Reprimanding- Discussion

id threaten to send the bugger to station/ farm(?) 41 in France then sell it for a fortune-this would include transport and docs
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I wouldnt put up with a 'napper', hed be gotten rid of unless he was 'Milton' material, same with rearers
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That is what we are talking about, if you see some of the posts above. What would you do if the horse was acting up, when lead- Hence my reply.

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I wouldn't whip it thats for sure..

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What would you do then?
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I would make sure I had someone with me. One to lead and the other to encouage it forward from behind if required. I would use a whip if necessary and have done to teach a horse to lead. Driving whips are great for this if you're on your own. To me, this is basics..if a horse won't lead from the ground then you need to make it.
I thought this was a discussion about reprimanding..I don't reprimand using a stick..I use it as a back up. I use body language and tone of voice if I need to reprimand. I'm no bunny hugger but I have well mannered horses and have dealt with many, many ill mannered horses in my 20 odd yrs around horses..
Works for me anyhow
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It is about reprimanding- We've never said it is just about using the whip as a tool to reprimand; That is just part of the discussion.
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It is about reprimanding- We've never said it is just about using the whip as a tool to reprimand; That is just part of the discussion.
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Oh I know but its definitely got a 'whip' vibe about it especially in that we were referring to MissElz post.
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At the end of the day...my personal opinion is that I don't agree with using a whip to reprimand..as with smacking in general I feel its a loss of control and doesn't help in the long run...
 
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at last Honeypots...some one who speaks my language :0)

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Over to you... I've had my say now
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Except for that of course
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sorry people who I missed - appreciate all your back ups muchly as I do feel I speak a foreign language on here and not many agree with me
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Ive already started an arguement on another thread...
Rearing nappy horse - took a week to sort out going through how the horse thinks, why he is doing it, what can be fearful, is he messing about etc...The main point was just consistant pushing forward and asking gently. It worked in the end but I did have a good relationship with the ground by the end of it...This was all done in a school....I def recommend monty roberts tactics...apparently the red indians used a simular way of working and thats why they had such a good relationship with their horses. They were seen on an equal level.....
 
just to add to this - did you know that the whip used when driving is actually aided as a long hand so that if you need to pat the horse or communicate with it the whip helps. It is seen as a help and guide rather then a pushing forward/ naughty smack device.
 
Firstly I never go anywhere without a schooling whip. Even if it doesn't get used as intended I stick it out at right angles when I am being overtaken by cars and they give me a much wider berth as a result! My mare was nappy when I first got her and we had many a fight but she went forward even if it was one step at a time. I was always told you have less control on the ground and I must admit it wouldn't occur to me to get off. That would start a precedent as far as I'm concerned. I just follow any non response to my leg very swiftly with schooling whip reminder. My horse has never come home with a mark on her. I would be horrified if she did, but I do regullarly back up my leg with the stick. As I said, I never ride without one.
 
Here's my view on napping and reprimanding. Having owned a few horses that did nap I would say the easiest way to 'cure' napping is for the rider to work out that the horse is about to do it before the horse actually does it and deal with it then. When a horse is about to nap it shortens its neck, its head comes back up towards you and it starts to walk stilted. As soon as that horse shortens its neck you growl, boot or smack it. You have to be quick. As soon as that horse thinks I am going to nap you get after it. And the more you do it at the point the horse thinks nap, the less the horse will nap.

I did have one mare who was a terminal napper (but she did jump) I found the best way to deal with her as booting, smacking etc just made her rear and rear and completly switch off was once she napped, make her stand and turn her head in the direction I wanted to go as far as I could so that her nose touched my boot and then just sit there, and sit there and sit there, and eventually she would let out a big sigh and go in the direction that I wanted her to. The more I did it the less time it took before she gave in. Luckily she never napped anywhere dangerous.

The last thing I would ever do with a horse that napped though is get off it, you are in a far more dangerous situation on the ground trying to lead something that sat on it.
 
What an interesting 'discussion'.
I dont ride with a whip coz I cant get near my horse with one.
But if I was carrying one, I wouldnt be afraid to use it to back up what I was asking of them if needed.
 
Good training for day one eliminates the need ever to get yourself in a situation where excessive force was needed.

I've cured rearing nappers, by slapping them on the head with my hand (so not exactly hard, but unpleasant). Stopped all my horses from habitual evasion rearing (retraining I might add!).

I prefer decent spurs over a whip any day - I haven't got strong enough legs to do a strong constant squeeze to encourage them to move forwards (so in NH style, as soon as they move you remove the pressure, which teaches them to move off the leg).

As on the other thread, I will only ever get off when a) enclosed so if horse did break away, it won't get to a road and b) when its genuinely confused or scared.

Recently had to get off and lead 7 year old 'baby' accross a coffin ditch as he 'didn't get it' and beating him really wouldn't have helped as he was confused. However he walloped his hind legs on th ditch by not jumping, so I've still get to go back and reschool him with a jump over it so that he understands he needs to jump (guess I wasn't jumping high enough to show him!!!!)
 
Not read all this thread but to reply to the OP; in that situation I would have started with firmer aids and my voice to encourage, backed that up with the use of my stick behind my leg, then progressed to getting as close as she was happy with and making her walk sideways in front of the obstacle from side to side till she was prepared to walk through it or I might have tried walking in tight circles until she was prepared to walk where I wanted, or if that didn't work I'd have tried turning her and reversing her through the object.

I can't see a situation where I would have felt the only thing to do was to break off a "proper stick" and "whack" the horse repeatedly leaving weals so that it looked "like an RSPCA case" the next morning.
 
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Im not really going to say yes or no to this thread...the only thing I really want to say is that a horse allows you to sit on its back, it jumps because it wants to and it does things for you because it loves you and respects you...If it doesnt want to do something, no matter how hard you hit it or push it, it wont...end of....my thread on the other page my not come across in the right light to what other people have said. I believe in firmness but also gentleness and yes if a horse is playing up then a firm smack does sometimes work. The horses I have ridden in the past and done that to have just made them worse....I find that I only have to raise my voice around my horses and thats enough....I think its how you are as a person really and how your horse behaves.

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Agree with you,sums it up perfectly.
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