"Rescuing" horses from auctions

mariew said:
They're selling a couple of Suffolk fillies I think. If they can get traction maybe they should do a breeding programme.
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I think they heard you. There's a GFM page asking £32k to fund their breeding programme, which talks about how they will bring their home bred foals into their trekking centre. They mention Bella who is one of the foals listed for sale in last week's Facebook post.

They are asking for strong prices for the two foals, particularly the AA foal. From the pictures i was concerned about the conformation of the front legs (long sloping patterns??? - I'm not good at seeing good vs bad)
 
mariew said:
Holy moly.. this is going to turn into a 'how long can someone turn a business based on other people's donations. Interesting concept when you are not a charity.
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I personally think she's becoming manipulative to the idiots that are thinking she's some sort of rescue.

Don't breed for a year get your finances strong again would seem a sensible answer.

But no she's basically wanting people to pay for her to breed and keep her over priced treks going ..
 
BallyRoanBaubles said:
www.gofundme.com

Donate to Help us Save our Suffolk Punches (S.O.S) Breeding Programme, organized by Annie Rose

Hi I'm Annie and I breed Suffolk Punch heavy horses up in the L… Annie Rose needs your support for Help us Save our Suffolk Punches (S.O.S) Breeding Programme
www.gofundme.com www.gofundme.com
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I'm really annoyed that she's using the #saveoursuffolks tag which has been linked to the Suffolk Horse Society for years.

I'm not sure she's really leading the way in breeding for the future.
 
OrangeAndLemon said:
I think they heard you. There's a GFM page asking £32k to fund their breeding programme, which talks about how they will bring their home bred foals into their trekking centre. They mention Bella who is one of the foals listed for sale in last week's Facebook post.

They are asking for strong prices for the two foals, particularly the AA foal. From the pictures i was concerned about the conformation of the front legs (long sloping patterns??? - I'm not good at seeing good vs bad)
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I saw a suffolk foal with terrible front legs so its not just you. Im going to go and have a nosey now see if I can find it again for a proper look!
 
I think they just have too many horses, they say in another post they have a big group of next generation horses for next year, so how many are they keeping that aren’t bringing any money into the ‘business’
 
'Heavy rains are flooding fields and buildings, hay is expensive, feed is expensive...'

Er, yes, I think that the vast majority of us are experiencing these same issues. And many of us are working hard to fund our horses - which we keep by choice - without expecting strangers to prop us up.

And while it's none of my business if people choose to throw their cash at this "cause", it does irritate me that genuine equine charities are in dire straits.

Also, can anyone enlighten me re. the cost of setting up a breeding programme (£32k), especially if they are already breeding? I can imagine that vets' fees, care of mares & foals etc is expensive, but this sounds like a lot of money to 'set up' a programme.
 
SatansLittleHelper said:
Aren't they selling a couple of ridden horses too now?? Or did I misread that
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They're selling at least one, a 12 year old Clydie for £13k. Sounds like quite a lot to me but I'm prepared to admit I'm wrong, I don't know a great deal about the going rate for these horses.
Also selling two foals for what seems like quite a lot. IIRC the main reason they went to the now infamous auction earlier this year is because there were a couple of Suffolk fillies that they hoped would go for a reasonable price...ended up going for more than they were prepared to pay, but I think it was still a lot less that the sale price of their own foals.

It's extraordinary that they are able to raise so much money, but I can see that they are laying the cuteness stuff very heavily indeed, including 'foal cuddling'.

If they became a charity they'd be able to claim Gift Aid on donations. I don't know why they don't do this tbh.
 
£13k for a good ridden Clyde is about right but is this a 'good' ridden Clydesdale? If it is, why aren't they keeping it for the centre. I suspect it isnt suitable and there's something they aren't saying. Poor horse has only been with them a year.

As for the two Suffolk foals. Bella should be a stronger price so i wonder if her breeding limits the number of sparks matches available for her. I'm suspicious about the lack of photos. As for the AA filly, her price is a little higher than I'd expect.
 
OrangeAndLemon said:
£13k for a good ridden Clyde is about right but is this a 'good' ridden Clydesdale? If it is, why aren't they keeping it for the centre. I suspect it isnt suitable and there's something they aren't saying. Poor horse has only been with them a year.
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I know it was about 6 years ago now but I knew someone selling a superb all-rounder Clydie for much, much less - it was happy to hack, hunt, show, riding club stuff and had also done some prelim & novice dressage. I'm not sure what the horses at CHH do apart from go out on the rides...not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that at all, especially as that's literally all I do now!
But horses that aren't good all-rounders tend to bring lower prices.

Interesting that apparently some of the fans were saying that she shouldn't have to sell any of the horses - hence the latest fundraiser?
 
This popped up on my FB today (dunno why, I don't live anywhere near Cumbria and don't follow CHH):

www.bbc.co.uk

Cumbrian Heavy Horses riding centre under threat of closure

Cumbrian Heavy Horses is selling four of its horses and exploring other ways to "stay afloat".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Interestingly followers commenting on the BBC Cumbria FB post, seemingly annoyed about the implication the centre is/could end up closing down, while CHH are simultaneously plugging the GFM. I'm not sure it can be both ways? 'Donate because we're struggling so much but also don't suggest we might be shutting down'.

The GFM lists breeding costs and they seem to be conflating an RS/trekking business with a breeding one. I can't imagine that breeding horses is a time or cost effective way of producing horses for an RS?

Also the mention of BHS is interesting - one of the RS I'm at has decided to try ABRS because they feel the BHS doesn't actually do anything practical to help RSs. I can imagine that now more than ever, good business and customer care knowledge is needed to keep things sustainable whereas in the past you might have been able to 'get away' with stuff being less than optimal.
 
It's all a ploy I'd say, have you seen her latest posts on FB?
Perhaps the stupid woman a, shouldn't be breeding horses she can't afford to keep,
B, shouldn't be buying unknown mongrels from auctions she can't afford.
C, use her house insurance for house repairs instead of saying she can't afford that either.

D. All this go fund me money is what now near 30k? That's a nice little tax dodge I'd say
 
OrangeAndLemon said:
£13k for a good ridden Clyde is about right but is this a 'good' ridden Clydesdale? If it is, why aren't they keeping it for the centre. I suspect it isnt suitable and there's something they aren't saying. Poor horse has only been with them a year.
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It could be innocuous, maybe the horse doesn't like having lots of different riders.
Or he could be a bucking bronco!
That's the challenge with for sale ads isn't it? Working out what's NOT been said.
 
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