red jackets

[Tiddlypom]

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I know they're actually red, but 20 years ago we'd all have been told off for calling them such. Tradishun and all that.

Depending on which way the wind blew and who you were talking to you could could get a real put down for referring to hunt coats as pink (as Clodagh said, that’s because a posh outfitter called Mr Pink used to make them), or red coats.

The first is outmoded and the second shows you are ignorant of hunting etiquette.

Best not to mention the colour at all, it‘s safer! Let alone refer to them as jackets .

 

[Sandstone1]

Because they feel they stand out wearing them and the sabs concentrate on them thinking they’re in control of hounds which of course they’re f they’re just subscribers they’re not.

Or in many hunts case no one is in control as they frequently kill foxes which is of course illegal......

 

[lannerch]

Or in many hunts case no one is in control as they frequently kill foxes which is of course illegal......

You’re wrong sandstone if you truly followed the hunt you would be surprised to find out that hunts are now totally legal, my local hunt certainly is .

 

[Clodagh]

Interesting! Every day is a learning day
I've never heard anyone described as a "red coat" by anyone other than antis.

Me neither. Except the people in Hi de Hi.

 

[Sandstone1]

You’re wrong sandstone if you truly followed the hunt you would be surprised to find out that hunts are now totally legal, my local hunt certainly is .

Im not wrong. How do you explain hunts holding up if they are following a trail? How did the warwickshire kill a fox a couple of weeks ago? Maybe your hunts legal but most are not. Im not getting in to it on this thread but do not tell me I am wrong when its clear for all to see.

 

[ycbm]

You’re wrong sandstone if you truly followed the hunt you would be surprised to find out that hunts are now totally legal, my local hunt certainly is .

Can I just clarify? Are you suggesting that you think ALL hunts are now hunting legally?
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[ycbm]

Me neither. Except the people in Hi de Hi.

Red coats are Butlins. Hi de Hi were yellow. It matters, you know.

 

[Clodagh]

Red coats are Butlins. Hi de Hi were yellow. It matters, you know.

Devil is in the detail!

 

[Andie02]

Actually they aren’t pink, they used to be made by Mr Pink, hence they were pinks but really they are red or scarlet.

Always known as scarlet back in the day when I was hunting.

 

[ycbm]

Can I just clarify? Are you suggesting that you think ALL hunts are now hunting legally?
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Lannerch if your tick in answer to this question means yes then I can assure you that you're wrong. The hunt nearest me (key member's livery stables are one mile away) are well known still to be hunting fox and there are similar reports from forum members all around the country.
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[lannerch]

Lannerch if your tick in answer to this question means yes then I can assure you that you're wrong. The hunt nearest me (key member's livery stables are one mile away) are well known still to be hunting fox and there are similar reports from forum members all around the country.
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Usual sab drivel and very happily for the majority of the country , ( can’t account for all hunts) not true , illegal hunting is a rarety only done by the foolish who want to destroy any form of hunting and certainly not by the majority. And by the way the season hasn’t even started yet.

I am not prepared to hijack this thread , the red coats will be out of the cupboards next week , have found it very interesting reading who is entitled to wear . Love a bit of tradition .

 

[ycbm]

Usual sab drivel and very happily for the majority of the country , ( can’t account for all hunts) not true , illegal hunting is a rarety only done by the foolish who want to destroy any form of hunting and certainly not by the majority. And by the way the season hasn’t even started yet.

I am not prepared to hijack this thread , the red coats will be out of the cupboards next week , have found it very interesting reading who is entitled to wear . Love a bit of traditioniin.

I'm not a sab.

I didn't use the word majority.

I want to hunt but I can't as my two closest hunts both hunt fox. It is not rare.
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[Sandstone1]

Usual sab drivel and very happily for the majority of the country , ( can’t account for all hunts) not true , illegal hunting is a rarety only done by the foolish who want to destroy any form of hunting and certainly not by the majority. And by the way the season hasn’t even started yet.

I am not prepared to hijack this thread , the red coats will be out of the cupboards next week , have found it very interesting reading who is entitled to wear . Love a bit of tradition .

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=985445449223023

Taken a few days ago, clearly hunting a trail. NOT.

 

[lannerch]

All I can say is if you don’t believe me ask to join your local hunt for a day , they are a friendly bunch your be most welcome , then you can see for yourself.

 

[Sandstone1]

All I can say is if you don’t believe me ask to join your local hunt for a day , they are a friendly bunch your be most welcome , then you can see for yourself.

Sadly I have seen for myself. You are very sadly deluded if you think all hunts are hunting legally. Do not tell me I am wrong. Enjoy your "Red coat" while you can.

 

[lannerch]

I'm not a sab.

I didn't use the word majority.

I want to hunt but I can't as my two closest hunts both hunt fox. It is not rare.
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That is sad

 

[Parrotperson]

Of the three local hunts to me all are fox hunting

When I lived in Gloucestershire I could get fairly easily to four hunts. All were fox hunting.

I know because I was grooming for people who went out. I saw foxes killed in front of me on more than one occasion and the first question I would ask at 2nd horse would be ‘have you found?’ And then of course they would say how many (or not) they’d killed.

Some may well be trail hunting. But a lot went straight back to hunting foxes as soon as they could get away with after the ban.

 

[lannerch]

Of the three local hunts to me all are fox hunting

When I lived in Gloucestershire I could get fairly easily to four hunts. All were fox hunting.

I know because I was grooming for people who went out. I saw foxes killed in front of me on more than one occasion and the first question I would ask at 2nd horse would be ‘have you found?’ And then of course they would say how many (or not) they’d killed.

Some may well be trail hunting. But a lot went straight back to hunting foxes as soon as they could get away with after the ban.

They did and they thought they would get away with it , but the tide is changing many are realising for the sport to continue that has to change to , they have to be totally legsl, and happily a lot have so you may well find things have changed .
My local hunt certainly has .

 

[Parrotperson]

Let’s hope they are Lannerch.

On chatting with a friend who hunts in Gloucestershire recently they are still fox hunting on the two hunts she rides with.

 

[lannerch]

Let’s hope they are Lannerch.

On chatting with a friend who hunts in Gloucestershire recently they are still fox hunting on the two hunts she rides with.

That’s also really sad and in that case they are their own worst enemies . I’m willing to bet most of their followers would prefer them to legally hunt although it’s a pity they do not boycott them in favour of those that do!

 

[Sandstone1]

That’s also really sad and in that case they are their own worst enemies . I’m willing to bet most of their followers would prefer them to legally hunt although it’s a pity they do not boycott them in favour of those that do!

Any apology for telling me I am wrong that a lot of hunts are still hunting? I am afraid its you thats wrong.

 

[Rowreach]

In an attempt to get things back on topic, it was masters (male), hunt staff and male hunt members (not mere subscribers) who were entitled to wear scarlet. Big difference, as members pay quite a bit more to hunt than subscribers, or have masses of land over which the hunt is allowed access, or are farmer members (although the proper farmer members as opposed to the landed gentry generally wore black). Subscribers who perform useful services for the hunt would be awarded the hunt button which entitled them to wear them on an ordinary hunt coat instead of plain ones, and to change their collars to the hunt one.

A lot of hunts stopped wearing traditional scarlet when the ban came in and opted for plain dark colours instead.

And we would have been seriously reprimanded if we'd ever referred to it as "hunting pink"

This is an interesting thread on hunt tradition, if people want to turn it into another row, please would you go off to the Spot of Bother thread and do it there?

 

[Tiddlypom]

I didn’t know that hunt members ranked higher in hunt hierarchy than hunt subscribers - I though that the two terms were interchangeable?

I hunted with non posh packs, though, and my subscription was as a Pony Club member, which was probably right at the bottom of the pile - £6 per annum, IIRC .

 

[Clodagh]

I disagree RR. Not about the argument! But in my hunt knowledge once you were invited to wear the hunt button, if male you could get a red coat -if red was your hunts colour- (and those who do not have Great Grandpa’s historic garment to hand, remember cheap red coats run if wet ). Women got to wear the hunt collar, both could get hunt buttons. Which anyone east of the Tamar probably got from Sandon Saddlery.

 

[Clodagh]

I have a blue Birds Eye spot collar. Next doors hunt women had a red collar on a black jacket.

 

[Rowreach]

I didn’t know that hunt members ranked higher in hunt hierarchy than hunt subscribers - I though that the two terms were interchangeable?

I hunted with non posh packs, though, and my subscription was as a Pony Club member, which was probably right at the bottom of the pile - £6 per annum, IIRC .

Members are elected to the Hunt Club, subscribers subscribe to follow the Hunt.

 

[Rowreach]

I disagree RR. Not about the argument! But in my hunt knowledge once you were invited to wear the hunt button, if male you could get a red coat -if red was your hunts colour- (and those who do not have Great Grandpa’s historic garment to hand, remember cheap red coats run if wet ). Women got to wear the hunt collar, both could get hunt buttons. Which anyone east of the Tamar probably got from Sandon Saddlery.

Probably different buttons, there's often a members' button and a plainer button (with collar) that is awarded, rather than the one that you're invited to wear when elected to membership of the Hunt Club.

Mine is the plain button and collar given to me for my tendency to be the only person who regularly scraped people off the floor, caught loose horses and reunited them with each other. I was like a sweeper. OH was a farmer member and got the posh buttons. Neither of us would ever have been posh (or rich) enough to be full members

 

[Tiddlypom]

Members are elected to the Hunt Club, subscribers subscribe to follow the Hunt.

Ah, ok. Maybe the small packs that I hunted with didn’t have a hunt club, which I’ve not heard of, or maybe they did and it went over my head - quite possible .

As to different grades of subscribers, apart from us Pony Clubbers it was the farmers who got discounted rates. Everyone else I thought or believed to pay a standard sub.

 

[Clodagh]

Ah, ok. Maybe the small packs that I hunted with didn’t have a hunt club, which I’ve not heard of, or maybe they did and it went over my head - quite possible .

As to different grades of subscribers, apart from us Pony Clubbers it was the farmers who got discounted rates. Everyone else I thought or believed to pay a standard sub.

I hunted very cheaply on a farmers sub.

 

[ycbm]

I hunted very cheaply on a farmers sub.

You lucky xxxxxxx!