Rearing 5 year old ex race horse :/

I dont post on here very often but have an ex racer myself so always take the time to read posts like this. Maybe ive had a bad day or am feeling hormonal but i have got to say this...you are so annoying and i am so pleased my beautiful, kind spirited horse didnt end up with you.
No point trying to give advice as clearly you dont need it...if you cant figure out why a 5 year old of any breed in a new home being schooled in the manner you have described, blowing a gale and a horse cantering around him then i think you need to send him back before you ruin what will probably be a fantastic horse in the right hands.
And now im gonnna watch Mary Portas!
 
hopppydi said:
I dont post on here very often but have an ex racer myself so always take the time to read posts like this. Maybe ive had a bad day or am feeling hormonal but i have got to say this...you are so annoying and i am so pleased my beautiful, kind spirited horse didnt end up with you.
No point trying to give advice as clearly you dont need it...if you cant figure out why a 5 year old of any breed in a new home being schooled in the manner you have described, blowing a gale and a horse cantering around him then i think you need to send him back before you ruin what will probably be a fantastic horse in the right hands.
And now im gonnna watch Mary Portas!
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Well said. And I'm off for Mary's wise words too :)
 
AengusOg said:
You simply asked how to stop him rearing, eh? Why, then, do you throw your toys out of the pram when you get sound advice?

Most people know why your horse is behaving the way he is, and most are too polite to tell you where you are going wrong. It's nothing to do with 'some idiot', it's because you are asking too much of a young horse which was bred to race and not to be held in and schooled before he is ready in his mind and body.

Send the horse back and sell your gadgets, and ask yourself why you would want a tb.
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HAHAHAHA A de gogue doesn't hold his head in, it teaches him to relax down, i don't recall his nose being tucked in or his neck strapped down at all actually.
I think you know exactly what winds be up which is exactly why that comment was written. I asked for advise not critisism. The fact he has been perfect twice with it on and only once with it on was he rearing tells you it's not the gadgets. He was also rearing when I tried him out dear so don't jump to conclusions :) I simply asked how to stop him, it's not rocket science.
Nahhh I'll keep the horse and the gadget thankssssssssssssss ;)
Ask yourself why would you get into an argument with me cause I'll win! (Y)
 
olivia_deane said:
gees, wish everyone wouldn't jump on the "she's not capable" band wagon!! There is a difference between sounds advice, encouragement and "OH MY GOD, A DE GOGUE SHE'S CRUEL, SHE'S RUSHING THINGS, OH MY GOD SAVE THAT HORSE"... cause guys, she just wanted some ideas!!.. she's obviously pretty prepared for what to expect, and if shes not shes on here aksing, trying to do her best, both horse and rider will learn with time, and the horse isn't going to break in the interim...

rant over... phew... just actually wanted to post a funny video of my tb when i first bought him that you made me thik of when you said jump all trotting poles at once :P... you only need watch the first ten secs :P... PS ignore riding!! haha i learnt with him (and nope... he didnt break)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGcTC4ZrDZM
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hahahahaha amazing! THANKS YOU BABE!
People on here are just SO SNOBBY AND WRONG. The old owners even told me to put the de gogue on!
Don't even know my circumstances and I even state I think it's best to take them off but no those two words "de gogue" I'm a crueeeel cow!;)
OOO I'll subscribe to youuu :D
The fact he was perfeccct today says it all really ;)
 
hopppydi said:
I dont post on here very often but have an ex racer myself so always take the time to read posts like this. Maybe ive had a bad day or am feeling hormonal but i have got to say this...you are so annoying and i am so pleased my beautiful, kind spirited horse didnt end up with you.
No point trying to give advice as clearly you dont need it...if you cant figure out why a 5 year old of any breed in a new home being schooled in the manner you have described, blowing a gale and a horse cantering around him then i think you need to send him back before you ruin what will probably be a fantastic horse in the right hands.
And now im gonnna watch Mary Portas!
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Sooooo I'm on a yard for training youngsters. My instructor that events has told me to use a de gogue which doesn't strap his head down and your bitchy comment is totally irrelevant. I'll take advise but not off snobs like you and your nasty comments. Don't post on my threads if you're going to write things like that! You can SEE why I get angry when things like THAT are said!
 
The simple answer of how to stop him rearing is to retrain him correctly.
And before you ask, yes, I do know how a de gouge works! I also re school rearers on a regular occasion and the last thing You would do with a rearer is strap its head in with no way out. I Would even go as far as suggesting draw reins than any gadget that cannot be released
.
The way you are going You are, at some point, going to have him come over on you.
What I can't understand is the point of your original post as you are obviously so knowledgable?!
Bizarre
 
Keeky said:
Sooooo I'm on a yard for training youngsters. My instructor that events has told me to use a de gogue which doesn't strap his head down and your bitchy comment is totally irrelevant. I'll take advise but not off snobs like you and your nasty comments. Don't post on my threads if you're going to write things like that! You can SEE why I get angry when things like THAT are said!
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Oh get over yourself...do you have an issue with your socio-economic classification? And just to clarify i didnt mention the de gogue or strapping his head down. Also I have had it confirmed by my butler and maid that i am defo not a snob so there
 
charlie76 said:
Wasn't that you tube video posted by some one else the other day?
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wtf you're still posting -_-
His old owners told me to put it on. & Seriously if you read the original post properly "best to take them off while he's rearing" i could literally explodeeee at the comments i've had responded to me in this forum!
You all sound about 10! Ok my patience may be short with rude critisism but reallllllly!? Telling me to send my horse back and basically calling me a crap rider is just hilair! You cannot judge just by a de gogue because he was perfect in it today!
Oh thanks my horse is gonna come down on top of me :)
Have you asked how big hes gone up with me?
How much he does it?
Was it a one off?
Did I have the de gogue on sinse?
hmmmmm nah!
 
Can you make your mind up with exactly whom recomended the "gadget" .... the lady at the shop or your boss???

bit confused, but then snobby stuck up ejits usually do get confused when they read such a load of conflicting information.

God if i am this confused lord help the poor horse - if it even exists - and i really hope it does not
 
Gingerwitch said:
Can you make your mind up with exactly whom recomended the "gadget" .... the lady at the shop or your boss???

bit confused, but then snobby stuck up ejits usually do get confused when they read such a load of conflicting information.

God if i am this confused lord help the poor horse - if it even exists - and i really hope it does not
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You really are a witch aren't you :)
 
Do You know what... I haven't spent time and effort becoming the person I am in the equestrian world to Have time for silly little people like you. Yes,carry on the way You are going and he will come over on You, gadget or no gadgets.
To be perfectly blunt who cares if he does. Your horse, ruin it how you like. Good luck!
 
Gingerwitch said:
Can you make your mind up with exactly whom recomended the "gadget" .... the lady at the shop or your boss???

bit confused, but then snobby stuck up ejits usually do get confused when they read such a load of conflicting information.

God if i am this confused lord help the poor horse - if it even exists - and i really hope it does not
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& it means lotssss of people are reccomending it? USUALLY?
I'm going by what I'm being reccomended to do. Some horses take it and some don't. & i don't think I posted in this forum asking about gadgets?? Just as I recall.

Yeah I think the horse understands what I'm asking, it's just a matter of using his brain really and most people do that quite well :)
 
lionman said:
And you really are a brat! Now piss off!
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This is a post that i started so you piss off! You've just scraped in here from nowhere now is the time to scrape back out and that wasn't funny it was an awful comeback. Something you need to work on :)
 
See, Reg threatens to go up on occasion. Had him 2 years now, and he's never ever gone more than half rear. He's also never had his head held anywhere and works in a soft, relaxed outline and is a very mannerly and kind ride.

To counteract olivia_deane's video, here's mine charting these 2 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYBwOtj_LM&feature=channel_video_title

As you can see, the emphasis was on ensuring he went forwards happily at all times. Once he was going forwards into a steady contact of his own choosing, he was asked to do the harder stuff. Until this year, he was hardly asked to work in a true, 'up' outline- now he is scoring 65%+ and improving at the rate of knots! It might have taken a while longer, but he is a very happy and relaxed horse. HOWEVER, his response to stress or worry is to stop going forwards and start going up- a gadget when he was less secure would have freaked him out. He hacked in draw reins for a while to remedy his realisation that if he inverted and rushed Al had nothing she could do but they were chosen because they could be dropped as soon as he stopped!

Please take your time- there is all the time in the world for him to do the grown up stuff. He's still only a baby!!
 
Some horses take a gadget and some don't! Correct, mine do, yours doesn't evidently by its behaviour.
Usually its not the actual gadget they object To but the lack of basic schooling before use or the rider or handler at the other end.
 
Gosh look at the time.... you really should be tucked up in your bed with a few little teds, then you can throw them out again.

nighty night, sweet dreams ... now where were you.... oh yep - the 5 year old that rears and rears and rears, straight off the track , oh has it had 6 months off..... or was it a year...... was it cantering a circle or was it rearinig..... ohhh all these stories I cant quite remember what I have posted..... never mind I will ask the lady at the shop, the instructor at my yard, oh no my instructor that compets at a high level..... oh getting in a bit of a mess - now was it a 5 year old....
 
charlie76 said:
Some horses take a gadget and some don't! Correct, mine do, yours doesn't evidently by its behaviour.
Usually its not the actual gadget they object To but the lack of basic schooling before use or the rider or handler at the other end.
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Ive called the vet out to check his teeth and back for next week!
He has been a star in it twice, it's just yesterday was really odd! Gonna give him time to adapt to it all as I originaly said I wasn't going to ride in itttt but nobody seems to undderstand in here :D
Yeahh got a lesson next week with one of the instructors and a friend helping everyday on foot who is great help :)
Any recommendationsss?
 
Has the lady in the shop seen your horse ridden? If not, How on earth can her advice be taken?
As for your instructor, What are her qualifications or claim to fame?
 
Lolo said:
See, Reg threatens to go up on occasion. Had him 2 years now, and he's never ever gone more than half rear. He's also never had his head held anywhere and works in a soft, relaxed outline and is a very mannerly and kind ride.

To counteract olivia_deane's video, here's mine charting these 2 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYBwOtj_LM&feature=channel_video_title

As you can see, the emphasis was on ensuring he went forwards happily at all times. Once he was going forwards into a steady contact of his own choosing, he was asked to do the harder stuff. Until this year, he was hardly asked to work in a true, 'up' outline- now he is scoring 65%+ and improving at the rate of knots! It might have taken a while longer, but he is a very happy and relaxed horse. HOWEVER, his response to stress or worry is to stop going forwards and start going up- a gadget when he was less secure would have freaked him out. He hacked in draw reins for a while to remedy his realisation that if he inverted and rushed Al had nothing she could do but they were chosen because they could be dropped as soon as he stopped!

Please take your time- there is all the time in the world for him to do the grown up stuff. He's still only a baby!!
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Thanks for your commentt :)
Won't use the de gogue until he settles and is working forward, it was literally to tell him he can relax his head down! Only used it today to lunge in and then 5 minutes to ride and he was a star!:)
You have any videos of yourss?:)
I always pick up techniques off people with ex race horses like on youtube etc :D
Like KREquestrian her youtube is literally of just bringing on thoroughbreds, amazing!
She's always so helpful too:)xx
 
charlie76 said:
Has the lady in the shop seen your horse ridden? If not, How on earth can her advice be taken?
As for your instructor, What are her qualifications or claim to fame?
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No she hasn't :/ You're righttt! haha
What do you mean claim to fame :/ Google her Shari Butchart and has a family run yard with her parents and two sisters
She has up to her stage 4 bhs
 
to the OP

why do you take on board "recommendations" from person X, Y and Z some of which havent seen your horse, yet if other HHO'ers "recommend" that perhaps the de gogue is causing the problem is is "critisism"?

See, the thing is, you came here asking for help, and it was given, but you dont like what you hear. I sympathise with you, i really do - ive been there, and you dont want to encourage the rearing because it is dangerous.

The logical answer is to subtract everything and take it back to its minimal configuration - horse, saddle, bridle, rider. Just walk for 10 minutes in the school and concentrate on getting the horse relaxed. Hacking is a good way to chill a horse, if that works for him.
Chilled out horses dont rear.

Speaking from experience, as i am sure a lot of people are.

Also, it is just the internet. Please dont take it too much to heart. But beware when you portst on the internet asking for advice, then you will get it.
 
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