response to yesterdays huge thread...

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mik said:
I hope you get some peace now. I think people need to be much slower to judge and much more willing to walk a few miles in the other persons' shoes on here.
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On HHO? You are joking, right?

I am astounded at some of the responses, last night's thread was bad enough, but to keep badgering on this one? Come on, the girl has made a difficult decision, right for her and her circumstances and that's all there is to it.

Exhausted, please accept my condolences (if that is the right word), so sorry you had to go through all this public lynching. You have done the right thing.
 
I'm so sorry that you have had to go through this, and thank you for coming online to explain your side of the story. Again, my sympathy is with you. Sounds like you tried your absolute hardest with your boy, and I agree you made the right decision by him, I take my hat off to you for that. I think its far more difficult to make a decision such as yours, compared to when there's no choice to have a horse PTS if its physically unable to recover. Its so easy to put your emotions/feelings first before you make such a decision like this, because the pain and heartache is so unbearable.

I wish you all the best and hope you have many happy years to come with your old boy.

RIP little pony
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I had lots of "you've done the right thing" and you "put your horse first" comments to my face, behind my back was a different story. Human nature I'm afraid, but as long as I know I did the right thing, and you know you did the right thing then that's what matters.
 
JosieB said:
So who do you believe .. person who wrote other post obviously concerned or the owner, both posting different versions of events. Its easy to sit at a pc and write a fairy story, there are certainly plenty on here who do it and there are definately people who write wonderful advice on here but it has been proved do not do that in real life. So I am not commenting. It is however a shame that the owner did not post on here before pony was pts as she may have got some very experienced advice. End of the day pony is dead, no good mulling it over now.
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Funny- thought you said you were'nt commenting!!!
 
I am grateful to the OP for posting her side of the story though as it was something that she did not have to do. I would like to add though that I do wish the OP well with her arab and I hope that she can one day sit down with Stacie and talk about this and settle their differences. x
 
I am another who read that thread but decided not to comment as quite frankly I would have been banned :(

You made the right choice, if only more people could do it. Am really not one for giving up on a horse and have put myself in some dangerous situations over the years. It was only the other day I was toying with the idea of a horse that was linked on here that sounded dangerous. But you can only do so much and it takes a strong brave person to say enough is enough nothing is working.

Amymay I am disgusted at what you had to put up with when you lost your horse some people are heartless.
 
Fantasy_World said:
I am grateful to the OP for posting her side of the story though as it was something that she did not have to do. I would like to add though that I do wish the OP well with her arab and I hope that she can one day sit down with Stacie and talk about this and settle their differences. x
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So why do you feel that it is anybody else's business when an owner has a horse pts?
 
annaellie said:
Amymay I am disgusted at what you had to put up with when you lost your horse some people are heartless.
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Less than what the OP has had to put up with publicly, and no more than other people who've been in similar positions.

Everyone knows better than the owners of these horses, unfortunately :o And it's why I say you never tell anyone that you are putting a horse down. It's called damage limitation.........
 
Anyone who comes onto a public forum and accuses another human being of 'murder' wants their head examined.

I looked at the original thread as I was intrigued to see what sort of one sided bunny hugging was going on, after all, the definition of the word is the premeditated murder of one human being by another; the word is not applicable to animals, no matter how emotive you may want to be, and is often the tool of extremists or naifs.

I know there will always be people who hold with the 'all animals are born innocent' argument, but genetics and brain chemistry always make room for imbalances to occur, so those that believe that argument are naive. For example, it has been shown that there is a gene that is often expressed in serial offenders, including murderers, but not in 'normal' folk, while some horses that appear to be 'crazed' often have tumours, degenerative brain conditions or have pain that just can't be diagnosed. Time, patience and love doesn't always conquer all unfortunately.

Exhausted, I hope that the support from this thread gives you some hope in human character again and that you can recover from all you have gone through recently.
 
amymay said:
Explain.
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This is based on horse ownership and does not include any horses bred for meat or the thousands of equines that are over bred each year that end up with the same fate..... that is another matter and not what I am discussing here.

Horses have rights, they have a right to live. As owners we should always ensure to do the best by them.
I have no issues with a horse being pts that is injured or in pain or has a condition which cannot be managed without a detrimental effect to its welfare or quality of life.
Neither do I have an issue in a dangerous animal being pts so long as every possible training method and medical investigation has been explored to try and sort the issue.
I do though have an issue with a horse being destroyed that is otherwise healthy and which has either been failed by its owner ( current or previous) or one which is being pts for monetary reasons.
I would hope that any owner faced with the above situations would explore every avenue open to them. I know that I certainly would and would only pts as a last resort.
If people did not question the destruction of horses facing the bullet or needle then we would not have some of the loveliest horses around that find good homes they would be dead instead.
 
JosieB said:
So who do you believe .. person who wrote other post obviously concerned or the owner, both posting different versions of events.
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Personally I think very little of someone who posts about someone else's business online to the extent that that other person is able to identify themselves. Pretty poor show IMO. I know who I prefer to believe. It's not rocket science. :rolleyes:
 
I did not comment on previous thread and read alot but not all of the thread so don't know what happened in the end.

I don't know either poster from Adam but it's funny how some people choose to believe this one rather than the previous poster - you don't know 'Exhausted' isn't just another troll or a liar or fantasist any more than the original OP.

Personally I think people choose to believe what they want to believe to affirm their own feelings on the subject.
 
I would hope that any owner faced with the above situations would explore every avenue open to them. I know that I certainly would and would only pts as a last resort.
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Which I think, most people finding themselves in the situations you describe, would do.

Thanks you for explaining your views.
 
Exhausted - I didn't read yesterdays thread, but have read this thread, and have the giist of what yesterdays thread was about.

All I can say is that I am really saddened that you felt the need to write a really long explanation and defend yourself at 4am in the morning. On top of having just put your pony to sleep. I cannot imagine the angst you must be going through.

Please do get some sleep and look after yourself. And sod anyone else's opinion. It's no-one elses business.

Never ever forget, YOU knew your pony better than anyone else in the world. The busy bodies on this forum don't. YOU tried your hardest for him, YOU knew his fear, and YOU did what was best for him. Please don't torment yourself anymore, and please don't feel you owe anyone an explanation.

Other HHO members - can we please be polite to each other? For goodness sake, this poor woman is grieving. Its easy to type nasty comments to each other and abandon all sense of morality, after all we can hide behind our computer screens and we don't say the words to each other face to face. But the written word can sting more than a face to face conversation. The reader can read those words over and over again, whereas you rely on memory to replay a spoken conversation. Can we be more respectful with each other? I am really disgusted at the treatment dished out to Exhausted.
 
sussexbythesea said:
I don't know either poster from Adam but it's funny how some people choose to believe this one rather than the previous poster - you don't know 'Exhausted' isn't just another troll or a liar or fantasist any more than the original OP.

Personally I think people choose to believe what they want to believe to affirm their own feelings on the subject.
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It's not a case of people believing one person over another - it is the comments made by Stacie that the information she had was fact, when by her own admission they were not based around any conversation with the owner of the pony.

It was quite frankly none of her business. And all she has achieved is public humiliation for herself and terrible hurt for the 'owner'.
 
Fantasy_World said:
This is based on horse ownership and does not include any horses bred for meat or the thousands of equines that are over bred each year that end up with the same fate..... that is another matter and not what I am discussing here.

Horses have rights, they have a right to live. As owners we should always ensure to do the best by them.
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But that's ridiculous. Horses have the right to live, but not the ones in the first category?

So, some horses have the right to live? But not all? :confused:

That's just so dotty I'll leave it there. :rolleyes::D

IMO. :D
 
I hope you are feeling better exhausted and I also hope that you don't let the words of the muppet posters upset you. There were loads of us supportive to your plight, without even knowing your story. It is really obvious when you come on here often (as we do) that there are posters who really don't have the knowledge and experience to post but do so anyway often really ignorantly.

So, so sorry for your loss and I'm sure the ponio is galloping free over the rainbow bridge free at last from all his anguish.
 
Fantasy_World said:
Horses have rights, they have a right to live. As owners we should always ensure to do the best by them.
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Thats the biggest contradiction I think I have ever read.
Horses have the right to live? Yes, but at what cost? Someone getting hurt? The horse being neglected? The horse being beaten? The list could go on.
The owner should do their best by the horse.....in this case I believe the owner DID do the best thing by her horse.....and as he was HER horse, she obviously knew him better than anyone else!

PTS is not an easy route to take. Its full of emotion, and cost. Its not free to euthenise a horse. Taking a horse to market and selling it would get you a little money back. The horse would still be alive but with a VERY uncertain future.
As I said previously, the OP did the absolute right thing by her horse, and its a shame there are not more like her!
 
FionaM12 said:
But that's ridiculous. Horses have the right to live, but not the ones in the first category?

So, some horses have the right to live? But not all? :confused:

That's just so dotty I'll leave it there. :rolleyes::D

IMO. :D
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You are taking my comments out of context sheesh.......
I said that the first horses I mentioned were not being discussed in my post as that was another matter. Here I was discussing the average horse, owned by the average owner. The debates on over breeding, auction/sale horses and breeding for meat is another subject for another day. I did not say that any one horse has more of a right to live over another.
I find the horse meat trade deplorable and I am ashamed with the over production of horses and ponies, many of which go for meat for one animal or another. However that is a debate for another day and not what I was trying to discuss here.
I hope that alleviates your confusion.
 
joeanne said:
Thats the biggest contradiction I think I have ever read.
Horses have the right to live? Yes, but at what cost? Someone getting hurt? The horse being neglected? The horse being beaten? The list could go on.
The owner should do their best by the horse.....in this case I believe the owner DID do the best thing by her horse.....and as he was HER horse, she obviously knew him better than anyone else!

PTS is not an easy route to take. Its full of emotion, and cost. Its not free to euthenise a horse. Taking a horse to market and selling it would get you a little money back. The horse would still be alive but with a VERY uncertain future.
As I said previously, the OP did the absolute right thing by her horse, and its a shame there are not more like her!
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I suggest you re-read my above post and stop trying to take what I was saying out of context!
 
I just hope that Stacie can look back on this and learn a lesson from it. And I hope that in time Exhausted can forgive her (and her YO's) gossiping and assumptions.
 
Fantasy_World said:
This is based on horse ownership and does not include any horses bred for meat or the thousands of equines that are over bred each year that end up with the same fate..... that is another matter and not what I am discussing here.

I guess its rather a case of 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal then others' then?

The OP does not have to justify her actions, as an owner she had the ultimate responsibility of her animal, that is deciding its future, or not as the case may be. Its easy to say it could have found another home or it could have been 'cured' but who's to say that would be the case. We hear of too many cases of horses with behavioural/health issues being sold on where maybe the owners should have done the right thing and pts.

Quote "If people did not question the destruction of horses facing the bullet or needle then we would not have some of the loveliest horses around that find good homes they would be dead instead"

I'm sure there are a damn sight more with health/behavoural issues being passed from pillar to post.
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Taken hour to finally comment here, twice i've written long explanations and been logged out and forgotten to copy.

The baisic jist of it all was;

I didn't read orginal thread, Titles scremed "TROLL WITH AN AXE" to me.

Forget dreamers saying "it too late now" Get real, get a grip.

I'd rather a horse go a day early than a day late. I mean that as in no matter if its a danger to itself or others, It's a much more dignified way to go than for example, Being ripped by a fire crew crane from the windscreen of a car revealing a dead mutalated body in the passanger seat, then whilst being whinched onto recovery lorry said horses head coming from it's body. Oh, or the mare I sent back on the condition it was PTS as she was pure evil, turns out three weeks later I had "that" call, "you were right" she was re-sold to someone who though she was pretty and wouldnt take the fact she was dangerous, turns out mare took off, fell down a bank, broke both back legs at hip, had to be winched up the cliff face, banging and scraping the cliff face to be shot when lifted, rider was on life support which was eventually turned off. It certainly was too late then, too late for me to use my head an PTS myself, Too late to apologise to the woman.

"Evil" - regarding this, please, if you really belive this, come and see three of the stallions I'm with day in day out, Grandad, Dad and son, all by mares of simular personality/nature from the same bloodline, from the same stud. The son is to be cut, if he can not be used as a field companion (only use I can find for him!) he will be having the bullet, harsh, but reality is in the world of someone who thinks animals can tell you what they want and whats wrong. And to add, Have a google for schizoaffective disorder, this is what they now say my problem is. I admit, I am pure evil on times, I can act in a vile manner. I was not dragged up but brought up by honest, respectful and loving parents who rarley "shouted" at me and never once raised a hand to me. There is no real mental illness in my family history either. Was my problem man made? nope. I was born like it without explanation.


OP, You have restored a little of my faith as far as an independant, upfront and responsible human being goes. There are not many out there with these features anymore and those who have it need not answer or explain thier actions to ANYONE. You may have ended a life in an honourable and respectful way and people may try to make you feel guilty, but scroll up, the pride of giving the animal a dignified ending is enough to forget any of the guilt trips and the harsh reality of "what if's" have been eliminated. Well done, I wish you all the best and I apologise for the way you have been treated, I wish I could say you will recieve more apologies, but I highly doubt it.


ETA, If this woman was on your yard, then coming online to discuss your decision with this animal I certainly hope she will be given notice. It would not be tollerated on my yard.
 
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joeanne said:
I dont believe I HAVE taken it out of context. You said they have a right to live....I asked at what cost. Not out of context at all!
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I would add, how could that "right" be enforced? Would every private person, putting their horse to sleep after consultation with their vet, have to explain themselves to anyone who asked? Including gossipy youngsters clamouring about "murder"?

It's obviously not so. It's the owner's right to choose and they need discuss it with no-one. Horses are not people.
 
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