siani1989
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right or wrong >?!?!?!
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scrat
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Just a thought, does the babies father know the risk the mother of his child is taking? Maybe his attention should be drawn to this reckless behaviour and the terrible outcome should the horse fall/ spook/ drop dead etc.
siani1989
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yes he is aware and comes down and helps her get on
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Serephin
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I don't see the big deal myself *prepares to be shot down* - I doubt it is something I would do - but its legal, its her child, her husband obviously supports her. Accidents can happen no matter what you do in life. She is obviously enjoying herself and her baby and her horse.
You can't make stupidity illegal.
You can't make stupidity illegal.
DipseyDeb
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SPEECHLESS!!!!!
Daisy11
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lady on our yard gave birth about a year ago and from been 1 -2mnths old has been taking her baby out since tht age in those carry things what you put around front of you on the main road, she thinks its safe on a 32 yr old mare but is very fiesty still what do u think on this subject,baby is now 1 yr old
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its completely wrong even if you trusted that horse etc u still wouldnt put such a young child on a horse like that has the girl got any sence i would get police involved sorry but thats my view
lady on our yard gave birth about a year ago and from been 1 -2mnths old has been taking her baby out since tht age in those carry things what you put around front of you on the main road, she thinks its safe on a 32 yr old mare but is very fiesty still what do u think on this subject,baby is now 1 yr old
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its completely wrong even if you trusted that horse etc u still wouldnt put such a young child on a horse like that has the girl got any sence i would get police involved sorry but thats my view
Silverspring
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I don't see the big deal myself *prepares to be shot down* - I doubt it is something I would do - but its legal, its her child, her husband obviously supports her. Accidents can happen no matter what you do in life. She is obviously enjoying herself and her baby and her horse.
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I'm with you, it's her baby and it's her choice. It wasn't that unheard of for woman to ride with babies 30 or 40 years ago, if you need to ride and you don't have a baby sitter what else can you do?
I don't see the big deal myself *prepares to be shot down* - I doubt it is something I would do - but its legal, its her child, her husband obviously supports her. Accidents can happen no matter what you do in life. She is obviously enjoying herself and her baby and her horse.
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I'm with you, it's her baby and it's her choice. It wasn't that unheard of for woman to ride with babies 30 or 40 years ago, if you need to ride and you don't have a baby sitter what else can you do?
JM07
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Social services might not be very happy with it!
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what the hell would they have to do with it????
Social services might not be very happy with it!
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what the hell would they have to do with it????
kombikids
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if you need to ride and you don't have a baby sitter what else can you do?
you do what the rest of the world do put your child first and steal rides whenever you can:
1.get a babysitter/nanny
2.put in a pram/car and park next to school
3.beg OH and ride at 6am or 9pm
4.find someone else on yard with child and swap
i have a young child and manage it so there is no excuse.
you do what the rest of the world do put your child first and steal rides whenever you can:
1.get a babysitter/nanny
2.put in a pram/car and park next to school
3.beg OH and ride at 6am or 9pm
4.find someone else on yard with child and swap
i have a young child and manage it so there is no excuse.
soph21
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if you need to ride and you don't have a baby sitter what else can you do?
you do what the rest of the world do put your child first and steal rides whenever you can:
1.get a babysitter/nanny
2.put in a pram/car and park next to school
3.beg OH and ride at 6am or 9pm
4.find someone else on yard with child and swap
i have a young child and manage it so there is no excuse.
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Well said!!
If I dont have a baby sitter or she's not in pre school, I can't ride! .... Simple as that! Nothing I can do about it. But I wouldnt take her out sat in front of me!
if you need to ride and you don't have a baby sitter what else can you do?
you do what the rest of the world do put your child first and steal rides whenever you can:
1.get a babysitter/nanny
2.put in a pram/car and park next to school
3.beg OH and ride at 6am or 9pm
4.find someone else on yard with child and swap
i have a young child and manage it so there is no excuse.
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Well said!!
If I dont have a baby sitter or she's not in pre school, I can't ride! .... Simple as that! Nothing I can do about it. But I wouldnt take her out sat in front of me!
skewbaldpony
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stupid woman.
it is definitely dangerous and can't imagine the damage this could do.
I would contact social services anyway, just because they log reports and it all counts. Then I would go to your gps surgery and ask to talk to the health visitor, and explain what is going on. She may be able to think of a route to take.
it is definitely dangerous and can't imagine the damage this could do.
I would contact social services anyway, just because they log reports and it all counts. Then I would go to your gps surgery and ask to talk to the health visitor, and explain what is going on. She may be able to think of a route to take.
Ottinmeg
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is there not a law regarding children under a certain age riding on the roads without a hat? The woman is mad,if she was to fall the weight of the baby strapped to her front is going to alter whichever way she falls. It doesn't bear thinking about if she was to fall off and land face down. I think if you can find out who the health visitor is then they should certainly be able to do something and you could also ring the SS and just enquire as to what there opinion would be of someone doing this sort of thing. I mean, surely the woman is deliberately putting the baby in a dangerous situation even if the daft cow can't see that?
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Surely no one ever NEEDS to ride so much that they risk their childs life?
nic85
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I cant see that reporting her to social services will acheive anything other than upset for her. It would be like someone phoning the bloody RSPCA because you have put your horse out without a rug on and its raining or something
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My guess is this woman sees nothing wrong in what she is doing. if your that worried maybe ask her why she feels the need to ride with the baby strapped to her front?? If I saw her I would.
Like many others I manage to ride whilst my 15 month old sits in his pushchair and watches me ride in the school. If i have nobody to watch him I dont hack out. ( I cant afford nursery)
And as it is legal whos going to do what?? nobody and nothing...the reason its legal is because it was probably the way people used to get around in the good old days!!
My guess is this woman sees nothing wrong in what she is doing. if your that worried maybe ask her why she feels the need to ride with the baby strapped to her front?? If I saw her I would.
Like many others I manage to ride whilst my 15 month old sits in his pushchair and watches me ride in the school. If i have nobody to watch him I dont hack out. ( I cant afford nursery)
And as it is legal whos going to do what?? nobody and nothing...the reason its legal is because it was probably the way people used to get around in the good old days!!
Fantasy_World
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QR This woman seriously needs a talk about health and safety imo. It is one thing to risk a potential injury to yourself aboard a horse but to involve a baby ( 1 year old is still a baby in my eyes) is diabolical.
As people have already pointed out if the lady did happen to fall off the horse for whatever reason I cannot imagine all the risks to that baby's health. For one it doesn't even have proper head protection. Skull aside that is, which is still vulnerable at that age.
The old adage well people used to ride carrying their babies years ago does not wash with me. Perhaps in some cultures they still do. However their reasons for being on horseback in the first place is entirely different. Horses are used for work and transportation and have been since domestication. In this case we are not talking about a red Indian squaw or other member of a tribe/sect taking their children with them as they have no other choice, but we are instead talking about a woman who lives in the modern western world with full access to childcare facilities ( if needed, and yes I am speculating that but I don't think anyone would disagree with me that some sort of childcare would be available to this person, even if just a friend or relative for an hour or two at least) who is choosing to ride her horse for pleasure and not because she needs to get from A to B, hunt, or protect their homes/way of life. If that is what was meant by women having taken their babies with them on horseback then there is no comparison at all in my opinion between those people and the lady being discussed here.
Christ knows if she falls off who will protect the baby? Even if she fell off sideways and not forwards then there is still a huge risk of impact with the floor for that baby. Gosh how can people be so naive? I mean the child is not even old enough to help protect itself from a fall due to its age and also if its body is trapped in a sling attached to the mother.
I used to be fearful when I used one for a short time with my daughter and would never have both hands full with shopping or similar. I would always make sure one hand/arm was free to help support and particularly if I was unlucky enough to trip and fall ( didn't though thank gawd). But for me to consider taking my daughter in a baby sling on a horse, no way, no matter how well I knew the bloody horse.
Horses are animals end of. They have their own minds to make up and can react to the oddest of things no matter how bloody bombproof they appear to be. I am sorry but the risk is too great. No child should ever be on a horse/pony with no hat on the roads, across hard surfaces or in fast work in my opinion.
FWIW I also agree about baby seats on push bikes as well. At least in a car in an accident a baby does have some sort of a chance of survival but on a bicycle in an accident with a motor vehicle how the hell does a little one stand a chance?
No imo they should be banned on bikes and children only allowed to accompany their parents on a bike in a seat (or similar) when over the age of 5/6 and must wear a safety hat too.
I think what makes me laugh about all this is that we have different protocols for health and safety at work -and the red tape can be a pain in the ass sometimes -as jobs/locations have to be risk assessed but yet at the same time we can treat our own children ( who are individuals in their own right) with contempt and place them in situations that even the most accommodating health and safety officers would cringe at!
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As people have already pointed out if the lady did happen to fall off the horse for whatever reason I cannot imagine all the risks to that baby's health. For one it doesn't even have proper head protection. Skull aside that is, which is still vulnerable at that age.
The old adage well people used to ride carrying their babies years ago does not wash with me. Perhaps in some cultures they still do. However their reasons for being on horseback in the first place is entirely different. Horses are used for work and transportation and have been since domestication. In this case we are not talking about a red Indian squaw or other member of a tribe/sect taking their children with them as they have no other choice, but we are instead talking about a woman who lives in the modern western world with full access to childcare facilities ( if needed, and yes I am speculating that but I don't think anyone would disagree with me that some sort of childcare would be available to this person, even if just a friend or relative for an hour or two at least) who is choosing to ride her horse for pleasure and not because she needs to get from A to B, hunt, or protect their homes/way of life. If that is what was meant by women having taken their babies with them on horseback then there is no comparison at all in my opinion between those people and the lady being discussed here.
Christ knows if she falls off who will protect the baby? Even if she fell off sideways and not forwards then there is still a huge risk of impact with the floor for that baby. Gosh how can people be so naive? I mean the child is not even old enough to help protect itself from a fall due to its age and also if its body is trapped in a sling attached to the mother.
I used to be fearful when I used one for a short time with my daughter and would never have both hands full with shopping or similar. I would always make sure one hand/arm was free to help support and particularly if I was unlucky enough to trip and fall ( didn't though thank gawd). But for me to consider taking my daughter in a baby sling on a horse, no way, no matter how well I knew the bloody horse.
Horses are animals end of. They have their own minds to make up and can react to the oddest of things no matter how bloody bombproof they appear to be. I am sorry but the risk is too great. No child should ever be on a horse/pony with no hat on the roads, across hard surfaces or in fast work in my opinion.
FWIW I also agree about baby seats on push bikes as well. At least in a car in an accident a baby does have some sort of a chance of survival but on a bicycle in an accident with a motor vehicle how the hell does a little one stand a chance?
No imo they should be banned on bikes and children only allowed to accompany their parents on a bike in a seat (or similar) when over the age of 5/6 and must wear a safety hat too.
I think what makes me laugh about all this is that we have different protocols for health and safety at work -and the red tape can be a pain in the ass sometimes -as jobs/locations have to be risk assessed but yet at the same time we can treat our own children ( who are individuals in their own right) with contempt and place them in situations that even the most accommodating health and safety officers would cringe at!
Caz
WeeBrown
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If the husband is helping her on the horse he is obviously free to babysit - she must therefore enjoy riding with her baby. It's not something I would do, very reckless, you'd think she'd want a break from the kid!
Serephin
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leave the poor woman alone!
I must admit to finding all these shouts of ring social services, get the police quite scary - have we turned into a nation of snitches and grasses?
There is a couple up my yard who have a huge horse and they have always had the baby around it, and now it is a toddler he wanders next to this big old horse, with the parent, I might add and we look and see that at any moment something could go horribly wrong and the toddler would be squished. But its not anyone's place to go calling social services! If an unfortunate accident occurs then its not good, but you can't go around dictating to people what they can and can't do.
Its not illegal what she is doing, or what the people up my yard is doing - its personal choice - if their child ends up squished in the process, then that is a consequence they have to live with! Harsh but true. There will always be people who do stupid things and sometimes there are consequences - common sense goes a long way - we wax lyrical about the days as kids we used to ride with no hats or saddles and bomb about on ponies, and bemoan the fact that riding schools are closing down because of over the top paranoid health and safety, and yet in the same breath screech for social services when a woman is going about her business with her child.
you can't have it both ways
I must admit to finding all these shouts of ring social services, get the police quite scary - have we turned into a nation of snitches and grasses?
There is a couple up my yard who have a huge horse and they have always had the baby around it, and now it is a toddler he wanders next to this big old horse, with the parent, I might add and we look and see that at any moment something could go horribly wrong and the toddler would be squished. But its not anyone's place to go calling social services! If an unfortunate accident occurs then its not good, but you can't go around dictating to people what they can and can't do.
Its not illegal what she is doing, or what the people up my yard is doing - its personal choice - if their child ends up squished in the process, then that is a consequence they have to live with! Harsh but true. There will always be people who do stupid things and sometimes there are consequences - common sense goes a long way - we wax lyrical about the days as kids we used to ride with no hats or saddles and bomb about on ponies, and bemoan the fact that riding schools are closing down because of over the top paranoid health and safety, and yet in the same breath screech for social services when a woman is going about her business with her child.
you can't have it both ways
Ottinmeg
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How does throwing a horse out in the rain with no rug compare to what this woman is doing ? a bit of rain won't kill an unrugged horse. A fall off a horse however will do a grown adult some damage never mind a year old baby with no riding hat on.
It would be like someone phoning the bloody RSPCA because you have put your horse out without a rug on and its raining or something
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How does throwing a horse out in the rain with no rug compare to what this woman is doing ? a bit of rain won't kill an unrugged horse. A fall off a horse however will do a grown adult some damage never mind a year old baby with no riding hat on.
Silverspring
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Thank you Hippyned I couldn't have put it better myself!
Tia
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I agree with you HippyNed. It's like a meeting of fish wives on here at times.
I used to ride when I was pregnant - same thing? Difference; my baby had no chance of falling out.
I wouldn't ride with a baby in a pouch, but that is my choice. I weigh up risks and that risk would be too great, however I am guessing this lady has weighed up the risks too and came to a different conclusion; well that is her prerogative and if something dreadful happens to the baby then that is sad; but it isn't our place to dictate what others do.
I used to ride when I was pregnant - same thing? Difference; my baby had no chance of falling out.
I wouldn't ride with a baby in a pouch, but that is my choice. I weigh up risks and that risk would be too great, however I am guessing this lady has weighed up the risks too and came to a different conclusion; well that is her prerogative and if something dreadful happens to the baby then that is sad; but it isn't our place to dictate what others do.
DipseyDeb
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I'm with you, it's her baby and it's her choice.
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No she chose to be a mum, when you make that choice, you have the responsibility to do what ever you can to protect your child NOT put it in danger
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I'm with you, it's her baby and it's her choice.
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No she chose to be a mum, when you make that choice, you have the responsibility to do what ever you can to protect your child NOT put it in danger
MooMoo
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But if it did then they'd be looking for sympathy!! Poor woman my butt - poor child! If someone wants to be make a decision regarding their own safety then thats up to them but not for a child.
I respect your opinion here and agree about the riding school thing (there's common sense and then there's being over the top!).
Just because its her child doesnt make it right!
I'm guessing the child isnt wearing a hat which IS illegal. And for the people wondering about the movement affecting the baby i believe its "shaken baby sydrome" or something like that. Innocent people have been sent to prison for it.
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But if it did then they'd be looking for sympathy!! Poor woman my butt - poor child! If someone wants to be make a decision regarding their own safety then thats up to them but not for a child.
I respect your opinion here and agree about the riding school thing (there's common sense and then there's being over the top!).
Just because its her child doesnt make it right!
I'm guessing the child isnt wearing a hat which IS illegal. And for the people wondering about the movement affecting the baby i believe its "shaken baby sydrome" or something like that. Innocent people have been sent to prison for it.
Serephin
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well, look on the bright side, they could be a strong contender for the next Darwin Awards.........
skewbaldpony
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My children have been around horses since they were babies, and ridden, in baby saddles WITH HATS ON on a leading rein, since they could sit up.
That is NOT the same as putting a baby in a sling and cantering. The shaking could cause brain damage.
As a pp said, in times past and other cultures, maybe mothers have to travel by horse with babies, but not strapped on the front at a canter, unless running from a worse evil!
And in the 40s and 50s, I don't believe for a minute that leisure riders did this. In that era, babies up to and beyond 12 months were snuggly wrapped up in a pram between feeds,not being as overstimulated as the current model, and you could probably exercise quite nicely while baby slept.
Have we turned into a nation of 'snitches' ? This isn't a soap opera, sweetie, this is a kid's life. And that's child abuse.
My children have been around horses since they were babies, and ridden, in baby saddles WITH HATS ON on a leading rein, since they could sit up.
That is NOT the same as putting a baby in a sling and cantering. The shaking could cause brain damage.
As a pp said, in times past and other cultures, maybe mothers have to travel by horse with babies, but not strapped on the front at a canter, unless running from a worse evil!
And in the 40s and 50s, I don't believe for a minute that leisure riders did this. In that era, babies up to and beyond 12 months were snuggly wrapped up in a pram between feeds,not being as overstimulated as the current model, and you could probably exercise quite nicely while baby slept.
Have we turned into a nation of 'snitches' ? This isn't a soap opera, sweetie, this is a kid's life. And that's child abuse.
Silverspring
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I don't believe in wrapping children up in cotton wool and leaving them to fatten into computer geek teenagers.
As said before accidents do happen, children get hurt in all sorts of ways. This woman has made her own judgement on the risk of riding with her child and decided it wasn't a big enough risk to warrant not doing it.
Parents all over the world make judgement calls on a daily basis on what risks they will or won't put their children in, so long as it's within the law then she is free to choose what she wants to do with her own child.
I really don't think it's fair that people on this forum are annihalating this woman and her husband because she chose to do soemthing some people on here don't agree with.
As said before accidents do happen, children get hurt in all sorts of ways. This woman has made her own judgement on the risk of riding with her child and decided it wasn't a big enough risk to warrant not doing it.
Parents all over the world make judgement calls on a daily basis on what risks they will or won't put their children in, so long as it's within the law then she is free to choose what she wants to do with her own child.
I really don't think it's fair that people on this forum are annihalating this woman and her husband because she chose to do soemthing some people on here don't agree with.
Serephin
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Have we turned into a nation of 'snitches' ? This isn't a soap opera, sweetie, this is a kid's life. And that's child abuse.
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not your child or mine though is it? and therefore none of our goddamn business, sweetie.
she has made the decision to do what she is doing - doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, it just is.
Maybe you would be happier is her baby was taken away from her and placed in care? Or if she was publicly flogged for being a moron? If moron flogging was the case I would hazard a guess that the queue for the stocks would make it twice round the earth.
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not your child or mine though is it? and therefore none of our goddamn business, sweetie.
she has made the decision to do what she is doing - doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, it just is.
Maybe you would be happier is her baby was taken away from her and placed in care? Or if she was publicly flogged for being a moron? If moron flogging was the case I would hazard a guess that the queue for the stocks would make it twice round the earth.
MooMoo
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well, look on the bright side, they could be a strong contender for the next Darwin Awards.........
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ooooo....that's dark....
well, look on the bright side, they could be a strong contender for the next Darwin Awards.........
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ooooo....that's dark....
Serephin
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ooooo....that's dark....
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thanks, I try my best
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ooooo....that's dark....
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thanks, I try my best
skewbaldpony
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not your child or mine though is it? and therefore none of our goddamn business, sweetie.
she has made the decision to do what she is doing - doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, it just is.
Maybe you would be happier is her baby was taken away from her and placed in care? Or if she was publicly flogged for being a moron? If moron flogging was the case I would hazard a guess that the queue for the stocks would make it twice round the earth.
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Victoria Climbie wasn't yours or mine, either was she?
But people caused her death by their malevolence and or stupidity.
But hey, they were black and lived in a city, so obviously someone should do something about that. Smart white lady on horse? Just a personal choice.
Yeh, right.
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not your child or mine though is it? and therefore none of our goddamn business, sweetie.
she has made the decision to do what she is doing - doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong, it just is.
Maybe you would be happier is her baby was taken away from her and placed in care? Or if she was publicly flogged for being a moron? If moron flogging was the case I would hazard a guess that the queue for the stocks would make it twice round the earth.
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Victoria Climbie wasn't yours or mine, either was she?
But people caused her death by their malevolence and or stupidity.
But hey, they were black and lived in a city, so obviously someone should do something about that. Smart white lady on horse? Just a personal choice.
Yeh, right.