RANT. Pink and fluffy would be Parelli- ites should not be allowed to ...

amymay said:
I completely agree. You don't need to practice Parelli to be able to achieve that.;)
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Yes, very true, tho' to be fair, Unbalanced makes some good points, as do the other parelli riders.
My issue is that Parelli is not the method to achieve it. I think many people have problems with working from the ground and are not confident in long lining and teaching movements from the ground. How many RI's teach unridden lessons unless specifically asked ?
How many people jump on rude, hot horses and then wonder why the horse is running away with them ? Common practice is to do a quick lunge and then hop on.
Ground work is not the preserve of parelli or any NH 'brand'. It is the building blocks of good training and practised in classical dressage. Quite old hat really.
 
Tinypony said:
Threads like this are always an opportunity for everyone to say how wonderful they are with their horses, but that seems to miss the point to me. The point is that someone is being an idiot with their horse and causing Op grief surely, what's the fact that some people are really fantastic with their horses got to do with that?
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Yes, you are SO right there Tinypony. The point is lost in the perenial H&H battle/discussion/debate. :D
 
p.s. I've just had a think. Down the lane where I keep my 3 nags there are a total of 13 horses and ponies. Only 3 are ridden (mine). Two are too old and retired to ride. That leaves 8 horses and ponies doing nothing, and in fact they don't even do groundwork, which I think can give horses at least something interesting and exercising to do. The only person who is nh'y is me (the rider). I do think this is all down to perception, the Parelli people tend to be lound and proud, and they stick out with their orange sticks and ropes. When you think about it though, look on an average large livery yard where there are no Parelli people, and you'll see the usual percentage of people who are fairly clueless.

Edited to say, now I've got to get out of my fluffy dressing gown (my work attire, I work from home) and go get some milk before I expire from tea deprivation. It's a tough life.
 
Tinypony said:
When you think about it though, look on an average large livery yard where there are no Parelli people, and you'll see the usual percentage of people who are fairly clueless.

Edited to say, now I've got to get out of my fluffy dressing gown (my work attire, I work from home) and go get some milk before I expire from tea deprivation. It's a tough life.
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I agree it is perception in the main. Also coupled with this...
horserider said:
How many people jump on rude, hot horses and then wonder why the horse is running away with them ? Common practice is to do a quick lunge and then hop on.
Ground work is not the preserve of parelli or any NH 'brand'. It is the building blocks of good training and practised in classical dressage. Quite old hat really.
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Many seem to miss the all important ground work out totally and are just interested in riding.

Edited to remove too much information. lol
 
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unbalanced said:
Level 1 is about getting safe with the horse on the ground, being able to move it around, being friendly with it, both of you feeling confident with each other.
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Being friendly with "it", level 1 is about hitting your horse around the head with a rope, and smacking in the face with a carrot stick in preparation for level 2.

Parelli horses do not feel confident, they are conditioned to a state of constant insecurity which results in the suppression of all natural instincts.

Parelli is a system based entirely on the principles of learned helplessness.
 
Tinypony said:
(Don't mind me, I'm a grumpy old woman who has just discovered that there is no milk in the fridge!),
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I like it! Hope you get your tea deprivation sorted soon :D

team barney said:
Being friendly with "it", level 1 is about hitting your horse around the head with a rope, and smacking in the face with a carrot stick in preparation for level 2.

Parelli horses do not feel confident, they are conditioned to a state of constant insecurity which results in the suppression of all natural instincts.

Parelli is a system based entirely on the principles of learned helplessness.
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Team barney, I come from a similar point of view as you regarding hitting horses in the face with a stick or clip, but you really are deliberately missing the point of what level 1 Parelli's purpose is. I'm not saying its without its faults, far from it, but anyone who has seriously examined and formed their own opinion on parelli knows that. I also feel you are deliberately leading this thread further off its original path.

It does your posting credit no favours whatsoever :(
 
AndySpooner said:
To start a post 'I don't know anything about NH or Parelli, but my opinion is.'

Firstly makes me laugh at the arrogance, and stupidity.

Secondly makes me so disappointed that someone may read and be taken in by a silly post like that.

I am now going out on my barefoot, Parelli trained chestnut mare, which I will ride at all paces in a headcollar and lead rope. We will be covering about ten miles this morning, moorland, lanes, tracks and quite a lot of road work.

Parelli people don't ride their horses, rubbish.
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Do you realise that it isn't the done thing to take your barefoot parelli trained chestnut mare onto a public highway in just a headcollar?
You might just find your insurance company walk in the opposite direction if someone were to make a claim,i think its called negligence?
 
Tinypony said:
p.s. I've just had a think. Down the lane where I keep my 3 nags there are a total of 13 horses and ponies. Only 3 are ridden (mine). Two are too old and retired to ride. That leaves 8 horses and ponies doing nothing, and in fact they don't even do groundwork, which I think can give horses at least something interesting and exercising to do. The only person who is nh'y is me (the rider). I do think this is all down to perception, the Parelli people tend to be lound and proud, and they stick out with their orange sticks and ropes. When you think about it though, look on an average large livery yard where there are no Parelli people, and you'll see the usual percentage of people who are fairly clueless.

Edited to say, now I've got to get out of my fluffy dressing gown (my work attire, I work from home) and go get some milk before I expire from tea deprivation. It's a tough life.
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?? 8 horses and ponies doing nothing !!!
 
Naturally said:
I like it! Hope you get your tea deprivation sorted soon :D



Team barney, I come from a similar point of view as you regarding hitting horses in the face with a stick or clip, but you really are deliberately missing the point of what level 1 Parelli's purpose is. I'm not saying its without its faults, far from it, but anyone who has seriously examined and formed their own opinion on parelli knows that. I also feel you are deliberately leading this thread further off its original path.

It does your posting credit no favours whatsoever :(
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I'd disagree that it does TB little credit. From the Parelli demo's I've been misfortunate enough to see at the NEC, that was the impression I got. Have never managed to stay to the end of one yet. Have had to go outside and have a rollie to calm down.
 
Naturally said:
I like it! Hope you get your tea deprivation sorted soon :D



Team barney, I come from a similar point of view as you regarding hitting horses in the face with a stick or clip, but you really are deliberately missing the point of what level 1 Parelli's purpose is. I'm not saying its without its faults, far from it, but anyone who has seriously examined and formed their own opinion on parelli knows that. I also feel you are deliberately leading this thread further off its original path.

It does your posting credit no favours whatsoever :(
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I assure you that I have thoroughly researched Parelli, I have read, watched and examined it in close detail and what Parelli say they are about and what they actually do is an entirely different matter. Linda Parelli states in the level 1 DVD box set that you should tap your horse on the nose with a carrot stick to prepare for level 2, her words not mine.

I am not impressed by their demonstrations in the slightest, I can ride my horses bareback and bridle-less, without the neck rope. From my experience neck ropes give an awful lot of control, more than a padded headcollar which is my everyday 'bridle'. I hate knotted halters and have found them to be nothing but destructive to correct and fair training, they are far to severe.

It was not my intention to take the thread from it's original path but unbalanced's view deserved a reply as it was exactly that.
 
Tinypony said:
p.s. I've just had a think. Down the lane where I keep my 3 nags there are a total of 13 horses and ponies. Only 3 are ridden (mine). Two are too old and retired to ride. That leaves 8 horses and ponies doing nothing, and in fact they don't even do groundwork, which I think can give horses at least something interesting and exercising to do. The only person who is nh'y is me (the rider). I do think this is all down to perception, the Parelli people tend to be lound and proud, and they stick out with their orange sticks and ropes. When you think about it though, look on an average large livery yard where there are no Parelli people, and you'll see the usual percentage of people who are fairly clueless.

Edited to say, now I've got to get out of my fluffy dressing gown (my work attire, I work from home) and go get some milk before I expire from tea deprivation. It's a tough life.
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8 horses and ponies doing nothing ?? are we to assume that all these horses can be ridden/and depending on the type of groundwork involved would depend whether the horse found it interesting or stimulating, there are a few methods out there that if used i would prefer they didnt do anything with their horses. lol
 
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Deleted- its going too far off topic now and I'm only repeating myself :)

P.S. I may be in danger of coming across as a "parelli-ite" - just to make it clear that I am absolutely not.
 
Ha ha Parelli again.

Parelli is a strange and pointless cult that horses and the horse world really could have done without.

And "natural horsemanship" is no more natural than any other form of horsemanship. I'd argue that those folks who do naf all with their horses are applying natural horsemanship in its truest form.
 
A friend on mine does parelli. I don't. I was asked to bring her youngster in on occasion and have to say he has been very good indeed every time, easy to catch and walked like a little angel. This is not to say I agree with the methods - yes I have seen her using the rope and halter very violently indeed and whacking her horses with the stick.

My main issue with bringing them in is that they are trained to walk behind her. They are giants, and I feel very nervous at having them behind me! Mine are not giants but one is prone to spooking and would probably run over me if he was behind me, and I feel a little prone with hers behind me. I don;t try to change the way they walk though as it would only confuse them.

Bit of a pointless psot.....
 
There is always going to be strange people with horses, in fact I don't know many 'normal' people with horses ha!
Get yourself tabs and lot's of vodka!
 
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I do parelli and I didn't even know it! I regularly chase my sisters horse away from me when he refuses to be caught, only takes him a little while to realise my game is not fun as he is unable to eat any grass. Must I go buy a carrot stick?! :confused:

:D
 
I'm not into Parelli at all but would would just say that there are plenty of people out there ruining horses by all sorts of methods! Was a spectator at a show at the weekend and boy did I see some terrible 'riding' - the poor horses!

Also, I read with horror that some people think it's ok to hack on roads in a headcollar! No insurance company would cover you & there isn't a court in the land that would find you anything other than negligent! That applies to injury/damage to property/people /dogs not just car accidents so I wouldn't hack like that even off-road. Plus, having no insurance doesn't mean you don't pay out, it means they bankrupt you!!! Seriously NOT a good idea!
 
fibelle said:
Also, I read with horror that some people think it's ok to hack on roads in a headcollar! No insurance company would cover you & there isn't a court in the land that would find you anything other than negligent! That applies to injury/damage to property/people /dogs not just car accidents so I wouldn't hack like that even off-road. Plus, having no insurance doesn't mean you don't pay out, it means they bankrupt you!!! Seriously NOT a good idea!
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I know several people in person, and several users on here who are covered by their insurance company for riding out without a bitted bridle on. If asked, insurance companies (at least, the ones these people have) will write in a clause that specifically says you are covered for riding out in a headcollar/bitless bridle/etc. I asked mine out of interest a while back and they were fine with it, it wouldn't have even cost me any more.

In my opinion its down to the individual horse, and they way they have been trained. :)
 
Thanks Naturally. I am very surprised to hear that. I can understand a bitless bridle but not a headcollar. I still think that a court would find you negligent & that your insurance company would do their damnedest to get out of paying but perhaps I'm just a terrible cynic... ;-)
 
team barney said:
Being friendly with "it", level 1 is about hitting your horse around the head with a rope, and smacking in the face with a carrot stick in preparation for level 2.

Parelli horses do not feel confident, they are conditioned to a state of constant insecurity which results in the suppression of all natural instincts.

Parelli is a system based entirely on the principles of learned helplessness.
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What absolute rubbish!
 
So if I want to hack in a hackamore, I'd have to have it specifically added into my insurance?
 
fibelle said:
Thanks Naturally. I am very surprised to hear that. I can understand a bitless bridle but not a headcollar. I still think that a court would find you negligent & that your insurance company would do their damnedest to get out of paying but perhaps I'm just a terrible cynic... ;-)
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They're all just different head gear which you use to control and direct a horse with, IMO. :)

Wonder what these guy's insurance companies have to say: http://www.msjump.co.uk/bitless.html
 
amymay said:
I think it's spot on, actually.
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Agree.... I'd like to smack them around the face with a metal clip and wave a long rope in their face/eyes push them backwards constantly and then punish them for not moving forwards, I'd also like to make them so scared that they lose all their natural ability and instincts and become depressed to the point that they are not horses anymore but dummies.

Parelli and the likes should be banned, I have seen too many horses/ ponies ruined completely by fluffy bunnies that should never be allowed near a horse, let alone own one.
 
pip6 said:
So if I want to hack in a hackamore, I'd have to have it specifically added into my insurance?
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I don't know, I would imagine it depends on how your policy is worded. I think many people who train their horses without bits are aware of the controversy and potential for people seeing them as at fault should an accident happen, and like to make sure :)
 
Through the Good Horsemanship Society, Fidelius Insurance give public liability cover that specifically covers people riding both bitted and bitless, including rope halters.
However, I've been insured to ride on the public highway in a rope halter or hackamore with both NFU and South Essex insurance, with letters on file confirming that.
 
Geri said:
?? 8 horses and ponies doing nothing !!!
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I must correct myself, the horses and ponies eat grass, drink from time to time and wander about a bit. With the right person I suspect all of them could be ridden. :-))

I don't have any objection to people keeping horses and doing nothing with them, I was adding my two pence worth into the "nh people don't ride" debate.
 
Rouletterose said:
Agree.... I'd like to smack them around the face with a metal clip and wave a long rope in their face/eyes push them backwards constantly and then punish them for not moving forwards, I'd also like to make them so scared that they lose all their natural ability and instincts and become depressed to the point that they are not horses anymore but dummies.

Parelli and the likes should be banned, I have seen too many horses/ ponies ruined completely by fluffy bunnies that should never be allowed near a horse, let alone own one.
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I have to agree - I really hate that "shutdown" look in a horse.
 
Rouletterose said:
Agree.... I'd like to smack them around the face with a metal clip and wave a long rope in their face/eyes push them backwards constantly and then punish them for not moving forwards, I'd also like to make them so scared that they lose all their natural ability and instincts and become depressed to the point that they are not horses anymore but dummies.

Parelli and the likes should be banned, I have seen too many horses/ ponies ruined completely by fluffy bunnies that should never be allowed near a horse, let alone own one.
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Fluffy bunnies smack horses around the face with a metal clip and wave a long rope in their face/eyes? :eek:
 
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