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So let me get this straight. The YO found out about the horse getting PTS, they went and told the other liveries who said THEY didnt want to see a horse getting PTS on the yard. So rather than arrange a time that the yard could be empty of others for the deed being done he horse has to be sent to field which is conveniently still locked and a horse is PTS at the side of the road.

The mind boggles that peole are finding this ok, what has happened to compassion in the horsey world?? Heaven forbid any of those supporting this absolute outrageous situation and this clearly inconsiderate YO have to have a horse PTS and are denied basic compassion.

Disgusted really that people find this ok, I dont care about sides all im thinking of is at the end of the day this horse was PT at the side of a bloody road, I worked on a Yard and the YO ALWAYS was there for PTS as support for the livery she took it as a unplesant but necessary and compulsory part of her Role as a Yard owner. So why wasnt the YO with the livery to help and to make sure that everything went ok? Was it because they werent getting any money from this livery after the deed was done? Again not accusing just questions that are relevant to this whole sorry situation :(
 
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Still doesn't answer why the yard owner didn't want the horse put down on the yard, unfortunately where there is livestock there will be deadstock, if horse owners, yard owners ect don't want to face this then you are all in the wrong game. I managed a riding school up until recently, we have had many if the years euthanased or die of natural causes, even with fourth plus liveries, clients and members if public around we have never had any drama or hysterics, the job just is done quickly and quietly.
The while situation is odd and smacks of a very unprofessional organisation and very unfriendly horse owners who have obviously never been in that situation.
 
Should read fourty plus liveries.
To add, why couldn't it be done in a quiet time, vet and disposal people arrive together, job done. Horse removed. All of five to ten mins.
 
charlie76 said:
Still doesn't answer why the yard owner didn't want the horse put down on the yard, unfortunately where there is livestock there will be deadstock, if horse owners, yard owners ect don't want to face this then you are all in the wrong game. I managed a riding school up until recently, we have had many if the years euthanased or die of natural causes, even with fourth plus liveries, clients and members if public around we have never had any drama or hysterics, the job just is done quickly and quietly.
The while situation is odd and smacks of a very unprofessional organisation and very unfriendly horse owners who have obviously never been in that situation.
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Exactly. I have had to pts animals in public places and there are ways and means of doing it discretely and professionally.
 
Oh and one final question, do people honestly think it is normal for the yard owner to confer with the other liveries to receive permission for an owner to have a horse put down?
Really? Never in all my years running a yard would I ever sought permission from other owners to do such a thing. It is not their business!
A yard owner is there to support clients in such times. Not involve the whole yard and make a sad situation a hundred times worse.
And then, to really rub it in, come on a public forum to berate the owner some more.
Now that is unbelievable!
 
charlie76 said:
Oh and one final question, do people honestly think it is normal for the yard owner to confer with the other liveries to receive permission for an owner to have a horse put down?
Really? Never in all my years running a yard would I ever sought permission from other owners to do such a thing. It is not their business!
A yard owner is there to support clients in such times. Not involve the whole yard and make a sad situation a hundred times worse.
And then, to really rub it in, come on a public forum to berate the owner some more.
Now that is unbelievable!
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A point well made.
 
Black Beastie said:
Disgusted really that people find this ok:(
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I agree, speaking for myself, I don't 'find this ok.' And if the person who posted the original thread was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it is an appalling situation.

I think some of us just get fed up with the lynch mob mentality on here sometimes.

The fact is we don't know who is telling the truth or not, probably both parties think they are but one is always inclined to 'stretch' things somewhat to get people on one's side.

So really, without the facts I think most of us (including me! :o) should probably pipe down.

Now I'm offskies to bed. The last thing I need is another HHO fisticuffs. :rolleyes:
 
casinosolo said:
I agree, speaking for myself, I don't 'find this ok.' And if the person who posted the original thread was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth then it is an appalling situation.

I think some of us just get fed up with the lynch mob mentality on here sometimes.

The fact is we don't know who is telling the truth or not, probably both parties think they are but one is always inclined to 'stretch' things somewhat to get people on one's side.

So really, without the facts I think most of us (including me! :o) should probably pipe down.

Now I'm offskies to bed. The last thing I need is another HHO fisticuffs. :rolleyes:
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Then there would be no point anybody posting any replies other than "Sorry to hear that"!! The whole point of a forum is to discuss topics. Anybody who posts a thread is obviously wanting a response.
 
Well, op, if you came on here with your post hoping to clear the name of the yard, I think you failed. You would have been better off to have said nothing and let it die down. Lesson learnt I hope, retaliation on a public forum never improves any situation
 
Sorry but whatever yard I've been on, it's been a case of 'not being around' at the time of a horse being pts. Fix a time for vet and wagon to collect the body, tell all liveries to make themselves scarce during that time. Nobody wants to see a beloved pet put down, not even the owner. This thread seems very upsetting for all involved.
I hope if I ever have to make that decision to pts, it can be where my lad's been happiest, and surrounded by love.
 
Moomin1 said:
Ahh, so THIS poster IS plausible then?!! Thought you blasted other posters earlier on for making judgements on new posters and believing one but not the other?!!:rolleyes:
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Calm down for goodness sake.

I would like you to quote where I have blasted anyone on this thread for making judgements on new posters. I have highlighted and questioned why should we believe one new poster but not another. I have said what sounds plausible to me. You appear to have just blithely believed the first poster without question and that's fine, I've respected the way you think. You however have not given me the slightest bit of respect on this thread. You tried to belittle me with your "where on earth did you get that idea from? :rolleyes:" and I posted direct quotes from the person who said what they said. And I'll do it again now if you like because I actually do have manners; so yes as a matter of fact this response does sound plausible to me. The first posters initial post also seemed plausible to me for a while but then when she went on to give more details I felt her story had too many holes in it however I still gave her the benefit of the doubt and was not be unkind to her in any way. And can you believe it, but the initial post on this thread seemed plausible to me too. So there you go! Some people are capable of finding things plausible in all stories whether they be tall ones or not.

Racing yards have clients coming and going so obviously they wouldn't want a dead horse lying in the middle of the yard and anyway the way the yard has been described in this thread by an unbiased person who knows this yard, says it would be impractical for the horse to be PTS on the yard because of the layout.

I have a lot of horses and I also have clients come and go and no I don't want dead horses lying about in my yard. When regulars know there is a horse going to be PTS I do tell them and I do ask they stay away from the area that the horse will be put down in. Yes believe it or not but I do actually tell my regular clients what is going on here because THEY pay my wages so yes I think they have a right to know what's going on which is out of the ordinary. You see, unlike some I am not a dictator; I have relationships with my paying clients. I am surprised that the livery yard owners you people know of do not discuss horses being PTS with you, their paying clients. Horses for courses though.
 
Spring Feather said:
Calm down for goodness sake.

I would like you to quote where I have blasted anyone on this thread for making judgements on new posters. I have highlighted and questioned why should we believe one new poster but not another. I have said what sounds plausible to me. You appear to have just blithely believed the first poster without question and that's fine, I've respected the way you think. You however have not given me the slightest bit of respect on this thread. You tried to belittle me with your "where on earth did you get that idea from? :rolleyes:" and I posted direct quotes from the person who said what they said. And I'll do it again now if you like because I actually do have manners; so yes as a matter of fact this response does sound plausible to me. The first posters initial post also seemed plausible to me for a while but then when she went on to give more details I felt her story had too many holes in it however I still gave her the benefit of the doubt and was not be unkind to her in any way. And can you believe it, but the initial post on this thread seemed plausible to me too. So there you go! Some people are capable of finding things plausible in all stories whether they be tall ones or not.

Racing yards have clients coming and going so obviously they wouldn't want a dead horse lying in the middle of the yard and anyway the way the yard has been described in this thread by an unbiased person who knows this yard, says it would be impractical for the horse to be PTS on the yard because of the layout.

I have a lot of horses and I also have clients come and go and no I don't want dead horses lying about in my yard. When regulars know there is a horse going to be PTS I do tell them and I do ask they stay away from the area that the horse will be put down in. Yes believe it or not but I do actually tell my regular clients what is going on here because THEY pay my wages so yes I think they have a right to know what's going on which is out of the ordinary. You see, unlike some I am not a dictator; I have relationships with my paying clients. I am surprised that the livery yard owners you people know of do not discuss horses being PTS with you, their paying clients. Horses for courses though.
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First of all, where have I said "Where on earth did you get that idea from?":confused:

Secondly, where has anyone said that the YO shouldn't discuss pts with their clients?!! People have actually suggested they DO discuss it with the clients to let them know when and where pts is going to take place. Surely that would be the most respectful to both the horse owner and the other liveries?

With regard 'blasting' other posters, yes, maybe a strong word from myself. However you are hypocritical. You admit that you have suggested that people should not judge one poster's credibility from another's. You criticise others for having an opinion on the PLAUSIBILITY of one poster, and that you have manners. Yet you make it clear you disbelieve the initial poster, and now believe the latest poster, based on their PLAUSIBILITY. Reading this entire thread, you come across as the most hostile and rude person out of everyone.
 
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Moomin1 said:
First of all, where have I said "Where on earth did you get that idea from?":confused:
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Well if you'd read this thread then you would very quickly know that it was Rockysmum who said this. I apologise that you were not the one to say this, however to be perfectly honest you and Rockysmum have pretty much morphed into one on this thread. Both disrespectful of others points of views and both acting like a pair of blood-baying banshees. But it's quite obviously your show.
 
Spring Feather said:
Well if you'd read this thread then you would very quickly know that it was Rockysmum who said this. I apologise that you were not the one to say this, however to be perfectly honest you and Rockysmum have pretty much morphed into one on this thread. Both disrespectful of others points of views and both acting like a pair of blood-baying banshees. But it's quite obviously your show.
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Seriously?!! Just because someone (shock horror) HAS AN OPINION, JUST LIKE YOU, BUT DARES TO SAY IT, AGAINST YOU?!! You have your opinion, others have theirs. Deal with it.
 
And in response to your edited part regarding plausibility. As I said, parts of everyones stories were plausible to me (which means parts of their stories were credible). I'm sorry you found me to be rude and lacking in manners. Please post my direct quotes where I was rude and I will aim to rectify that.
 
Spring Feather said:
And in response to your edited part regarding plausibility. As I said, parts of everyones stories were plausible to me (which means parts of their stories were credible). I'm sorry you found me to be rude and lacking in manners. Please post my direct quotes where I was rude and I will aim to rectify that.
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Can't be arsed tbh!! Surely you can see where you have come across as rude to other posters?
 
Moomin1 said:
Seriously?!! Just because someone (shock horror) HAS AN OPINION, JUST LIKE YOU, BUT DARES TO SAY IT, AGAINST YOU?!! You have your opinion, others have theirs. Deal with it.
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What are you talking about? Where have I said people should not have opinions? I stood up and said that threats to ruin someone's business in real life based on a story we were all told by a one-time-poster were completely out of order. Where did I say no-one should have an opinion? Are you actually reading and understanding what I'm writing :confused:
 
Guys please! The horse involved is no longer here.. please show him the dignity he deserves by letting him rest in peace? No amount of arguing is going to bring him back, or make his owner, or the YO feel any better over this. Somethings are best left well alone..
 
Shadeyoak said:
Guys please! The horse involved is no longer here.. please show him the dignity he deserves by letting him rest in peace? No amount of arguing is going to bring him back, or make his owner, or the YO feel any better over this. Somethings are best left well alone..
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I'm quite sure the horse in question either doesn't know about this thread, or couldn't understand it anyway!! ;)
 
Shadeyoak said:
Guys please! The horse involved is no longer here.. please show him the dignity he deserves by letting him rest in peace? No amount of arguing is going to bring him back, or make his owner, or the YO feel any better over this. Somethings are best left well alone..
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Yes you're right, it's quite crass of us. Apologies.
 
Shadeyoak said:
Guys please! The horse involved is no longer here.. please show him the dignity he deserves by letting him rest in peace? No amount of arguing is going to bring him back, or make his owner, or the YO feel any better over this. Somethings are best left well alone..
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Perhaps it would have mattered more to the horse that he was shown the dignity he deserved when he was pts?!

We all have different beliefs, but I doubt the poor horse will be aware of HHO and the threads that are posted on it!
 
Can't quote as on phone- but moomin1,

"We all have different beliefs, but I doubt the poor horse will be aware of HHO and the threads that are posted on it!"

The horse won't be but the owner may be- and in whatever circumstances she has (have followed but not commented on this so far) I bet this isn't a pleasant thing for them to read. When my horse of a lifetime was PTS I had all the support from my YO that I needed (stock farmer) but still felt (still feel really...) very raw about the whole thing. Having people bitching at each other on threads about the subject is hardly going to make anything any better is it?

As you've said, the horse has gone, owner made a brave decision seemingly made worse by backlash in RL and now here- I feel heartily sorry for her at the moment, and really hope that she isn't reading the pages and pages this has now run to.
 
katastrophykat said:
As you've said, the horse has gone, owner made a brave decision seemingly made worse by backlash in RL and now here-
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Interestingly on this post there's no backlash against the OP in terms of having her horse put down, far from it. I think you may have misread the tone of the post.
 
horserider said:
Many people on here find it preferable to box a horse to the hunt, so the actions of the owner seemed a bit bloody minded and maybe that is really part of the problem.
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Why would you do that when the horse can be quietly put down at home, and then removed.........
 
unbeliving!!! said:
The YO was indeed unhappy for the horse to be pts in full view of everyone, it was discusssted other liveries also unhappy, therefore YO offered alternative field. The YO HAD opened a gate to field unfortatly the owner went to wrong gate and then failed to comuicate with YO.

YO was horrified and upset to find the horse had been pts on side of road! and even questioned vet as to why.
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It just gets worse really doesn't it??

Hopefully the YO has learnt a lesson from this episode and have an action plan in place for any other future destructions that may have to take place on the yard.

Basically, a major cock up.
 
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