How about focussing your attention on something that really matters, where you could make a difference? You're obviously someone who campaigns with a passion, so why not do the same for live horse transport for slaughter, or something similar?
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Don't be silly Mrs B, they eat the bloody things. Get real, "Campaign" for a better world with horse slaughter? Are you being serious? :D:D That would be like ***king for virginity! ;)

Alec.
 
by Nick
When there is no ragwort paninc in the UK ... can you explain me then why they want to show you... schock value fhoto's ???
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It's called jounalism, Nick, it sells papers. Only an idiot would think all our fields look like it.



by Nick
What is the completely incorrect info about that ?

In a dense grass sward ... there is no disturbe (open) ground... what means... no idial place for ragwort seeds to grow.
Its so simple....
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It is NOT so simple. Ragwort can and does grow in a dense sward - I see it with my own eyes!


by Nick
Besides...when pulling , its comming back... remember the broken roods... we write it before.
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Besides ....when pulling, it is NOT coming back ..... remember I have told you that I have been pulling it for 20 years and it is NOT coming back in the same place .... I write it 3 times before.
 
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Nick Altena said:
But agian... i want to leave this site.
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If you are unable to distinguish between mob rule and a group of individuals who simply do not agree with you, please do.

You have been incredibly insulting to the horse owners of Great Britain Nick, I hope that you are not representative of Dutch people as a whole. I do not think you have done your fellow countrymen any favours with your posts on this thread :(
 
I've never tried Welsh salt marsh lamb before. I'd like to try it someday :D
I HAVE tasted Welsh Black beef........Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, delicious :D
I have also eaten Highland beef, as well as Aberdeen Angus and Simmental. Oh, and if Water Buffalo counts (there's a herd here in Scotland)...BEAUTIFUL !!!

Other than those, I haven't knowingly eaten any other specific breed meat, but I would like to :cool:.

What is the "perfect" grazing here ?
The high fibre/low energy ROUGH Mountain and Moorland pasture on which our Native breeds have evolved and survived for thousands of years :D
 
....well, I'm off to go and pull some ragwort. With gloves on. Cos you know, it's REALLY not worth the risk-to me, or my horse.





Jog on....
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
Anyone going over to the Netherlands, do take a good look at pasture management as a whole.
We regularly go over - and tho much is lovely (think of going through Lambourn just for example) there is also weed infested land too - badly managed and unkempt.

Ester m'dear, go & find something/somewhere where your links & postings may be read with interest.

There will always be someone/somewhere that does their 'own thing' & not conform to the ideal. On this forum I feel you really are muddying waters and findng yourself in too deep.
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This. TFF speaks much sense. Esther, as someone else suggested, why don't you take your obvious passion for campaigning and channel it elsewhere?

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Nick Altena said:
There is rarely a field in the Netherlands from a framer that have ragwort.
Strage to me there is in the UK...
The ragwort here that gives problems is mostly in the nature reserves and along the highways, not by farmers.
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And herein lies the problem Nick . . . the UK is much more densely populated than the Netherlands, the land is not divided in quite the same way, and farmland/highways/set asides for wildlife often exist side-by-side . . . seeds blow in the wind, etc. and hey presto ragwort appears in the sward of grazing land for all animals.

While I admire your passion, I think you have inadvertently put people's backs up . . . just because ragwort isn't a problem in The Netherlands, doesn't mean it isn't here . . . and, personally, I will continue to pull ragwort from my horse's field until someone can definitively prove to me that it doesn't cause liver damage. Yes, I know that I have to pull it multiple times and in the proper manner before it no longer comes up . . . yes, I know that I'm fighting a losing battle due to the ragwort alongside some of the hedgerows . . . but it takes me 20 minutes or so once a week to pull it and that seems like a small price to pay for the health of my beloved horse.

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PolarSkye said:
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. . . just because ragwort isn't a problem in The Netherlands, doesn't mean it isn't here . . .

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Something's just occurred to me, if there is no Ragwort in the Netherlands, then how come they've become such a collection of God Almighty experts?

As others have suggested, the opening post was no more than an attempt to discredit Prof. Wot'sisname. ;) An attempt which has failed, abysmally. It also occurs to me that as one of the contributors to this thread was involved in a specific paper, to attempt to discredit another, is highly unprofessional. :D

Alec.
 
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PolarSkye said:
And herein lies the problem Nick . . . the UK is much more densely populated than the Netherlands, the land is not divided in quite the same way, and farmland/highways/set asides for wildlife often exist side-by-side . . . seeds blow in the wind, etc. and hey presto ragwort appears in the sward of grazing land for all animals.

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Not sure that is correct, i thought the Netherlands was more densely populated than the UK ;)

But other than that, i think by and large us UK horse folk do the best we can with our pasture management, and feel rather put out to be told how to 'suck-eggs' by a small Dutch contingent!
 
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