RANT. Pink and fluffy would be Parelli- ites should not be allowed to ...

rossiroo said:
Oh this did make me smile, why is it that the people who do the parrelli thing seem to have youngsters? is it an excuse not to ride them ?the only people that I have met that ride their parrelli 'trained?' horses never seem to get out of walk, but they do have every type of special headcollar/ rope /stick that is sold with the idea. Oh dear I think I may have upset pink n fluffy peeps!
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I would have to disagree that all people who do parelli dont ride their horse's. I know a fair few who do parelli and have horse's schooled to a very high standard. I myself do NH, but not parelli even tho what i do is very similar, and i ride, jump etc. I think that a lot of people go down the route of parelli in the hope that they will be able to fix certain behavioural or training issues. Plus these people might not want to ride, which i dont have a problem with. If someone would rather have a relationship on the ground, fair enough.

I think the issue here is not that this person uses parelli, but more about the fact she hasnt got a clue how to do it.
 
CalllyH said:
If it's your paddock tell her to do one. I once saw some parrelli it's trying to teach a horse to load by waving a stick at it. Poor horse looked so con fussed. A good pat on the bum and feed in the trailer would have been better
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i agree, some people on my yard do the same, they get these parrelli people to come in and wave sticks and stuff at the horses giving them the fright of their life bless them. but a lot of people do parrelli so it must have some good uses....


Sounds like you've had a stressful day, glass of wine is needed.
 
I would still ask her to leave as I don't think you would be able to keep your mouth shut, when she really starts to mess up and guess who will get slated and a bad name. YOU
 
Should have also added nobody likes to see a young horses ruined through, bad handling and managment. And I for one would have said something, that why I say get rid off, pronto
 
rossiroo said:
Oh this did make me smile, why is it that the people who do the parrelli thing seem to have youngsters? is it an excuse not to ride them ?the only people that I have met that ride their parrelli 'trained?' horses never seem to get out of walk, but they do have every type of special headcollar/ rope /stick that is sold with the idea. Oh dear I think I may have upset pink n fluffy peeps!
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You are sooo right...... They do give horse people a VERY bad name - and all those poor confused horses / ponies - a nightmare
 
My EDT always said he can tell horses who have been trained in the parelli ways cos they're all so bad-mannered to handle.

I must admit, I used to amuse myself watching the fervant parelli followers at my last yard, as they used to spend hours waggling ropes and sticks at their confused/bored looking horses. They'd tack them up but rarely get on their backs and, if they did, it was only to plod round in walk.

I have no experience of NH myself. I follow the consistently fair but firm principal and all my horses have always respected my space whilst wanting to be with me (and not through fear either). I went to a Monty Roberts demo once and, although it was very clever, it was just the bond you should naturally build up with a horse but over a much shorter period of time.

I think too many people are looking for a quick fix or a 'kinder' method of training but don't realise that their inexperience/incompetence is often more damaging and results in more 'problem horses' than a regular beating does. It's the same principle as a snaffle only being kind in kind hands ......
 
Herpesas said:
My EDT always said he can tell horses who have been trained in the parelli ways cos they're all so bad-mannered to handle.

I must admit, I used to amuse myself watching the fervant parelli followers at my last yard, as they used to spend hours waggling ropes and sticks at their confused/bored looking horses. They'd tack them up but rarely get on their backs and, if they did, it was only to plod round in walk.

I have no experience of NH myself. I follow the consistently fair but firm principal and all my horses have always respected my space whilst wanting to be with me (and not through fear either). I went to a Monty Roberts demo once and, although it was very clever, it was just the bond you should naturally build up with a horse but over a much shorter period of time.

I think too many people are looking for a quick fix or a 'kinder' method of training but don't realise that their inexperience/incompetence is often more damaging and results in more 'problem horses' than a regular beating does. It's the same principle as a snaffle only being kind in kind hands ......
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I quite agree!

There's nothing like a trusting, natural bond between you and your horse, and that's something that takes time and patience. Not half an hour with a stick.
 
The first day i got my first youngster he was 10 months old, he got turned out whilst i ahad popped to get a sandwich and upon my return i found him galavanting around an 8 acre field much to his delight... I waited till all the others got their horses in and i still couldnt catch the little monkey, i got a bucket of feed and sat on the floor in the field. After an hour the cheeky wotsit came over to have a bit of dinner so i gave him a mouthful of chaff got up walked off and sat down again, so this went on for an age over and over it seemed like and as it started to get dark i caught him and brought him in, ever since that my little angel has run up to me in the field, dont know if thats luck or judgement but hopefully she will realise that common sense works better than practice you dont fully understand.
 
Enfys hun, you said "...then the little gobshite went for me with his front feet". And you said you let him go with his headcollar and lead rope on. You didn't mention re-catching him to remove the headcollar and lead rope, nor did you mention ringing the owner. Because you told the rest of the story in great detail I think it's fair to expect people to not be psychic and to respond to what you DID tell us. I'm not judging at all, I was just startled to hear someone as experienced as you blaming the horse when it is clearly the owner who is at fault. It's people who make horses "bad". They're not born like that.
 
To start a post 'I don't know anything about NH or Parelli, but my opinion is.'

Firstly makes me laugh at the arrogance, and stupidity.

Secondly makes me so disappointed that someone may read and be taken in by a silly post like that.

I am now going out on my barefoot, Parelli trained chestnut mare, which I will ride at all paces in a headcollar and lead rope. We will be covering about ten miles this morning, moorland, lanes, tracks and quite a lot of road work.

Parelli people don't ride their horses, rubbish.
 
I won't have parelli practiced on my yard - I feel that strongly about it, people are told when they come to view, and TBH I have a couple of happy liveries who feel as I do.
 
AndySpooner said:
Parelli people don't ride their horses, rubbish.
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Of course,some do. But why is it such a common misconception then ? Is there not a grain of truth in it ?
My personal experience on ordinary livery yards is that, no, they don't. With the exception of one, who would hack out with me if we were not going faster than a walk. Quite frankly, the horse was unsafe on the roads, would go into melt down if bin lorries/tractors/cyclists were encountered.
Why, on a 80 horse yard, were the handful of parelli owners, with the above exception, the ones who never rode healthy horses, but played games in the safety of the school ?
Would I have ridden any of them ? Nope.
 
AndySpooner said:
Parelli people don't ride their horses, rubbish.
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I'm sure some do. My experience is, though, that most use Parelli as an excuse not to ride....... Usually because the thought of getting on a horse (any horse) is just too terrifying......:rolleyes:

Good for you, though, Andy :D
 
I don't think this thread was meant to be a I hate/love parelli arguments just a general, & deserved, rant by OP! I have days with my own pony where I just can't catch him for some god knows reason, most days he is fine, & on those days I have a rant too!! I hope u had a huge glass of wine on your return home! xx
 
AndySpooner said:
To start a post 'I don't know anything about NH or Parelli, but my opinion is.'

Firstly makes me laugh at the arrogance, and stupidity.

Secondly makes me so disappointed that someone may read and be taken in by a silly post like that.

I am now going out on my barefoot, Parelli trained chestnut mare, which I will ride at all paces in a headcollar and lead rope. We will be covering about ten miles this morning, moorland, lanes, tracks and quite a lot of road work.

Parelli people don't ride their horses, rubbish.
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Just a word of warning with 3 insurance companies that I know of if your insured and you have an accident on the road you won't be covered unless you have a bridle on.

If you're not insured you have nothing to worry about. :)
 
Argh im getting sucked into another parelli debate! :p

It can also be seen on many yards that there are many owners who do not ride their horses, and who dont do anything with them. People who dont ride healthy horses for whatever reason will always exist. It could be argued that at least those doing parelli ground skills are doing something with their horses. ;)

Please nobody tell me that people who do NH with their horses are ruining and or confusing them. Yes theres a lot of that that goes on, probably due to some people learning from dvds alone, but the same could be said for many people practicing traditional methods without instruction from a decent trainer.
 
horserider said:
Of course,some do. But why is it such a common misconception then ? Is there not a grain of truth in it ?
My personal experience on ordinary livery yards is that, no, they don't. With the exception of one, who would hack out with me if we were not going faster than a walk. Quite frankly, the horse was unsafe on the roads, would go into melt down if bin lorries/tractors/cyclists were encountered.
Why, on a 80 horse yard, were the handful of parelli owners, with the above exception, the ones who never rode healthy horses, but played games in the safety of the school ?
Would I have ridden any of them ? Nope.
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It's an interesting question actually. I do Parelli and I take the same approach as Andy. I ride most days, hacking, cross country, sponsored rides, dressage, unaff SJ, riding bridleless, some days I play on the ground on line and at liberty... And I would quite happily hack out without the headcollar and leadrope except that my insurance company and the police would probably be very unhappy with me so I stick something on her head so everybody is happy. It's there as a safety net. There are several others at my yard who also do Parelli and they are the same way so I feel strongly that Parelli people do ride.
So why is it commonly thought that we don't? In level 1 it is suggested that you don't ride. Level 1 is about getting safe with the horse on the ground, being able to move it around, being friendly with it, both of you feeling confident with each other. If you have a straightforward horse, you pass through level 1 very quickly and start riding. For example at our yard we have a little girl with her pony who has finished level 1 after 2 lessons.
However, a lot of people get into Parelli because they have challenging horses that they are looking for solutions to. Until they work through their problems on the ground and get their horses listening and responsive on the ground they certainly shouldn't be getting on their backs and I'm sure we can all agree that often this will involve a fair amount of education for both horse and rider no matter what 'method' of horsemanship one chooses, Parelli or otherwise.
So safety while getting through that first level especially with a challenging horse is one reason for not riding. The second reason is that Parelli students study four savvys whereas most people in the UK do groundwork such as lunging only in order to improve their horse for riding, so riding is the goal. For a Parelli student you can have just as much fun playing with your horse on the ground on line or at liberty as someone else could riding a great dressage test or jumping a clear round. So fun is the other reason. You've just got to do whatever makes you and your horse happy and confident!
 
Level 1 is about getting safe with the horse on the ground, being able to move it around, being friendly with it, both of you feeling confident with each other.
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God, it really is the most awful crock isn't it..................:o:(:confused:
 
unbalanced said:
It's an interesting question actually. I do Parelli and I take the same approach as Andy. I ride most days, hacking, cross country, sponsored rides, dressage, unaff SJ, riding bridleless, some days I play on the ground on line and at liberty... And I would quite happily hack out without the headcollar and leadrope except that my insurance company and the police would probably be very unhappy with me so I stick something on her head so everybody is happy. It's there as a safety net. There are several others at my yard who also do Parelli and they are the same way so I feel strongly that Parelli people do ride.
So why is it commonly thought that we don't? In level 1 it is suggested that you don't ride. Level 1 is about getting safe with the horse on the ground, being able to move it around, being friendly with it, both of you feeling confident with each other. If you have a straightforward horse, you pass through level 1 very quickly and start riding. For example at our yard we have a little girl with her pony who has finished level 1 after 2 lessons.
However, a lot of people get into Parelli because they have challenging horses that they are looking for solutions to. Until they work through their problems on the ground and get their horses listening and responsive on the ground they certainly shouldn't be getting on their backs and I'm sure we can all agree that often this will involve a fair amount of education for both horse and rider no matter what 'method' of horsemanship one chooses, Parelli or otherwise.
So safety while getting through that first level especially with a challenging horse is one reason for not riding. The second reason is that Parelli students study four savvys whereas most people in the UK do groundwork such as lunging only in order to improve their horse for riding, so riding is the goal. For a Parelli student you can have just as much fun playing with your horse on the ground on line or at liberty as someone else could riding a great dressage test or jumping a clear round. So fun is the other reason. You've just got to do whatever makes you and your horse happy and confident!
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Actually I would agree with that.If you have no control on the ground and you and the horse have no confidence in each other, it is unsafe and unpleasant to ride.There is a whole industry growing in Britain around the nervous rider.We have to ask why all this is occuring.I am sure its a complex subject but I feel that at the root of it all is poor teaching and understanding of both ground work skills and riding skills.This reverberates in the compeition world where many people don't want to move up a level in their chosen disicipline even when they have a good horse to do it with and some of the ugly riding you can see usually born of frustration.
 
amymay said:
God, it really is the most awful crock isn't it..................:o:(:confused:
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I'm know very little about Parelli but I do feel that being able to move and control a horse (have it trained to lead and move stop when asked etc. calmly.) on the ground is a fundamental requirement to all horsepeoples learning and skill. I read time and time and time again about horses who can't be led to and from the field without dragging their handlers or wearing a chifney.

I wonder if it may be a case of us remembering the 'bad' incidents we have encountered and then assuming that it's the method that is at total fault rather than the human doing it? I know there are many, many people who have good solid and successful partnerships with their horses doing all sorts of ridden stuff who have followed the Parelli method at some time or used aspects of it. So for me to say they don't ride or are frightened of their horses is simply untrue as a generalization.
 
amandap said:
I'm know very little about Parelli but I do feel that being able to move and control a horse (have it trained to lead and move stop when asked etc. calmly.) on the ground is a fundamental requirement to all horsepeoples learning and skill. I read time and time and time again about horses who can't be led to and from the field without dragging their handlers or wearing a chifney.
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I completely agree. You don't need to practice Parelli to be able to achieve that.;)
 
I went for a hack with a new fellow livery last weekend. Loaded them up and went to the forest, it was a fabulous ride and I enjoyed her company...got back to the car park (we'd arrived separately), I untacked let Kane have a munch then loaded him into my lorry. Turned to see if she was ready to leave...saw the horrible truth....

Horse was being pushed backwards and forwards off the ramp, words to the effect of 'I have your feet, you go where I want please' were being spoken...then out came the stick...:eek:

Needless to say I shouted over 'I'm going now Kane is loaded and I don't want to faff around so I'll go back before you'. 30 minute drive back to the yard and by the time she got back there Kane had been washed down, fed and turned out and I was leaving!!!:rolleyes:

Don't see the point, her horse was perfectly happy to load first time but she was insisting on moving him on and off the ramp.
 
amymay said:
I completely agree. You don't need to practice Parelli to be able to achieve that.;)
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Absolutely. You get people with amazing horsemanship skills who are Parelli and who are BHS and who are neither and you get people who shouldn't be allowed to touch a horse with a ten foot barge pole (or make that carrot stick) who call themselves Parelli, BHS, traditional, whatever. You get good and bad in every breed. Whatever type of horsemanship you claim to practise you should aspire to have a great relationship with your horse on the ground and in the saddle.

Where knowledge ends, violence begins, natural, traditional, whatever. Violence might be a whip, carrot stick, gadget, doesn't matter. The horse doesn't know what it's called and doesn't care. Done right any sort of good horsemanship is beautiful.

(And just because something is basic doesn't mean that it isn't worth learning. Don't you have to pass a test in mucking out for BHS stage 1? Lots of people think that's worth doing ;))
 
Naturally said:
Argh im getting sucked into another parelli debate! :p

It can also be seen on many yards that there are many owners who do not ride their horses, and who dont do anything with them. People who dont ride healthy horses for whatever reason will always exist. It could be argued that at least those doing parelli ground skills are doing something with their horses. ;)

Please nobody tell me that people who do NH with their horses are ruining and or confusing them. Yes theres a lot of that that goes on, probably due to some people learning from dvds alone, but the same could be said for many people practicing traditional methods without instruction from a decent trainer.
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Of course. It's just that people with orange sticks tend to stand out from the crowd a bit. (A lot of nh'ers don't use orange sticks of course, but get lumped in with orange stick people).

I think there are idiots, and non-riders, and numpties all over the horse world. Threads like this are always an opportunity for everyone to say how wonderful they are with their horses, but that seems to miss the point to me. The point is that someone is being an idiot with their horse and causing Op grief surely, what's the fact that some people are really fantastic with their horses got to do with that?

(Don't mind me, I'm a grumpy old woman who has just discovered that there is no milk in the fridge!),
 
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